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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Question for ssm supporters? Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?
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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #1 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #2 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:44pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

Niqab and burqa are the same except the latter also covers the eyes. They're both symbols of female oppression.

But thanks for confirming my point. It's not the principle that matters but whether or not you agree with the policy.

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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #3 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:46pm

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

Niqab and burqa are the same except the latter also covers the eyes. They're both symbols of female oppression.

But thanks for confirming my point. It's not the principle that matters but whether or not you agree with the policy.

So they aren't the same. But my actual response is that allowing SSM (whilst legislating for religious protections) doesnt discriminate against anyone, but banning the burqa/niqab does.

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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #4 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:51pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

Niqab and burqa are the same except the latter also covers the eyes. They're both symbols of female oppression.

But thanks for confirming my point. It's not the principle that matters but whether or not you agree with the policy.

So they aren't the same. But my actual response is that allowing SSM (whilst legislating for religious protections) doesnt discriminate against anyone, but banning the burqa/niqab does.

where is the discrimination bojack?

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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #5 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:53pm

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

Niqab and burqa are the same except the latter also covers the eyes. They're both symbols of female oppression.

But thanks for confirming my point. It's not the principle that matters but whether or not you agree with the policy.

So they aren't the same. But my actual response is that allowing SSM (whilst legislating for religious protections) doesnt discriminate against anyone, but banning the burqa/niqab does.

where is the discrimination bojack?

Umm, ok, so can we ban the nuns habit? Since thats apparently not discriminatory either. How about crappy suits worn by Jehovahs witness.

I really dont believe you asked that question.

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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #6 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:56pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

Niqab and burqa are the same except the latter also covers the eyes. They're both symbols of female oppression.

But thanks for confirming my point. It's not the principle that matters but whether or not you agree with the policy.

So they aren't the same. But my actual response is that allowing SSM (whilst legislating for religious protections) doesnt discriminate against anyone, but banning the burqa/niqab does.

Like I said, no they are not. But the difference is very minimal and the similarity very maximal.

That's not my point, by the way. I disagree with you on that and am happy to have that debate but my point is why legislate one thing just because the public agrees with it and not another when the public also agrees with that?

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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #7 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:57pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

Niqab and burqa are the same except the latter also covers the eyes. They're both symbols of female oppression.

But thanks for confirming my point. It's not the principle that matters but whether or not you agree with the policy.

So they aren't the same. But my actual response is that allowing SSM (whilst legislating for religious protections) doesnt discriminate against anyone, but banning the burqa/niqab does.

where is the discrimination bojack?

Umm, ok, so can we ban the nuns habit? Since thats apparently not discriminatory either. How about crappy suits worn by Jehovahs witness.

I really dont believe you asked that question.

No, they shouldn't be banned, nor should the hijab.

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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #8 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:58pm

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:56pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

Niqab and burqa are the same except the latter also covers the eyes. They're both symbols of female oppression.

But thanks for confirming my point. It's not the principle that matters but whether or not you agree with the policy.

So they aren't the same. But my actual response is that allowing SSM (whilst legislating for religious protections) doesnt discriminate against anyone, but banning the burqa/niqab does.

Like I said, no they are not. But the difference is very minimal and the similarity very maximal.

That's not my point, by the way. I disagree with you on that and am happy to have that debate but my point is why legislate one thing just because the public agrees with it and not another when the public also agrees with that?

Well because I dispute your statement of the difference being very minimal. Again, you havent explained why its not discriminatory to ban the burqa. You are impacting on religious practice. Same sex marriage is not, since its not banning church heterosexual marraige.

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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #9 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:58pm

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

Niqab and burqa are the same except the latter also covers the eyes. They're both symbols of female oppression.

But thanks for confirming my point. It's not the principle that matters but whether or not you agree with the policy.

So they aren't the same. But my actual response is that allowing SSM (whilst legislating for religious protections) doesnt discriminate against anyone, but banning the burqa/niqab does.

where is the discrimination bojack?

Umm, ok, so can we ban the nuns habit? Since thats apparently not discriminatory either. How about crappy suits worn by Jehovahs witness.

I really dont believe you asked that question.

No, they shouldn't be banned, nor should the hijab.

So why should the burqa be banned?

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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #10 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 4:01pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

Niqab and burqa are the same except the latter also covers the eyes. They're both symbols of female oppression.

But thanks for confirming my point. It's not the principle that matters but whether or not you agree with the policy.

So they aren't the same. But my actual response is that allowing SSM (whilst legislating for religious protections) doesnt discriminate against anyone, but banning the burqa/niqab does.

where is the discrimination bojack?

Umm, ok, so can we ban the nuns habit? Since thats apparently not discriminatory either. How about crappy suits worn by Jehovahs witness.

I really dont believe you asked that question.

really we are talking about FACE COVERING are we not..

when was the last time you saw a nun with her face covered..or a witness with his face covered ?????

or dont you see the difference in them either pet? Angry

I can believe you gave that reply to be honest...

but it is what this has come down too...the Burqa does not belong in this country..... anymore than walking around with a ski mask on does ......it has neither religious nor cultural affiliations

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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #11 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 4:02pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

Niqab and burqa are the same except the latter also covers the eyes. They're both symbols of female oppression.

But thanks for confirming my point. It's not the principle that matters but whether or not you agree with the policy.

So they aren't the same. But my actual response is that allowing SSM (whilst legislating for religious protections) doesnt discriminate against anyone, but banning the burqa/niqab does.

where is the discrimination bojack?

Umm, ok, so can we ban the nuns habit? Since thats apparently not discriminatory either. How about crappy suits worn by Jehovahs witness.

I really dont believe you asked that question.

No, they shouldn't be banned, nor should the hijab.

So why should the burqa be banned?

BECAUSE IT COVERS THE WHOLE FACE.......BECAUSE SOME HAVE REFUSED TO REMOVE IT WHEN THE POLICE HAVE REQUESTED THEM TOO...ALL SORTS OF REASONS ACTUALLY....

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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #12 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 4:07pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:56pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

Niqab and burqa are the same except the latter also covers the eyes. They're both symbols of female oppression.

But thanks for confirming my point. It's not the principle that matters but whether or not you agree with the policy.

So they aren't the same. But my actual response is that allowing SSM (whilst legislating for religious protections) doesnt discriminate against anyone, but banning the burqa/niqab does.

Like I said, no they are not. But the difference is very minimal and the similarity very maximal.

That's not my point, by the way. I disagree with you on that and am happy to have that debate but my point is why legislate one thing just because the public agrees with it and not another when the public also agrees with that?

Well because I dispute your statement of the difference being very minimal. Again, you havent explained why its not discriminatory to ban the burqa. You are impacting on religious practice. Same sex marriage is not, since its not banning church heterosexual marraige.

Once again, I am going to attempt to explain the point to you. That is not the issue here. As a democracy, you lot say that the parliament should pass legislation on something (with which you agree) because polls show that most people support it. However when it is the identical case but for something with which you don't agree, you don't support it. Why the double standard?

Happy to address the other points but not until you address that, as that is the point of this topic.

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Re: Question for ssm supporters?
Reply #13 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 4:09pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

You say that because the polls show that most people support ssm, then the parliament should just vote on it. Well, by the same logic, most people support a ban on the burqa so the parliament should just vote for that too, right?

Not really, cause by saying burqa ban, they havent even defined the problem. Its actually a niqab.

Niqab and burqa are the same except the latter also covers the eyes. They're both symbols of female oppression.

But thanks for confirming my point. It's not the principle that matters but whether or not you agree with the policy.

So they aren't the same. But my actual response is that allowing SSM (whilst legislating for religious protections) doesnt discriminate against anyone, but banning the burqa/niqab does.

where is the discrimination bojack?

Umm, ok, so can we ban the nuns habit? Since thats apparently not discriminatory either. How about crappy suits worn by Jehovahs witness.

I really dont believe you asked that question.

No, they shouldn't be banned, nor should the hijab.

So why should the burqa be banned?

cods just explained it well.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136837 Gender:	Re: Question for ssm supporters? Reply #14 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 4:09pm cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 4:02pm: BECAUSE IT COVERS THE WHOLE FACE........... So does this: And this:
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