Karnal,

FD has logged off.

Have anything to say during the impending silence?

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:


Ok, so you think the Jews would've been content living under a centralized state established by Muhammad? You don't think that if the Jews had said to Muhammad: "OK, we'll be happy to live under your governance, but if you could left us worship God and retain our practices" that Muhammad would've said no?

If it were possible to have allegiance to Muhammad's state and retain your own beliefs then this would've been acceptable. Problem was that they were all tribes and wouldn't have accepted the idea of an empire or centralized state. You think the Gauls just accepted Roman dominance over their lands without fighting? If Vercingetorix had just said: "All right Caesar, we'll live under your rule but let us worship our pagan gods and retain our practices," you don't think the Romans would've accepted that rathern than spilling blood beforehand???

Conversion was a matter of allegiance. The idea of being a Jew but being loyal to an Islamic State was not known in Arab world. Tribes don't work the same way we do in nation-states. It was the same in Torah: being loyal to the pagan gods and being a loyal to the Jews was impossible.

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:


I'm not defending his genocide, nor any other genocide. If you perceive something to be a threat, what's the best way to get rid of that rid of that threat? Back in tribal societies, it was through massacring.

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:


They are my opinion. How many times do I have to repeat myself?

Auggie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 6:25pm:


AugCaesarustus,

Not 'wall the ISLAMIC world off from the rest of us'.

Rather, our laws should prohibit any person who self identifies as a follower of ISLAM from living in our open and free society.

[....for the reasons i have previously stated.
1/ Being a follower of ISLAM, and           2/ living in a free and open society, are totally incompatible paths, and, mutually exclusive paths. ]





Auggie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 6:25pm:



Yes it does.


AugCaesarustus,

ISLAMIC law, or Torah law.

If i must choose one, i know which of those two laws i would choose to live under.




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A small snippet from Torah law....

Exodus 21:12
He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
13  And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.
14  But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.
15  And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
16  And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
17  And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
18  And if men strive together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepeth his bed:
19  If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed.
20  And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.



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"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102



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https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/


Dictionary;
probity = = honesty and decency.



The scripture which supports such values....

1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Auggie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2018 at 7:25pm:


They are lies regarding matters of historical facts. Are you saying you fabricated these "opinions" entirely on your own and just happened to come up with the same ones as other Muslims have trotted out here?

Only those who fought and killed the Muslims, FD.

Also, the Jews broke a Treaty with the Muslims

they promised not to support the enemy

You need to understand is that everyone was out to get each other.

What is the difference between a fabricated opinion regarding matters of historical fact that has no basis in reality and a lie?

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Yes I know the answer, but I would be interested to hear your opinion on the matter, as it obviously differs from that of normal people.

No you haven't. But feel free to quote your previous answer if you think it exists.

What is the difference between a lie and a fabricated opinion regarding matters of historical fact that has no basis in reality?

During the invasion of Iraq by Bush and Blair, a friend of mine in the US said, "You'll hear every kind of opinion on this, and everyone of them is based on some kind of lie."

Where religion is ostensibly concerned with a creator of the universe, it is opinion, belief, and lie all rolled into one.

The aboriginal Dreamtime is as big a lie as the divine right of kings.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 1:25pm:


So, that means that what FD is saying is also a lie??

I'm willing to admit that I'm telling lies, if FD is willing to admit that he is also telling lies?