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Reply #90 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:14am
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:11am:
mothra wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:54am:
What does eating meat have to do with it being passed into law that animals don't feel pain or have emotion, Cods?

Do you think if we concede that animals are sentient, people would feel bad about eating them?

Do you not think animals are sentient?


Obviously you ignored what she wrote in her first couple of lines.

Its done to appease a certain group who treat animals very cruelly whilst handling them and even more so when slaughtering.

The UK export to those countries and have large internal populations of that group.



Ah of course. Blaming Muslims for laws passed in the UK.

Genius.
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Reply #91 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:16am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 12:03pm:
It seems so improbable that I'm wondering if this decision somehow sheets back to halal butchery with its throat-slitting.

Is this yet another concession to the Muslim foreigners who have been setting up camp in Britain as colonists from the Middle East over the past few decades?

Nothing else explains it.

Another exercise in vote-winning appeasement.



Its exactly what its about.

Internal and export market.

It happens to those sheep and cattle we "Live Export"
to certain countries.

but hey we all know there's no cruelty in that demographic.  Wink
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Reply #92 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:16am
 
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Reply #93 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:16am
 
Science of the lambs – do sheep have feelings?


German-born scientist Mirjam Guesgen lived in New Zealand for 15 years before she got anywhere near a sheep. Her PhD zoology research brought her closer than most ever get to the ubiquitous woolly ruminant, leading her to new understandings of pain expression and empathy.

Exploring the extent to which farm livestock experience pain and empathy might be contentious in a nation that depends on farming, slaughtering, devouring and exporting them for economic livelihood.

Dr Guesgen’s interest in the topic was sparked by her curiosity about broader questions on the evolutionary role of pain expression, and whether animals respond to pain they witness in others of their species. Being social animals, sheep seemed an ideal species on which to focus.

The Lamb Grimace Scale is one of the results of her investigation, providing a visual guide to facial expressions that denote pain in sheep. They include ear, nose and mouth positions as well as cheek flatness. She has also found that lambs can empathise – they appear to imitate expressions of pain by flattening their ears and looking at their own tails when in the presence of other lambs being docked.

A meat-eater, this “city-slicker” who moved from Auckland’s North Shore to Manawatu- for her project believes it is important to deepen our knowledge of animal behaviour – including their experience of pain – in the interests of animal welfare and a more humane farming industry.

Dr Guesgen learned how to dock lambs’ tails for the three-phase experimental part of her study. Docking is a regular procedure and provided a suitable basis for investigating aspects of animal behaviour that could contribute to improving pain management for the country’s 31 million sheep, she says.

In New Zealand docking is done with either a constrictive rubber ring, which causes the tail to drop off, or cauterisation with a hot iron. The former method induces mild or moderate pain that lasts a few hours, while pain with the latter is much shorter but more intense. Guesgen and her volunteers opted for the rubber ring option to be able to record behaviour over time.

If the tail is left intact, faecal matter – or dags – builds up on the tail and hindquarters. This results in fly strike and wool maggots, which eat into the flesh causing greater pain and distress.

Her work also involved observing, filming, photographing and describing the behaviour of “actor” lambs (those undergoing docking), and “observer” lambs.

She compared reactions across various combinations to see whether pain expression and empathy varied according to the relationship between “actor” and “observer”, in terms of familiarity, relatedness, sex and whether the observer animal had experienced pain itself.

Her discovery that “observer” lambs experience empathy “at a primal level” by displaying what is known as socially facilitated behaviour when seeing its own kind express pain is a first.

Creating the Lamb Grimace Scale and working with leading animal welfare scientists, both at Massey and around the world, were her research highlights. “I learned so much from them and am so grateful for their expertise.

“Fifty years ago, people said animals can’t feel pain,” says Dr Guesgen. “Things have come a long way since then, and the more we know about their emotional lives, the more we can do to minimise the impacts of what we do to them.”



http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-massey/news/article.cfm?mnarticle_uuid=4B3E...
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Reply #94 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:17am
 
Various tribal societies had post-killing rituals to show respect to the animal. Man today just crams it in his piehole ...
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Reply #95 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:17am
 
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Re: "Animals can't feel pain or emotion"
Reply #96 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:23am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:04am:
cods wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:03am:
mothra wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:01am:
cods wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:00am:
it ISNT OUR LAW!


And?



you are upset about a foreign countries laws..

what would you have us do?...

no I do not like or approve animal cruelty..

but what can I do to stop other countries from doing what they choose to do?..



Do you ask everyone who starts a thread on something what we are supposed to do about it? Or just me?

I notice you ask me alot, is all.




so you dont have any answers  fine..

yes I do   you see most thread from yourself are about foreign countries..usually something outrageous or contentious  like this one....

most people express their view on the topic they post.. in favor/or horrified...

you are the one questioning everyone on this...

its your thread... you must have an opinion...

or dont you?... is that what you are saying?

let me put it another way

what have you done to prevent this law coming in?>
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Re: "Animals can't feel pain or emotion"
Reply #97 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:26am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:14am:
Gnads wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:11am:
mothra wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:54am:
What does eating meat have to do with it being passed into law that animals don't feel pain or have emotion, Cods?

Do you think if we concede that animals are sentient, people would feel bad about eating them?

Do you not think animals are sentient?


Obviously you ignored what she wrote in her first couple of lines.

Its done to appease a certain group who treat animals very cruelly whilst handling them and even more so when slaughtering.

The UK export to those countries and have large internal populations of that group.



Ah of course. Blaming Muslims for laws passed in the UK.

Genius.


And the UK also has a large Muslim population.

If this is so insignificant .... why has Halal Certification become such a large mnoey making concern here in Australia when we have such a small Muslim population compared to the UK or France etc?

Just about all the processed meat in Australia has given in to Halal Certifcation and employ Halal slaughter men.

For 2% of the population 98% have to eat meat prepared to their religious beliefs.

If its hot and steamy and the air is foul its time to pull your head out of your backside.
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Re: "Animals can't feel pain or emotion"
Reply #98 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:26am
 
Cods, may i suggest that if you don;t like the threads i start, you stay out of them?

There's no need to endlessly troll just to evidence you hate me. We already know.
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Re: "Animals can't feel pain or emotion"
Reply #99 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:27am
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:16am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 12:03pm:
It seems so improbable that I'm wondering if this decision somehow sheets back to halal butchery with its throat-slitting.

Is this yet another concession to the Muslim foreigners who have been setting up camp in Britain as colonists from the Middle East over the past few decades?

Nothing else explains it.

Another exercise in vote-winning appeasement.



Its exactly what its about.

Internal and export market.

It happens to those sheep and cattle we "Live Export"
to certain countries.

but hey we all know there's no cruelty in that demographic.  Wink




of course it is    thats what I mean about being

REALISTIC



... and when I bring it up to mothra we have Halal killing in this country every day.....she claims they stun first then kill....... and no they dont they try to kill first and only stun if it doesnt work...

to me that is appalling animal cruelty....and its in this country

how can we criticise anyone else... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

this is a massive double standard.... but but but....
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Re: "Animals can't feel pain or emotion"
Reply #100 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:27am
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:26am:
mothra wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:14am:
Gnads wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:11am:
mothra wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 11:54am:
What does eating meat have to do with it being passed into law that animals don't feel pain or have emotion, Cods?

Do you think if we concede that animals are sentient, people would feel bad about eating them?

Do you not think animals are sentient?


Obviously you ignored what she wrote in her first couple of lines.

Its done to appease a certain group who treat animals very cruelly whilst handling them and even more so when slaughtering.

The UK export to those countries and have large internal populations of that group.



Ah of course. Blaming Muslims for laws passed in the UK.

Genius.


And the UK also has a large Muslim population.

If this is so insignificant .... why has Halal Certification become such a large mnoey making concern here in Australia when we have such a small Muslim population compared to the UK or France etc?

Just about all the processed meat in Australia has given in to Halal Certifcation and employ Halal slaughter men.

For 2% of the population 98% have to eat meat prepared to their religious beliefs.

If its hot and steamy and the air is foul its time to pull your head out of your backside.


Always amuses me that people think Halal and Kosher killing is any more barbaric than the way we do it.

It's like they're trying to justify themselves or something.


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Re: "Animals can't feel pain or emotion"
Reply #101 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:28am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:26am:
Cods, may i suggest that if you don;t like the threads i start, you stay out of them?

There's no need to endlessly troll just to evidence you hate me. We already know.



so asking a question you have no answer for is trolling...


good god!
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Re: "Animals can't feel pain or emotion"
Reply #102 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:28am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:26am:
Cods, may i suggest that if you don;t like the threads i start, you stay out of them?

There's no need to endlessly troll just to evidence you hate me. We already know.


Grin Grin poor princess
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Reply #103 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:29am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:14am:
Gnads wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:11am:
[quote author=mothra link=1511311844/9#9 date=1511315686]What does eating meat have to do with it being passed into law that animals don't feel pain or have emotion, Cods?

Do you think if we concede that animals are sentient, people would feel bad about eating them?

Do you not think animals are sentient?


Obviously you ignored what she wrote in her first couple of lines.

Its done to appease a certain group who treat animals very cruelly whilst handling them and even more so when slaughtering.

The UK export to those countries and have large internal populations of that group.



Ah of course. Blaming Muslims for laws passed in the UK.

Genius.[/
quote]



whooooooo do you think they sell too mothra???

whoooo does Australia sell its live cattle toooo mothra??...>........
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Re: "Animals can't feel pain or emotion"
Reply #104 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:29am
 
cods wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:28am:
mothra wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:26am:
Cods, may i suggest that if you don;t like the threads i start, you stay out of them?

There's no need to endlessly troll just to evidence you hate me. We already know.



so asking a question you have no answer for is trolling...


good god!


You, along with your little mates, have been trolling all thread.

Ganging up on me and bullying, even.

But you won't see that. I've never known you once to recognise your own behaviour in any way other than to project it onto other people.
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