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Reply #150 - Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 2:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:31am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:26am:

For 2% of the population 98% have to eat meat prepared to their religious beliefs.

Nobody has to eat meat.

In fact, avoiding the consumption of decaying animal carcasses is widely accepted as the healthier option.

Thank you Lisa Simpson. Now go have a lay down whilst you recharge your energy levels without the benefit of protein.

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Reply #152 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 11:50pm

Hoodwinked?

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During last Wednesday’s debate, Tory MPs repeatedly explained that the government already recognised animal sentience and that the amendment was flawed. Read it here in Hansard – Tory MP after Tory MP stood up and agreed that animals are sentient. No MPs argued against animal sentience. It is just not true to say, as the Indy did, that “The Tories have rejected all scientists and voted that animals don’t feel pain”. Anyone who has seen the Environment Secretary with his Bichon Frise Snowy, or indeed the hedgehog above, knows these viral articles are fake news. This made up story, circulated by the Tories’ opponents for solely cynical reasons, is cutting through to animal lovers who think they can trust things they believe on the Independent website. This morning Michael Gove categorically committed the government to animal sentience once and for all. He couldn’t be clearer:

“This government will ensure that any necessary changes required to UK law are made in a rigorous and comprehensive way to ensure animal sentience is recognised after we leave the EU.”

https://order-order.com/2017/11/23/viral-animal-sentience-fake-news-story-seen-b...

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Reply #153 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 12:44am

This Topic has based itself on the 'pain' felt by Animals and if they do or not (or course they do Roll Eyes

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But what about MENTAL pain?

One good example is Tilikum the Orca (Killer Dolphin)
Where the trainer would punish Tilikum by refusing to give him his Mackeral if he did something wrong (like not jump through hoops for her).
Then one day, the Trainer did something wrong (forgot to give him his Mackeral when he did something 'right'.

So he punished her!

Lept up and grabbed her by the ponytail while her back was turned and dragged her underwater and drowned her (wether he knew she would drown or not...?).

It's a good example of 'Mental' abuse or pain.

In a species that has a far more highly developed brain (ie: has more potential than the human brain) than our Human one. A brain, that - if we learned to communicate effectively with Orca, it might be our undoing and we will become 'their slaves' Tongue

So obviously Orca (and if you learn about the Eden Orca and how 'trust, bargain, betrayal, lies' come into it) - know the concept of lies, falsehood ...mental abuse.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #154 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 6:49am

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 12:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 12:22pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 11:56am:

I don't post here much anymore especially when a small group of delinquents are online but sometimes I look and think OMG how can anyone stand even being here??

That's actually a very good question. If the PA format was the same as it is here, I would be over there.

When you get used to it the format there is much much better!!

I'll make the jump soon. Roll Eyes

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Reply #155 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 7:32am

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 2:42pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 11:28am:

For 50,000 years the poor Abos never had salt to sprinkle on their food.

They could probably rub their kangaroo meat into Lake Eyre, if they were that concerned.

The salt merchants of the Sahara desert trekked for hundreds of miles over many centuries to bring their salt to the markets at Timbuctoo. It's an essential ingredient for enhancing the taste of a wide variety of foods.

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Reply #156 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 7:50am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:31am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:26am:

For 2% of the population 98% have to eat meat prepared to their religious beliefs.

Nobody has to eat meat.

In fact, avoiding the consumption of decaying animal carcasses is widely accepted as the healthier option.

Nearly all nutritionists, doctors and scientists recommend meat as part of a balanced diet. A diet has to be carefully managed without meat, often to include artificial supplements. Idiotic advice such as the above puts people's health at risk, particularly when women are pregnant and can't cope with the deficiencies. Who is going to think of the children? Not the animal libbers, that's for sure. They're too busy lying about dietary advice.

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Re: "Animals can't feel pain or emotion"
Reply #157 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 8:17am

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2017 at 7:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:31am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:26am:

For 2% of the population 98% have to eat meat prepared to their religious beliefs.

Nobody has to eat meat.

In fact, avoiding the consumption of decaying animal carcasses is widely accepted as the healthier option.

Nearly all nutritionists, doctors and scientists recommend meat as part of a balanced diet. A diet has to be carefully managed without meat, often to include artificial supplements. Idiotic advice such as the above puts people's health at risk, particularly when women are pregnant and can't cope with the deficiencies. Who is going to think of the children? Not the animal libbers, that's for sure. They're too busy lying about dietary advice.

Greg is a meat eater. He's just being Mothras little bumhole licking little sycophant.

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Reply #158 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 3:16pm

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2017 at 7:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:31am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:26am:

For 2% of the population 98% have to eat meat prepared to their religious beliefs.

Nobody has to eat meat.

In fact, avoiding the consumption of decaying animal carcasses is widely accepted as the healthier option.

Nearly all nutritionists, doctors and scientists recommend meat as part of a balanced diet. A diet has to be carefully managed without meat, often to include artificial supplements. Idiotic advice such as the above puts people's health at risk, particularly when women are pregnant and can't cope with the deficiencies. Who is going to think of the children? Not the animal libbers, that's for sure. They're too busy lying about dietary advice.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you.

Even for you, that is unresearched rubbish.

You're worse than usual, FD. Has something upset you?

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Reply #159 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 3:19pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 25^th, 2017 at 8:17am:

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2017 at 7:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:31am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:26am:

For 2% of the population 98% have to eat meat prepared to their religious beliefs.

Nobody has to eat meat.

In fact, avoiding the consumption of decaying animal carcasses is widely accepted as the healthier option.

Nearly all nutritionists, doctors and scientists recommend meat as part of a balanced diet. A diet has to be carefully managed without meat, often to include artificial supplements. Idiotic advice such as the above puts people's health at risk, particularly when women are pregnant and can't cope with the deficiencies. Who is going to think of the children? Not the animal libbers, that's for sure. They're too busy lying about dietary advice.

Greg is a meat eater. He's just being Mothras little bumhole licking little sycophant.

You still haven't answered why when you think of animals, you think of them being dead for you.

I think of all of the animal friends and acquaintances i've had over the years. And of the love between a mother and her young. And stuff like that.

As i said, it's akin to when you think about homosexuality, you think of anal sex. I think about love.

It's most telling.

Do you like that about yourself?

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Reply #161 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 10:56pm

AiA wrote on Nov 25^th, 2017 at 10:52pm:

This story is fake news. Has Mothra apologized yet?

Jesus you're a child.

Fake news? Apologies? Are you serious?

MPs did not really vote that animals cannot feel pain and suffering. Rather, they voted against the UK government having a duty to take this into account post-Brexit.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2154265-no-the-uk-didnt-vote-that-animals-c...

How fine do you like your hair split?

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: "Animals can't feel pain or emotion" Reply #162 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 11:29pm It is fake news, Mothra.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35293 Gender:	Re: "Animals can't feel pain or emotion" Reply #163 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 11:33pm I think it's hilarious that the only time you comment actually on-topic in this thread is to try and show me up by hysterically claiming something that is clearly just missed emphasis is "fake news".
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35293 Gender:	Re: "Animals can't feel pain or emotion" Reply #164 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 11:34pm But thank you for not going on about meat for a bit. Refreshing.
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