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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #225 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 10:11am

Auggie wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 9:56am:

Please don't bring your "why did you ban me, it so unfair" greivances here.

Why not, Gandalf?

FD has criticized Muslims for protesting and rioting when a cartoon of Muhammad is drawn, yet he does the same thing when he is criticized.

Don't you think that this is hypocritical?

I've never actually seen that, Augie. FD is usually pretty tolerant with criticism. He tries arguing rather than banning.

The recent cull is the result of complaints. People moan to the moderators about how offended they are. FD bans them based on that.

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #226 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 10:18am

Karnal wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 10:11am:

Auggie wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 9:56am:

Please don't bring your "why did you ban me, it so unfair" greivances here.

Why not, Gandalf?

FD has criticized Muslims for protesting and rioting when a cartoon of Muhammad is drawn, yet he does the same thing when he is criticized.

Don't you think that this is hypocritical?

I've never actually seen that, Augie. FD is usually pretty tolerant with criticism. He tries arguing rather than banning.

The recent cull is the result of complaints. People moan to the moderators about how offended they are. FD bans them based on that.

Well, the only person I criticised was FD, so it was him.

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #227 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 11:43am

Karnal wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 10:11am:

I've never actually seen that, Augie. FD is usually pretty tolerant with criticism. He tries arguing rather than banning.

The recent cull is the result of complaints. People moan to the moderators about how offended they are. FD bans them based on that.

Bullshit.

Persistent ad hominem trolling is what gets people banned here.

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #228 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 11:53am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 8:54am:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 7:48am:

How many converts did Muhammad recruit before he started slaughtering innocent people and robbing traders?

How many after?

Were you actually after specific numbers FD, or were you simply after a more general "Muhammad was evil mmmk" response?

Do you think its possible people converted to Islam because they were attracted by the better deal Islam rule provided compared to what they had under the previous rulers?

Or was it all just 'convert or die' and using "every political and military trick in the book"?

Muhammad slaughtered his way across the Arabian peninsula. It was pretty much convert or die. Muhammad had very few converts until he started robbing traders and murdering people. There was no 'deal', other than join me and share the spoils of war, or die.

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #229 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 12:12pm

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 11:53am:

Muhammad slaughtered his way across the Arabian peninsula.

As did FD, he slaughtered his way across cyberspace.

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 11:53am:

It was pretty much convert or die.

It was pretty much: don't criticise, or be banned.

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 11:53am:

Muhammad had very few converts until he started robbing traders and murdering people.

FD had very few supporters on OzPol until he started banning people for arbitrary reasons.

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 11:53am:

There was no 'deal', other than join me and share the spoils of war, or die.

There was no 'deal' other than do as I say and ban other people arbitrarily like me, or die (in cyberspace).

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #230 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 12:40pm

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 11:53am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 8:54am:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 7:48am:

How many converts did Muhammad recruit before he started slaughtering innocent people and robbing traders?

How many after?

Were you actually after specific numbers FD, or were you simply after a more general "Muhammad was evil mmmk" response?

Do you think its possible people converted to Islam because they were attracted by the better deal Islam rule provided compared to what they had under the previous rulers?

Or was it all just 'convert or die' and using "every political and military trick in the book"?

Muhammad slaughtered his way across the Arabian peninsula. It was pretty much convert or die. Muhammad had very few converts until he started robbing traders and murdering people. There was no 'deal', other than join me and share the spoils of war, or die.

Yes, we've all heard the meme a hundred times FD, you've done it to death. I really don't think we need to flog that dead horse again. However for something new, you did concede it was possible some people were better off when Islam took over, than they were before. Thats not convert or die. You did volunteer that - although most fleetingly, and you quickly tried to restore the conversation back to your favourite stereotypes. And I'd like to explore that a bit further. Specifically, do you acknowledge that if its possible some people had a better deal under Islam than they had under previous rulers, then its also possible that this gave them a positive view of Islam, and therefore made them want to convert? Or to put it another way, do you think your 'convert or die' explanation of Islam's expansion can be problematic when at the same time you acknowledge that Islam may have given people under its rule a better life than they had under the previous rulers?

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #231 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 12:52pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 11:43am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 10:11am:

I've never actually seen that, Augie. FD is usually pretty tolerant with criticism. He tries arguing rather than banning.

The recent cull is the result of complaints. People moan to the moderators about how offended they are. FD bans them based on that.

Bullshit.

Persistent ad hominem trolling is what gets people banned here.

That's strange. Didn't you file a complaint about Karnal posting flea remedies?

And then, didn't you start a thread about silly old Karnal's bowels?

So I'm curious. What did the Moderators do?

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #232 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 12:55pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 10:11am:

Auggie wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 9:56am:

Please don't bring your "why did you ban me, it so unfair" greivances here.

Why not, Gandalf?

FD has criticized Muslims for protesting and rioting when a cartoon of Muhammad is drawn, yet he does the same thing when he is criticized.

Don't you think that this is hypocritical?

I've never actually seen that, Augie. FD is usually pretty tolerant with criticism. He tries arguing rather than banning.

The recent cull is the result of complaints. People moan to the moderators about how offended they are. FD bans them based on that.

Well, now you’ve seen it, K.

I suggest you re evaluate your opinions of FD and incorporate them into your new arguments.

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #233 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 1:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 12:40pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 11:53am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 8:54am:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 7:48am:

How many converts did Muhammad recruit before he started slaughtering innocent people and robbing traders?

How many after?

Were you actually after specific numbers FD, or were you simply after a more general "Muhammad was evil mmmk" response?

Do you think its possible people converted to Islam because they were attracted by the better deal Islam rule provided compared to what they had under the previous rulers?

Or was it all just 'convert or die' and using "every political and military trick in the book"?

Muhammad slaughtered his way across the Arabian peninsula. It was pretty much convert or die. Muhammad had very few converts until he started robbing traders and murdering people. There was no 'deal', other than join me and share the spoils of war, or die.

Yes, we've all heard the meme a hundred times FD, you've done it to death. I really don't think we need to flog that dead horse again. However for something new, you did concede it was possible some people were better off when Islam took over, than they were before. Thats not convert or die. You did volunteer that - although most fleetingly, and you quickly tried to restore the conversation back to your favourite stereotypes. And I'd like to explore that a bit further. Specifically, do you acknowledge that if its possible some people had a better deal under Islam than they had under previous rulers, then its also possible that this gave them a positive view of Islam, and therefore made them want to convert? Or to put it another way, do you think your 'convert or die' explanation of Islam's expansion can be problematic when at the same time you acknowledge that Islam may have given people under its rule a better life than they had under the previous rulers?

Of course some people were better off - the ones doing the raping and pillaging. Their victims, not so much. Of course, it didn't take long before there was no-one left within a week's ride to rape and pillage. All there was were Muslims crapping on each other's plate, which they have been doing for 1400 years.

How many converts did Muhammad recruit before he started slaughtering innocent people and robbing traders?

How many after?

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #235 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 3:59pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 12:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 10:11am:

Auggie wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 9:56am:

Please don't bring your "why did you ban me, it so unfair" greivances here.

Why not, Gandalf?

FD has criticized Muslims for protesting and rioting when a cartoon of Muhammad is drawn, yet he does the same thing when he is criticized.

Don't you think that this is hypocritical?

I've never actually seen that, Augie. FD is usually pretty tolerant with criticism. He tries arguing rather than banning.

The recent cull is the result of complaints. People moan to the moderators about how offended they are. FD bans them based on that.

Well, now you’ve seen it, K.

I suggest you re evaluate your opinions of FD and incorporate them into your new arguments.

Yes, but don't we need an answer from FD first? For all we know you could have been banned for perfectly legitimate reasons.

Yes, you may have criticised FD, but how do we know you weren't a spineless apologist? A race traitor? A jellyfish?

Perhaps you could ask FD for a thorough explanation.

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #236 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 4:04pm

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 1:35pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 12:40pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 11:53am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 8:54am:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 7:48am:

How many converts did Muhammad recruit before he started slaughtering innocent people and robbing traders?

How many after?

Were you actually after specific numbers FD, or were you simply after a more general "Muhammad was evil mmmk" response?

Do you think its possible people converted to Islam because they were attracted by the better deal Islam rule provided compared to what they had under the previous rulers?

Or was it all just 'convert or die' and using "every political and military trick in the book"?

Muhammad slaughtered his way across the Arabian peninsula. It was pretty much convert or die. Muhammad had very few converts until he started robbing traders and murdering people. There was no 'deal', other than join me and share the spoils of war, or die.

Yes, we've all heard the meme a hundred times FD, you've done it to death. I really don't think we need to flog that dead horse again. However for something new, you did concede it was possible some people were better off when Islam took over, than they were before. Thats not convert or die. You did volunteer that - although most fleetingly, and you quickly tried to restore the conversation back to your favourite stereotypes. And I'd like to explore that a bit further. Specifically, do you acknowledge that if its possible some people had a better deal under Islam than they had under previous rulers, then its also possible that this gave them a positive view of Islam, and therefore made them want to convert? Or to put it another way, do you think your 'convert or die' explanation of Islam's expansion can be problematic when at the same time you acknowledge that Islam may have given people under its rule a better life than they had under the previous rulers?

Of course some people were better off - the ones doing the raping and pillaging. Their victims, not so much.

Sorry, isn't it racist to say that?

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #237 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 4:43pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 9:40am:

Since muslims are the perpetrators of ALL islamic attacks it is only right that they are the major victims as well.

The only constant here is islam, remove that and the problem goes away.

Now, now, going right to the nub of it in a plain-speaking manner will get you nowhere. You must be much, much more 'sophisticated' about this 'complex' issue, don't you know. Tsk, tsk, Roll Eyes

And you must speak Arabic and be a Muslim, needless to say.

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #238 - Jan 4^th, 2018 at 5:51pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2018 at 9:49am:

Frank wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 9:19pm:

Depends.

If they import their madness here and want them to buy into it on either side, then NO. If the Muslims are killed are assimilated Australians and killed for that reason, then yes.

Interesting. So since the mosque that was attacked killing 300+ worshippers was a suffi mosque (spiritual/anti-violence), you accept that these peace-loving, minding-their-own-business muslims were true victims that deserve to be mourned - yes?

If so, then I wonder why all the huffing and puffing and grandstanding when I posted it?

That you, a Sunni (a member of the sect that PERSECUTES the Sufis and Akhmadis and Shia and everyone else) is asking this question is the height of astonishing hypocrisy - and so it is to be expected from you since it is your daily stock in trade, Sunni Jim.i

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #239 - Jan 5^th, 2018 at 9:39am

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2018 at 1:35pm:

Of course some people were better off - the ones doing the raping and pillaging.

As you were FD. I though just maybe we could raise the level of debate beyond 5 year old memes, but apparently not.

Clearly when I gave the jews in Jerusalem example I meant that the jews were better off because they went raping and pillaging - not that they were granted their rights under Islam that were denied them under Christian rule. Clearly there was no possibility that Islamic rule improved anyone's life - outside granting them the joy of raping and pillaging.

Thanks FD, I admire your ability to debate history without actually having to think. There are no nuances in history, eveything is simple black and white memes. At least where Islam is concerned anyway.

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