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Reply #15 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:19pm:

So you only believe her when it suits you

im not sure what you are alluding to...

GW is a load of bullshit..

does that make it clear?

after the ice age (or mini ice age) it will warm again naturally... (nothing to do with GW)

Tony Abbott was 100% right.. more people will die because of the "COLD"

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Reply #16 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:38pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:19pm:

So you only believe her when it suits you

im not sure what you are alluding to...

You have started this thread because Professor Zharkova says there will be a short lived ice age. You are quite happy to believe that

Professor Zharkova also says that long term global warming will not be affected

You reject this because it doesn't suit your agenda.

You really arn't very bright are you Roll Eyes

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Reply #17 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:51pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:38pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:19pm:

So you only believe her when it suits you

im not sure what you are alluding to...

You have started this thread because Professor Zharkova says there will be a short lived ice age. You are quite happy to believe that

Professor Zharkova also says that long term global warming will not be affected

You reject this because it doesn't suit your agenda.

You really arn't very bright are you Roll Eyes

if you have been paying attention both myself and bobby have been laying down the scientific information for the past 12 months now in regards to the world cooling...

but now..

BUT NOW

THE (so called) CLIMATE SCIENTISTS are now admitting that there is indeed an Ice age coming...

this goes against every lie that they've been spewing for the last 20 years!!

my position has not changed..

the climate Pedler's position is now starting to change.. (and about time.. dur Cheesy

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but they want to keep the Fake Climate Funds coming in by adding...

AFTER THE MINI ICE AGE DON'T FORGET GLOBAL WARMING

****off....

what we are seeing are historical cycles... there's warming years and then there's cooler years...

its that simple...

only a halfwit could not see that... Roll Eyes

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Reply #18 - Jan 16^th, 2018 at 11:19pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:02pm:

Lees said the later half of the year would be really cold and decrease the average temp. Yeah right.

Really. Where did I say that? Direct quote not assertions.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:02pm:

Looks clear to me.

oh yes. Global temperatures all the way back to 1880, guaranteed to be accurate to 2 decimal places.

I really did not think you were that gullible. Grin

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Reply #19 - Jan 17^th, 2018 at 8:39am

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EMBER 4 2017

It might be summer, but it's snowing in Tasmania

Tasmania's parched east coast has received a much-needed drenching, while summer snow fell in the central highlands overnight.

The Bureau of Meteorology received reports of up to 40 centimetres of snow in the central highlands, about a week after a spring heatwave shattered records in many parts of Tasmania.

HOTTEST YEAR EVER... Cheesy

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Reply #20 - Jan 17^th, 2018 at 8:48am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 8:39am:

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EMBER 4 2017

It might be summer, but it's snowing in Tasmania

Tasmania's parched east coast has received a much-needed drenching, while summer snow fell in the central highlands overnight.

The Bureau of Meteorology received reports of up to 40 centimetres of snow in the central highlands, about a week after a spring heatwave shattered records in many parts of Tasmania.

HOTTEST YEAR EVER... Cheesy

Again you are aware weather and climate are two different things right.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #21 - Jan 17^th, 2018 at 10:48am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 17^th, 2018 at 8:48am:

Again you are aware weather and climate are two different things right.

Only if you are a sceptic. Otherwise Professor Michael E. Mann and his AlGorithm partner think the recent cold in the US is climate. Wink

And Michael E Mann is allegedly a CLIMATE scientist.

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Reply #25 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 7:13am

Oh dear, Mechanic, you should have looked for the source:

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Abstract
A comprehensive spectral analysis of both the solar background magnetic field (SBMF) in cycles 21-23 and the sunspot magnetic field in cycle 23 reported in our recent paper showed the presence of two principal components (PCs) of SBMF having opposite polarity, e.g., originating in the northern and southern hemispheres, respectively. Over a duration of one solar cycle, both waves are found to travel with an increasing phase shift toward the northern hemisphere in odd cycles 21 and 23 and to the southern hemisphere in even cycle 22. These waves were linked to solar dynamo waves assumed to form in different layers of the solar interior. In this paper, for the first time, the PCs of SBMF in cycles 21-23 are analyzed with the symbolic regression technique using Hamiltonian principles, allowing us to uncover the underlying mathematical laws governing these complex waves in the SBMF presented by PCs and to extrapolate these PCs to cycles 24-26. The PCs predicted for cycle 24 very closely fit (with an accuracy better than 98%) the PCs derived from the SBMF observations in this cycle. This approach also predicts a strong reduction of the SBMF in cycles 25 and 26 and, thus, a reduction of the resulting solar activity. This decrease is accompanied by an increasing phase shift between the two predicted PCs (magnetic waves) in cycle 25 leading to their full separation into the opposite hemispheres in cycle 26. The variations of the modulus summary of the two PCs in SBMF reveals a remarkable resemblance to the average number of sunspots in cycles 21-24 and to predictions of reduced sunspot numbers compared to cycle 24: 80% in cycle 25 and 40% in cycle 26.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014ApJ...795...46S

Ice age not mentioned—that was done by the popular press.

Not only that, a GSM, Dalton or Maunder etc did not cause the Little Ice Age now, did it? The LIA was already going when they happened.

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Re: Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by
Reply #26 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 8:14am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:01pm:

Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by

How do they know that it will only hit the UK ?

OK for the rest of us ?

There are negative feedback loops in the climate.
Put simply - if you try to heat up the Earth it
will react by getting colder.

One example of such a loop is the melting of fresh water
from Greenland which would cause the Gulf stream to stop
and plunge not only England but the whole of Europe into an Ice Age.

Remember London is 51 degrees North & so is the middle of Canada.
Without the effect of the Gulf stream, Europe would have a
climate just like Canada -
extreme winter cold.

But there is more -
there are many other feedback loops & they can not only be negative feedback -
there are positive ones too.

A good example of a positive loop is the albedo affect -

caused by ice reflecting sunlight & heat back into space.
The more ice you get - the colder it gets.

And where the ice has melted, dark ocean water is exposed. These changes decrease the albedo.
With a lower albedo more solar energy is absorbed and less is reflected. This causes more ice to melt, which in turn lowers the albedo, causes more energy to be absorbed and more warming to occur.

Positive feedback is known as an under damped system
and can oscillate wildly about a mean temperature.
Are every one of these feedback systems in the climate models?
I doubt that all the possible systems are well understood
or even known about.

Also - climate scientists get their money from proving
that there is AGW.
If they came up with opposite results their funding would be cut off.

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Re: Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by
Reply #27 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 10:02am

lee wrote on Jan 19^th, 2018 at 5:43pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 19^th, 2018 at 7:09am:

So what is your position on the "mini ice age" lee?

You've made lots of contributions to this thread but strangely you haven't yet stated your own opinion.

Opinion on what? A prediction for the future? Like CAGW? I leave it to others. Wink

lee's suddenly become coy and evasive. Who would have imagined that?
He's spent thousands of posts trying to discredit AGW but when some loony scientist claims we are in for a mini ice age he does silent.

Nom De Plume sums up lee very well

Nom de Plume wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 5:37pm:

You are just a baiting troll looking for meaningless disputes. Grow a brain. Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 10:12am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 8:14am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2018 at 9:01pm:

Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by

How do they know that it will only hit the UK ?

OK for the rest of us ?

There are negative feedback loops in the climate.
Put simply - if you try to heat up the Earth it
will react by getting colder.

One example of such a loop is the melting of fresh water
from Greenland which would cause the Gulf stream to stop
and plunge not only England but the whole of Europe into an Ice Age.

Remember London is 51 degrees North & so is the middle of Canada.
Without the effect of the Gulf stream, Europe would have a
climate just like Canada -
extreme winter cold.

Except the melting of Greenland ice, about 280Gtons every year, if it were to stop the Gulf Stream is cause and effect, not a loop.

The albedo effect is a loop and is why the poles are melting 2-3 times as fast as the rest of the planet—look at the map included in the “2017 second hottest year” post.

With all the 46% extra CO2 in the air just how cold will the UK get?

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Reply #29 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 12:04pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 10:02am:

lee wrote on Jan 19^th, 2018 at 5:43pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 19^th, 2018 at 7:09am:

So what is your position on the "mini ice age" lee?

You've made lots of contributions to this thread but strangely you haven't yet stated your own opinion.

Opinion on what? A prediction for the future? Like CAGW? I leave it to others. Wink

lee's suddenly become coy and evasive. Who would have imagined that?
He's spent thousands of posts trying to discredit AGW but when some loony scientist claims we are in for a mini ice age he does silent.

Nom De Plume sums up lee very well

Nom de Plume wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 5:37pm:

You are just a baiting troll looking for meaningless disputes. Grow a brain. Roll Eyes

Yeah.
1. So you have proof of the amount AGW?
2. Where have I tried to discredit AGW. Man has warmed the earth through land use changes. Think UHI. What I have tried to discredit is CAGW.
3. I still don't believe you can model a chaotic system and impute the future. Wink

You can't even get your facts right.

Isn't Nom de Plume the same bloke who said the glacier retreat could be traced back to the start of the Industrial Revolution? Grin

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