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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #375 - Jan 18^th, 2018 at 4:25pm

Bertie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 3:46pm:

Muslims are oppressed. Invariably by other Muslims who are funded by, guess who? The US Government. Funny that. The US Government, despite all it's claims to be a "liberal democratic freedom loving" one invariably supports right-wing dictators, warlords, strongmen, etc. rather than the people. Roll Eyes

Was there ever any alternative to dictators, warlords, strongmen in any Muslim country?

When? Who?

Yes, there were. Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran is an example of a democratically elected Muslim nationalist Government. He was deposed by a coup, engineered by Washington and London and replaced with the Shah. We all know how well that's worked out, now don't we? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #376 - Jan 18^th, 2018 at 6:31pm

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Only if they subscribe to George W. Bush's simplistic belief of "If you're not wit' us yer ag'in us!"

However, more intelligent, less simplistic people would respond with "Mmm, perhaps we should see if his criticisms are valid." Automatic attack suggests what about the validity of their defence? Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #377 - Jan 18^th, 2018 at 8:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 4:25pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 3:46pm:

Muslims are oppressed. Invariably by other Muslims who are funded by, guess who? The US Government. Funny that. The US Government, despite all it's claims to be a "liberal democratic freedom loving" one invariably supports right-wing dictators, warlords, strongmen, etc. rather than the people. Roll Eyes

Was there ever any alternative to dictators, warlords, strongmen in any Muslim country?

When? Who?

Yes, there were. Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran is an example of a democratically elected Muslim nationalist Government. He was deposed by a coup, engineered by Washington and London and replaced with the Shah. We all know how well that's worked out, now don't we? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Great.

One guy, in office for 2 years, out of 50+ countries, 1.6 billion people and 1400 years of history. He illustrates my point beautifully. Or sadly.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97270	Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism Reply #378 - Jan 18^th, 2018 at 8:44pm Take him to McDonalds, leftards. It's child abuse if you don't.
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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #379 - Jan 18^th, 2018 at 8:45pm

Frank wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 8:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 4:25pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 3:46pm:

Muslims are oppressed. Invariably by other Muslims who are funded by, guess who? The US Government. Funny that. The US Government, despite all it's claims to be a "liberal democratic freedom loving" one invariably supports right-wing dictators, warlords, strongmen, etc. rather than the people. Roll Eyes

Was there ever any alternative to dictators, warlords, strongmen in any Muslim country?

When? Who?

Yes, there were. Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran is an example of a democratically elected Muslim nationalist Government. He was deposed by a coup, engineered by Washington and London and replaced with the Shah. We all know how well that's worked out, now don't we? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Great.

One guy, in office for 2 years, out of 50+ countries, 1.6 billion people and 1400 years of history. He illustrates my point beautifully. Or sadly.

Sadly.

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #380 - Jan 18^th, 2018 at 9:53pm

Frank wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 8:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 4:25pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 8:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 3:46pm:

Muslims are oppressed. Invariably by other Muslims who are funded by, guess who? The US Government. Funny that. The US Government, despite all it's claims to be a "liberal democratic freedom loving" one invariably supports right-wing dictators, warlords, strongmen, etc. rather than the people. Roll Eyes

Was there ever any alternative to dictators, warlords, strongmen in any Muslim country?

When? Who?

Yes, there were. Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran is an example of a democratically elected Muslim nationalist Government. He was deposed by a coup, engineered by Washington and London and replaced with the Shah. We all know how well that's worked out, now don't we? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Great.

One guy, in office for 2 years, out of 50+ countries, 1.6 billion people and 1400 years of history. He illustrates my point beautifully. Or sadly.

Oh, you desire more?

How about Liaquat Ali Khan, Pakistan. How about Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, Bangladesh. Begum Khaleda Ziam Bangladesh. Abdurrahman Wahid, Indonesia. Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Indonesia. There are others, Soren. Do I really need to list them, just for you because of your ignorance? Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #381 - Jan 29^th, 2018 at 10:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 4:21pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 7:58pm:

Can't the people you are NOT on side with in a conflict regard you as their enemy?
Yes they can and in your case, do. Why are you surprised?

Only if they subscribe to George W. Bush's simplistic belief of "If you're not wit' us yer ag'in us!"

However, more intelligent, less simplistic people would respond with "Mmm, perhaps we should see if his criticisms are valid." Automatic attack suggests what about the validity of their defence? Roll Eyes

In January 2018 your best argument is still centred on George W Bush?? You are seriously suck in a time warp with a lot of mud up around your ears.

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #382 - Jan 29^th, 2018 at 10:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 6:35pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 5:48pm:

It is not boring and pointless to ask anyone the question: 'whose side are you on'?

That wasn't the question I was asked, though, now was it? The assumption was that I was a Communist because I was critical of the US. That is clearly false, just as was your assumption that I am a Muslim is. Roll Eyes

So whose side are on you? - Western liberal democracy's side or on the orthodox, sharia observant Islam's side?

Or is this to stark a choice for you?

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16735 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism Reply #383 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 12:57am Sadly Brian's view is that if you are not a follower of Islam, you have no place criticising it. Unfortunately if you are a follower of Islam, you would not criticise it, therefore no criticism of Islam is allowed. Be at peace in your submission(Islam). Nameste(I bow to you).
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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #384 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 2:12pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 12:57am:

Sadly Brian's view is that if you are not a follower of Islam, you have no place criticising it. Unfortunately if you are a follower of Islam, you would not criticise it, therefore no criticism of Islam is allowed. Be at peace in your submission(Islam).

Nameste(I bow to you).

Nope. That is not my view at all. I am surprised Setanta at you erecting a strawman argument. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #385 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 2:13pm

Bertie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18^th, 2018 at 4:21pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 7:58pm:

Can't the people you are NOT on side with in a conflict regard you as their enemy?
Yes they can and in your case, do. Why are you surprised?

Only if they subscribe to George W. Bush's simplistic belief of "If you're not wit' us yer ag'in us!"

However, more intelligent, less simplistic people would respond with "Mmm, perhaps we should see if his criticisms are valid." Automatic attack suggests what about the validity of their defence? Roll Eyes

In January 2018 your best argument is still centred on George W Bush?? You are seriously suck in a time warp with a lot of mud up around your ears.

His comment exemplifies the view I am expressing, Agatha. Tsk, tsk, so tell me, why haven't your criticised your fellow Islamophobes for quoting Churchill's writings over a century ago? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #386 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 2:15pm

Bertie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2018 at 10:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 6:35pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 5:48pm:

It is not boring and pointless to ask anyone the question: 'whose side are you on'?

That wasn't the question I was asked, though, now was it? The assumption was that I was a Communist because I was critical of the US. That is clearly false, just as was your assumption that I am a Muslim is. Roll Eyes

So whose side are on you? - Western liberal democracy's side or on the orthodox, sharia observant Islam's side?

Or is this to stark a choice for you?

Why do you ask an obvious question with an obvious answer? To be rhetorical or just bloody stupid?

I don't believe in "sides". They render complex questions which invariably have complex answers simplistic, like the asker's mind. Get back to me with an intelligent question and I might deign to answer it. Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism
Reply #387 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 3:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 2:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 12:57am:

Sadly Brian's view is that if you are not a follower of Islam, you have no place criticising it. Unfortunately if you are a follower of Islam, you would not criticise it, therefore no criticism of Islam is allowed. Be at peace in your submission(Islam).

Nameste(I bow to you).

Nope. That is not my view at all. I am surprised Setanta at you erecting a strawman argument. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Is this still your view Brian?

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Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Why do you have no right or ability to criticise?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 2:15pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2018 at 10:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 6:35pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 5:48pm:

It is not boring and pointless to ask anyone the question: 'whose side are you on'?

That wasn't the question I was asked, though, now was it? The assumption was that I was a Communist because I was critical of the US. That is clearly false, just as was your assumption that I am a Muslim is. Roll Eyes

So whose side are on you? - Western liberal democracy's side or on the orthodox, sharia observant Islam's side?

Or is this to stark a choice for you?

Why do you ask an obvious question with an obvious answer? To be rhetorical or just bloody stupid?

I don't believe in "sides". They render complex questions which invariably have complex answers simplistic, like the asker's mind. Get back to me with an intelligent question and I might deign to answer it. Roll Eyes

So you are not on the side of liberal democracy because you choose to believe the "side" does not exist?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97270	Re: Muslims suffer the most from 'Islamic' terrorism Reply #388 - Jan 30^th, 2018 at 4:23pm FD, do you believe in the fundamental liberal principle of freedom of religion? That's a question.
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