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Reply #15 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:31am

Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:28am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:19am:

Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:02am:

Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:59am:

I generally agree, though I can't help thinking that many people would do a bit more "honouring" if police did a lot less revenue-raising

That statement always puzzles me.

What's wrong with police having revenue?

Indeed, and want to cut down on the revenue raising? Don't speed.

Sure - that 3 km/h over the limit on a freeway is so dangerous, isn't it.

The great Australian nanny-state strikes again

Not my point. I agree, but those are the rules. But then on the other hand, what will the 3 km/h save you on your typical trip?

It's not that people are trying to save time - the problem is that cars and traffic speeds up and slows down all the time. Pinging people for not noticing a few mm of movement on their speedo is ridiculous.

And if those are "the rules" then I would expect police to follow them 100% or be fined equally to the rest of us.

Stll I've never found it to be all that difficult making sure the needle didnt go above a certain limit. Not sure why its hard for anyone else.

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Reply #17 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:33am

Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:22am:

3km/h? Really?

And, besides, if you don't want to contribute to the revenue, don't speed. Simples!

They're called speed 'limits' for a reason, you know.

Actually in Vic it's 2km/h http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorias-traffic-speed-tolerance-leve...

Well, don't go over the limit.

What could be simpler?

Drive AT or BELOW the limit.

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Reply #18 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:35am

Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:22am:

3km/h? Really?

And, besides, if you don't want to contribute to the revenue, don't speed. Simples!

They're called speed 'limits' for a reason, you know.

Actually in Vic it's 2km/h http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorias-traffic-speed-tolerance-leve...

"A report by the Monash University accident research centre warned in 2005 there was a danger people would view speed cameras as revenue raisers if the enforcement threshold was lowered, if the hours of speed camera operation were extended and fines raised - Victoria has implemented all three of those."

And the problem is ... ?

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Reply #19 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:43am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:33am:

Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:22am:

3km/h? Really?

And, besides, if you don't want to contribute to the revenue, don't speed. Simples!

They're called speed 'limits' for a reason, you know.

Actually in Vic it's 2km/h http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorias-traffic-speed-tolerance-leve...

Well, don't go over the limit.

What could be simpler?

Drive AT or BELOW the limit.

So if we're going for that kind of insane zero-tolerance regime, then let's have it for everyone. Starting with the Highway Patrol.

Camera in the car, fine them for each and every occurrence unless they're responding to a legitimate emergency.

Then we can move on to all the other non-speed related items and start increasing enforcement too.

Grandmas 5km/h "rolling stop" - fine! Overstay parking by 2 minutes - fine! Jay-walking will be a bonanza - all those people stepping off the curb a few second after the red light starts flashing = $$$.

And given the experience on my ride to work most days - I can guess that the "leave 1m gap when passing a cyclist" one will be a hoot.

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Reply #20 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:45am

Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:33am:

Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:22am:

3km/h? Really?

And, besides, if you don't want to contribute to the revenue, don't speed. Simples!

They're called speed 'limits' for a reason, you know.

Actually in Vic it's 2km/h http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorias-traffic-speed-tolerance-leve...

Well, don't go over the limit.

What could be simpler?

Drive AT or BELOW the limit.

So if we're going for that kind of insane zero-tolerance regime ...

It's not zero-tolerance.

It's a 2km/h tolerance.

And, what's wrong with the police having revenue?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135722 Gender:	Re: Honour your police force Reply #21 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:51am Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:43am: Overstay parking by 2 minutes - fine! Parking isn't dangerous, nor is it a police matter.
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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9108 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: Honour your police force Reply #22 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:07pm Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: Honour your police force Reply #23 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:09pm Last weekend I saw a female officer driving a police 4WD through an area busy with pedestrians and intersections while talking on a mobile phone.
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Reply #24 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:10pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:19am:

Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:02am:

Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:59am:

I generally agree, though I can't help thinking that many people would do a bit more "honouring" if police did a lot less revenue-raising

That statement always puzzles me.

What's wrong with police having revenue?

Indeed, and want to cut down on the revenue raising? Don't speed.

Sure - that 3 km/h over the limit on a freeway is so dangerous, isn't it.

The great Australian nanny-state strikes again

Not my point. I agree, but those are the rules. But then on the other hand, what will the 3 km/h save you on your typical trip?

You may not even realise you're 3 kph over .... not all speedometers are digital.

Zero tolerance by Police using machines that require constant calibration is wrong.

It does nothing to prevent road deaths & accidents.

It's just to boost revenue.

My SIL is a copper & I appreciate the tough job they have today.

It's just bureaucrats who want to drive the force like a target seeking business that damages Police public persona.

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Reply #25 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:45am:

Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:33am:

Stig wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 11:22am:

3km/h? Really?

And, besides, if you don't want to contribute to the revenue, don't speed. Simples!

They're called speed 'limits' for a reason, you know.

Actually in Vic it's 2km/h http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorias-traffic-speed-tolerance-leve...

Well, don't go over the limit.

What could be simpler?

Drive AT or BELOW the limit.

So if we're going for that kind of insane zero-tolerance regime ...

It's not zero-tolerance.

It's a 2km/h tolerance.

And, what's wrong with the police having revenue?

They aren't a money making business that's why.

I can assure the system in Victoria is Zero tolerance.

The Police plus the fixed tollway cameras can have your license in one trip.

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Reply #27 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:14pm

One of my best friends is a cop. I was profoundly against him signing up and fought him every step of the way, so tainted were my opinions of cops.

Anyway, through him i met loads of them socially. Got to know them. Listened while they told me about being the first to arrive at the scene where a teenager was hanging from a tree and his parents were screaming. Telling people their loved ones are dead. Telling paernts their kids are in intensive care.

Dealing with murder, assault, abuse .. people in often the worst states people can be in.

I found a tremendous respect for them. For my friend.

And i'm not frightened of cops anymore.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135722 Gender:	Re: Honour your police force Reply #28 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:16pm Gnads wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:14pm: I can assure the system in Victoria is Zero tolerance. No. The tolerance is 2 km/h. This has already been established.
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Reply #29 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:17pm

mothra wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

One of my best friends is a cop. I was profoundly against him signing up and fought him every step of the way, so tainted were my opinions of cops.

Anyway, through him i met loads of them socially. Got to know them. Listened while they told me about being the first to arrive at the scene where a teenager was hanging from a tree and his parents were screaming. Telling people their loved ones are dead. Telling paernts their kids are in intensive care.

Dealing with murder, assault, abuse .. people in often the worst states people can be in.

I found a tremendous respect for them. For my friend.

And i'm not frightened of cops anymore.

You see? That's how we do it, Mother.

Meet people, talk to them, hear them.

We could all learn from your experience, I'm sure.

Ban them.

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