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Reply #45 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:34pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

One of my best friends is a cop. I was profoundly against him signing up and fought him every step of the way, so tainted were my opinions of cops.

Anyway, through him i met loads of them socially. Got to know them. Listened while they told me about being the first to arrive at the scene where a teenager was hanging from a tree and his parents were screaming. Telling people their loved ones are dead. Telling paernts their kids are in intensive care.

Dealing with murder, assault, abuse .. people in often the worst states people can be in.

I found a tremendous respect for them. For my friend.

And i'm not frightened of cops anymore.

You see? That's how we do it, Mother.

Meet people, talk to them, hear them.

We could all learn from your experience, I'm sure.

Ban them.

All well and good until they beat you or one of yours and put them in hospital and then in prison for 'assaulting police'. Don't laugh - it is THE most common way for a cop on the downhill slide to get out with pension rights for life to repeatedly claim 'stress' from 'being assaulted'.

That and current propaganda campaigns and television etc have a lot to answer for, though fortunately the NSW fuzz are employing people with more nous and integrity these days - generally, but not always.

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Re: Honour your police force
Reply #46 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:52pm:

Laws?

Traffic regulations that get changed often.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

If you don't know the current traffic rules, please remove yourself from the road.

No speed limit sign - the limit is 50.

A 60 speed limit sign - the limit is 60.

A red light - stop.

How is any of this difficult?

That's a feeble excuse to impose a petty tyranny.... self-serving and ridiculous in the context that any despotic government could 'create' a 'law' and impose it without warning. Law itself must be governed by reason and by the Rule of Law before it can become Law - otherwise it is merely legislation and law (as practiced in error). The Rule of Law is essentially a Magna Carta for law-making - breach Law in formulating law and your law is unlawful.

Get with the program, Peccary.

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Reply #47 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Fines issued from the Police are supposed to be as punishment for individuals committing traffic violations.

And they are.

They also raise revenue.

"All revenue (net of cancellations) collected from road safety cameras goes back into road safety infrastructure.

"Cameras reduce speed and consequently reduce crashes and the severity of consequences arising from crashes.

"The revenue received from cameras is a fraction of the overall cost of speed-related crashes.

"Fines issued from road safety cameras amounted to around $234.9 million* for the 2010–11 financial year.

"The monetary cost of road trauma in Victoria is estimated to be more than $2.9 billion per year, the equivalent of about $1,400 per household.

"Cameras are not located where the most revenue will be generated, but where there is a clear road safety benefit based on crash history, or where the police think crashes will occur due to observed driving behaviour and other intelligence gathered."

And, if you think all of this is bullshit, and that you know more about road safety than all the researchers and experts in the field, then try this little trick: don't break the law.

I've been doing it for many years now, with a 100% success rate.

PROPAGANDA.

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Reply #48 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:47pm

mothra wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Listened while they told me about being the first to arrive at the scene where a teenager was hanging from a tree and his parents were screaming. Telling people their loved ones are dead. Telling paernts their kids are in intensive care.

They get paid to do it and most pigs are sociopaths anyway so it wouldn't even bother them.

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Reply #49 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:47pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:52pm:

Laws?

Traffic regulations that get changed often.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

If you don't know the current traffic rules, please remove yourself from the road.

No speed limit sign - the limit is 50.

A 60 speed limit sign - the limit is 60.

A red light - stop.

How is any of this difficult?

That's a feeble excuse ...

Saying, "Sorry officer, I don't know what the speed limit is here" is a feeble excuse.

If you're not familiar with traffic regulations, and you struggle to keep your vehicle within the speed limit, remove yourself from the road.

That will make things safer for everybody.

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Re: Honour your police force
Reply #50 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:48pm

Dr Mengele wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Listened while they told me about being the first to arrive at the scene where a teenager was hanging from a tree and his parents were screaming. Telling people their loved ones are dead. Telling paernts their kids are in intensive care.

They get paid to do it and most pigs are sociopaths anyway so it wouldn't even bother them.

But what about police? Are they sociopaths?

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Reply #51 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:48pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Fines issued from the Police are supposed to be as punishment for individuals committing traffic violations.

And they are.

They also raise revenue.

"All revenue (net of cancellations) collected from road safety cameras goes back into road safety infrastructure.

"Cameras reduce speed and consequently reduce crashes and the severity of consequences arising from crashes.

"The revenue received from cameras is a fraction of the overall cost of speed-related crashes.

"Fines issued from road safety cameras amounted to around $234.9 million* for the 2010–11 financial year.

"The monetary cost of road trauma in Victoria is estimated to be more than $2.9 billion per year, the equivalent of about $1,400 per household.

"Cameras are not located where the most revenue will be generated, but where there is a clear road safety benefit based on crash history, or where the police think crashes will occur due to observed driving behaviour and other intelligence gathered."

And, if you think all of this is bullshit, and that you know more about road safety than all the researchers and experts in the field, then try this little trick: don't break the law.

I've been doing it for many years now, with a 100% success rate.

PROPAGANDA.

"And, if you think all of this is bullshit, and that you know more about road safety than all the researchers and experts in the field, then try this little trick: don't break the law."

If you honestly believe that the money is being used to buy blow & hookers, and that upsets you, there's a simple solution: don't contribute to the fund.

This is done by ... waaaaiiiiit for it ... not breaking the law.

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Reply #52 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:04pm

If the speed LIMIT in this country is 110kph then why are vehicle manufacturers allowed to supply vehicles that can do well in excess of double our national speed limit? That in itself is a joke.
In one voice they say speed kills. Well why are cars so bloody fast then???

2kph. Half the pace of walking. That's a joke. These cars now will roll on 2kph with a slight deviation in the road. Now wonder people crash, they're not watching the road when they're constantly looking down at the speedo, and the phone, and the ipod, and eating......

300 signs in a kilomteter stretch of road is also distracting (that's an exaggerated number for all those unable to understand sarc, but you get what I mean). Your supposed to read every one of them whille checking your speed etc etc.

It is revenue, pure and simple. The state police is a massive buisiness.
Speed camera at the bottom of a hill....revenue.
Booking someone for 2kph over is just insane. That is revenue. 10kph, sure but 2 is just stupid and the speed on most roads is reduced considerably to start with.

Police are only as good as the person wearing the badge.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135722 Gender:	Re: Honour your police force Reply #53 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:10pm Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:04pm: Booking someone for 2kph over is just insane. Do you have any stats on how many people are booked for doing 2 km/h over the speed limit?
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Re: Honour your police force
Reply #54 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:13pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:48pm:

Dr Mengele wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Listened while they told me about being the first to arrive at the scene where a teenager was hanging from a tree and his parents were screaming. Telling people their loved ones are dead. Telling paernts their kids are in intensive care.

They get paid to do it and most pigs are sociopaths anyway so it wouldn't even bother them.

But what about police? Are they sociopaths?

Some are........ for nearly two hundred years police here in Oz have had a free run with little or no constraint by Law... and you know what that kind of power does to people... like politicians they lose perspective and use their position to bully rather than properly enforce law.

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Reply #56 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:41pm

I see so few marked cop cars on Sydney streets these days so most infringements are camera detected. The fixed cameras and even the mobile units which are operated by a contract company have a warning sign 50m before them.

If you get a speeding ticket in Sydney, you deserve it more for being so bloody unaware of your surroundings rather than just speeding.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135722 Gender:	Re: Honour your police force Reply #57 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:43pm Aussie wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:33pm: Mr Peccarry, what sort of car you drive normally? A 6 cylinder sedan.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38463 Gender:	Re: Honour your police force Reply #58 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:44pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:43pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:33pm: Mr Peccarry, what sort of car you drive normally? A 6 cylinder sedan. Year?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135722 Gender:	Re: Honour your police force Reply #59 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:45pm Aussie wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:44pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:43pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:33pm: Mr Peccarry, what sort of car you drive normally? A 6 cylinder sedan. Year? 2014
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