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Reply #15 - Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:45pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 5:00pm:

____ wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 5:25am:

Battery fire 8 days ago. Me think it's a recovery, rather than a rescue.

It just illustrates how pathetic the submarine design is for dealing with situations of emergency like this.

Days would have been saved if there was a simple device that is released from the hull of the submarine that then shoots up to the surface from where it transmits a signal.

They have both, Herbie. The German Type 209 Class variant created for India, the Shishumar class submarine has an escape pod under it's weather deck. No other submarines have them. All submarines have buoys which can be released by the crew and float to the surface - if they have time and if the release mechanism is working properly. They have had them since the 1930s in the Royal Navy and since WWII in NATO navies. However, accidents underwater can be sudden and catastrophic. HMS Affray, an "A-class" submarine was lost in 1951. Tragically, her buoy was wired shut, preventing it's release because it had come loose earlier. I'd recommend you read the Wikipedia entry on her loss. It makes sobering reading.

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Reply #16 - Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:46pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 7:40pm:

cods wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 7:35pm:

you would think in this day and age it would be impossible to lose a submarine..

They're the spaceships of the ocean.

why not a simple tracking device in peace time ??..

at the end of the day its still a machine and every day things for wrong with machines....

think of the families at home waiting all this time.....

Cry

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Reply #17 - Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 5:00pm:

____ wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 5:25am:

Battery fire 8 days ago. Me think it's a recovery, rather than a rescue.

It just illustrates how pathetic the submarine design is for dealing with situations of emergency like this.

Days would have been saved if there was a simple device that is released from the hull of the submarine that then shoots up to the surface from where it transmits a signal.

They have both, Herbie. The German Type 209 Class variant created for Indian, the Shishumar class submarine has an escape pod under it's weather deck. No other submarines have them. All submarines have buoys which can be released by the crew and float to the surface - if they have time and if the release mechanism is working properly. They have had them since the 1930s in the Royal Navy and since WWII in NATO navies. However, accidents underwater can be sudden and catastrophic. HMS Affray, an "A-class" submarine was lost in 1951. Tragically, her buoy was wired shut, preventing it's release because it had come loose earlier. I'd recommend you read the Wikipedia entry on her loss. It makes sobering reading.

is it at all possible for a whole crew to be rendered unconscious like we have heard happening with aircraft?...... the silence must be unspeakable.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: missing submarine Reply #18 - Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:52pm I see where the RAF is also involved in the search.,.... well done and lets hope they are all rewarded with a rescue..
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Reply #20 - Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 10:21pm

cods wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 5:00pm:

____ wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 5:25am:

Battery fire 8 days ago. Me think it's a recovery, rather than a rescue.

It just illustrates how pathetic the submarine design is for dealing with situations of emergency like this.

Days would have been saved if there was a simple device that is released from the hull of the submarine that then shoots up to the surface from where it transmits a signal.

They have both, Herbie. The German Type 209 Class variant created for Indian, the Shishumar class submarine has an escape pod under it's weather deck. No other submarines have them. All submarines have buoys which can be released by the crew and float to the surface - if they have time and if the release mechanism is working properly. They have had them since the 1930s in the Royal Navy and since WWII in NATO navies. However, accidents underwater can be sudden and catastrophic. HMS Affray, an "A-class" submarine was lost in 1951. Tragically, her buoy was wired shut, preventing it's release because it had come loose earlier. I'd recommend you read the Wikipedia entry on her loss. It makes sobering reading.

is it at all possible for a whole crew to be rendered unconscious like we have heard happening with aircraft?...... the silence must be unspeakable.

The conditions on board a submarine are cramped and space is severely limited. If you have the chance, Cods, go on board one of the submarines in Darling Harbour. It will tell you a great deal about the sort of people who man them.

Yes, an entire crew can be rendered unconscious through foul air. As the submarines run on lead-acid batteries while submerged, there is a danger of Chlorine gas - if the acid comes into contact with sea-water it produces Chlorine gas. While the battery compartment is much better sealed than it was in yesteryears, it is still a danger. In the case of the Argentine submarine, it appears to have suffered a battery fire, which would prevent them from being able to use their air scrubbers to clean the air and remove the CO^2 which would have built up. CO^2 poisoning is insidious and renders it's victims unconscious within a few minutes to a few hours (depending on the concentration).

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Reply #21 - Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 10:23pm

cods wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 6:11pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:47am:

Look out Bogey! Cods will be asking you what you've done about it and whether or not it's our submarine.

Just kidding. She's nowhere near consistent.

and you think I follow you around..

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some mothers do av em!

I'd sincerely like to know why you haven't asked Bogey what he expects us to do about it.

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Reply #22 - Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 11:07pm

mothra wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 10:23pm:

cods wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 6:11pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:47am:

Look out Bogey! Cods will be asking you what you've done about it and whether or not it's our submarine.

Just kidding. She's nowhere near consistent.

and you think I follow you around..

Shocked

some mothers do av em!

I'd sincerely like to know why you haven't asked Bogey what he expects us to do about it.

Moths trolling and trashing a serious thread. Why am I not surprised?

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: missing submarine Reply #23 - Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 11:08pm Both NASA and the US Navy are involved in the search as well as other countries. Russia has had serious submarine mishaps. I wonder if they have offered to help?
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Reply #24 - Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 11:09pm

AiA wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 11:07pm:

Moths trolling and trashing a serious thread. Why am I not surprised?

No. That's what you lot do.

Watch now, this thread will become all about me .. then you'll all say:

"Oooooh Mothballs is making it all about her again" ...

... then tell me which one of you i'm supposed to be in love with.

I've been paying attention.

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Reply #25 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 5:33am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 10:21pm:

cods wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 5:00pm:

____ wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 5:25am:

Battery fire 8 days ago. Me think it's a recovery, rather than a rescue.

It just illustrates how pathetic the submarine design is for dealing with situations of emergency like this.

Days would have been saved if there was a simple device that is released from the hull of the submarine that then shoots up to the surface from where it transmits a signal.

They have both, Herbie. The German Type 209 Class variant created for Indian, the Shishumar class submarine has an escape pod under it's weather deck. No other submarines have them. All submarines have buoys which can be released by the crew and float to the surface - if they have time and if the release mechanism is working properly. They have had them since the 1930s in the Royal Navy and since WWII in NATO navies. However, accidents underwater can be sudden and catastrophic. HMS Affray, an "A-class" submarine was lost in 1951. Tragically, her buoy was wired shut, preventing it's release because it had come loose earlier. I'd recommend you read the Wikipedia entry on her loss. It makes sobering reading.

is it at all possible for a whole crew to be rendered unconscious like we have heard happening with aircraft?...... the silence must be unspeakable.

The conditions on board a submarine are cramped and space is severely limited. If you have the chance, Cods, go on board one of the submarines in Darling Harbour. It will tell you a great deal about the sort of people who man them.

Yes, an entire crew can be rendered unconscious through foul air. As the submarines run on lead-acid batteries while submerged, there is a danger of Chlorine gas - if the acid comes into contact with sea-water it produces Chlorine gas. While the battery compartment is much better sealed than it was in yesteryears, it is still a danger. In the case of the Argentine submarine, it appears to have suffered a battery fire, which would prevent them from being able to use their air scrubbers to clean the air and remove the CO^2 which would have built up. CO^2 poisoning is insidious and renders it's victims unconscious within a few minutes to a few hours (depending on the concentration).

no way would I ever go one the subbies have my utter respect and admiration...no way jose!..

the thought of slow suffocation sends shivers through me.......

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Reply #26 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 5:39am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 5:00pm:

____ wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 5:25am:

Battery fire 8 days ago. Me think it's a recovery, rather than a rescue.

It just illustrates how pathetic the submarine design is for dealing with situations of emergency like this.

Days would have been saved if there was a simple device that is released from the hull of the submarine that then shoots up to the surface from where it transmits a signal.

They have both, Herbie. The German Type 209 Class variant created for India, the Shishumar class submarine has an escape pod under it's weather deck. No other submarines have them. All submarines have buoys which can be released by the crew and float to the surface - if they have time and if the release mechanism is working properly. They have had them since the 1930s in the Royal Navy and since WWII in NATO navies. However, accidents underwater can be sudden and catastrophic. HMS Affray, an "A-class" submarine was lost in 1951. Tragically, her buoy was wired shut, preventing it's release because it had come loose earlier. I'd recommend you read the Wikipedia entry on her loss. It makes sobering reading.

Will do, Brian.

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Reply #27 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 5:41am

mothra wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 10:23pm:

cods wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 6:11pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 9:47am:

Look out Bogey! Cods will be asking you what you've done about it and whether or not it's our submarine.

Just kidding. She's nowhere near consistent.

and you think I follow you around..

Shocked

some mothers do av em!

I'd sincerely like to know why you haven't asked Bogey what he expects us to do about it.

well some of us feel a great deal of sympathy for not only the sailors but all their loved ones who would be in the excruciating world of the unknown..... Sad

then again a few of us more concerned with their own welfare it appears.

not one word about this appalling situation..not ONE WORD..

3 posts and they have not a thing to do with this topic..

do you think submariners feel PAIN?....
Angry

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Reply #28 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 5:43am

cods wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 5:33am:

no way would I ever go one the subbies have my utter respect and admiration...no way jose!..

the thought of slow suffocation sends shivers through me.......

It gets incredibly cold down there too as they're waiting to suffocate slowly. Cyanide pills set into every submariner's wisdom tooth is the answer. Or a capsule of Nembutal.

Submariners get a lot more pay than ordinary surface sailors.

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Reply #29 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:11am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 5:43am:

cods wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 5:33am:

no way would I ever go one the subbies have my utter respect and admiration...no way jose!..

the thought of slow suffocation sends shivers through me.......

It gets incredibly cold down there too as they're waiting to suffocate slowly. Cyanide pills set into every submariner's wisdom tooth is the answer. Or a capsule of Nembutal.

Submariners get a lot more pay than ordinary surface sailors.

it would take a special kind of person I would think..

like old time coal miners....I could not do it.... Sad

this is horrible just horrible...

waiting! Cry

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