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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #120 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:20pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 1:48pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 1:25pm:

During the invasion of Iraq by Bush and Blair, a friend of mine in the US said, "You'll hear every kind of opinion on this, and everyone of them is based on some kind of lie."

Where religion is ostensibly concerned with a creator of the universe, it is opinion, belief, and lie all rolled into one.

The aboriginal Dreamtime is as big a lie as the divine right of kings.

So, that means that what FD is saying is also a lie??

I'm willing to admit that I'm telling lies, if FD is willing to admit that he is also telling lies?

Ask FD if he believes in the use of lies in his campaign against Muslims and the tinted races. Ask him that, Augie.

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Reply #121 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:38pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 1:25pm:

During the invasion of Iraq by Bush and Blair, a friend of mine in the US said, "You'll hear every kind of opinion on this, and everyone of them is based on some kind of lie."

Where religion is ostensibly concerned with a creator of the universe, it is opinion, belief, and lie all rolled into one.

The aboriginal Dreamtime is as big a lie as the divine right of kings.

Yeah, well issue, when some king has his sword at your throat, you can tell him all about it. Tongue

That he has no divine right, to run you through. Wink

I'm sure that will save you. /sarc off

Wisdom word's.....

Proverbs 8:14
Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
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32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #122 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:40pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:38pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 1:25pm:

During the invasion of Iraq by Bush and Blair, a friend of mine in the US said, "You'll hear every kind of opinion on this, and everyone of them is based on some kind of lie."

Where religion is ostensibly concerned with a creator of the universe, it is opinion, belief, and lie all rolled into one.

The aboriginal Dreamtime is as big a lie as the divine right of kings.

Yeah, well issue, when some king has his sword at your throat, you can tell him all about it. Tongue

That he has no divine right, to run you through. Wink

I'm sure that will save you. /sarc off

Wisdom word's.....

Proverbs 8:14
Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
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32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Do you fear the LORD?

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Reply #123 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:47pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:38pm:

Yeah, well issue, when some king has his sword at your throat, you can tell him all about it. Tongue

That he has no divine right, to run you through. Wink

I'm sure that will save you. /sarc off

n.b.
There are lots of people alive today, who believe that THEY, themselves, enjoy a sovereign's prerogative, to do, just exactly what they wish to do!

They fancy, themselves as being defacto 'kings' and 'queens'.

This world, circa 2018, is a dangerous place.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #124 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:58pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:40pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:38pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 1:25pm:

During the invasion of Iraq by Bush and Blair, a friend of mine in the US said, "You'll hear every kind of opinion on this, and everyone of them is based on some kind of lie."

Where religion is ostensibly concerned with a creator of the universe, it is opinion, belief, and lie all rolled into one.

The aboriginal Dreamtime is as big a lie as the divine right of kings.

Yeah, well issue, when some king has his sword at your throat, you can tell him all about it. Tongue

That he has no divine right, to run you through. Wink

I'm sure that will save you. /sarc off

Wisdom word's.....

Proverbs 8:14
Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
.....
32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Do you fear the LORD?

Yes i do.

But not nearly, as perfectly as i should. !!!!!

I'm a flawed human being.

I live in this world, and i am subject to all of the distractions, and the temptations, that any other human being suffers here.

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Psalms 78:38
But he, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away, and did not stir up all his wrath.
39 For he remembered that they were but flesh; a wind that passeth away, and cometh not again.

Psalms 63:1
O God, thou art my God; early will I seek thee: my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is;
2 To see thy power and thy glory, so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #126 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:58pm:

Yes i do.

But not nearly, as perfectly as i should.

Are you referring to the way you, perhaps rather uncharitably, spend your days hurling vitriol and demonizing muslims?

...or is it that you don't demonize them enough?

gandalf,

QUESTION;
Are you a follower of a philosophy/'religion' called ISLAM ?

A simple YES, or, NO, will suffice.

And what is my sin, my 'error' gandalf ?

To try to shame murderers and wanna-be murderers, with the truth ?

Psalms 15:1
LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
3 He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
4 In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.
5 He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.

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gandalf,

Mainstream ISLAMIC religious texts, call on the followers of ISLAM, to fight and kill those who stand apart from, and reject ISLAM.

And ISLAM calls on its followers to fight and to kill 'disbelievers', because, 'disbelievers' don't believe what the followers of ISLAM believe.

Every moslem in Australia, is a moslem.

By definition, every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

And every follower of ISLAM, is a supporter of what ISLAM and ISLAMIC law, endorses, promotes, encourages,
and is a supporter of prohibiting, what ISLAM and ISLAMIC law prohibits.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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ARGUMENT;
There is an identifiable group of people, who do, facilitate, enable, encourage and commit acts of terror,
as an endorsed cultural modality.

They are called moslems.

They are the followers, of ISLAM.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

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The precepts of ISLAM require moslems to fight and to kill persons who reject ISLAM.

And ISLAM calls on moslems to fight, and to destroy and to kill Allah's enemies.

Killing the disbeliever [to the moslem], is performing 'good works' for his faith.

Killing the disbeliever, is what all of the religious precepts of ISLAM direct him to do.

All moslems are taught, by ISLAM's precepts, to be combatants, against Allah's enemies.

To fight, to kill, those who 'disbelieve'.

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #127 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:05pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:58pm:

Yes i do.

But not nearly, as perfectly as i should.

Are you referring to the way you, perhaps rather uncharitably, spend your days hurling vitriol and demonizing muslims?

...or is it that you don't demonize them enough?

gandalf,

QUESTION;
Are you a follower of a philosophy/'religion' called ISLAM ?

A simple YES, or, NO, will suffice.

And what is my sin, my 'error' gandalf ?

To try to shame murderers and wanna-be murderers, with the truth ?

And a question gandalf;

Why is 'Aussie' moslem, Ali Kadri, barefacedly, lying to his fellow Australians about ISLAMIC teachings ?

IMAGE.....

Ali Kadri - Islamic Council of Queensland vice-president,
features in The Mosque Next Door on SBS.

Quote:

"There's no underlying religious text or reasons why [moslems] go out and kill people......"

- Ali Kadri
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https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/we-wont-stop-terrorist-attacks-by-blaming-i...

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WHAT ALLAH SAYS.....

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

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WHAT MOHAMMED SAID.....

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

WHAT MOHAMMED SAID.....

ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #128 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:12pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:56pm:

And what is my sin, my 'error' gandalf ?

To try to shame murderers and wanna-be murderers, with the truth ?

Your sin, your error - if it really needs to be spelled out for you - is to smear the entire muslim population as murderers and wanna-be murderers in the first place.

Why am I even answering you? You're just going to "respond" with your usual montage of quranic quotes and incriminating photos. carry on.

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Reply #129 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:56pm:

And what is my sin, my 'error' gandalf ?

To try to shame murderers and wanna-be murderers, with the truth ?

Your sin, your error - if it really needs to be spelled out for you - is to smear the entire muslim population as murderers and wanna-be murderers in the first place.

Why am I even answering you? You're just going to "respond" with your usual montage of quranic quotes and incriminating photos. carry on.

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:05pm:

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

You deny the authenticity of this Hadith, even though Sahih Bukhari is considered authentic within in Sunni Islam?

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Reply #130 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:56pm:

And what is my sin, my 'error' gandalf ?

To try to shame murderers and wanna-be murderers, with the truth ?

Your sin, your error - if it really needs to be spelled out for you - is to smear the entire muslim population as murderers and wanna-be murderers in the first place.

Why am I even answering you? You're just going to "respond" with your usual montage of quranic quotes and incriminating photos. carry on.

My omission and mistake gandalf.

I apologise.

I meant to say;

To try to shame murderers and latent wanna-be murderers, with the truth ?

IMAGE.....

ISLAM is a ONE party, TOTALITARIAN SYSTEM

As that words in that image state gandalf,

ISLAM is NOT a religion.

Yet ISLAM does cloak itself, indeed VEILS itself, behind the word 'RELIGION'.

In truth, ISLAM is a violent [and very secular and 'worldly'] expression of political fascism.

Violent Koranic verses [and there are many of them!!!], are all about directing raw, violent political power.

And ISLAM is, ...a system of laws.

ARGUMENT;

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION [ .....well, not in any traditional sense of what the word 'religion' means].

e.g.
ISLAM IS NOT ABOUT THE PASSIVE PRACTICE OF - WORSHIPPING - A SUPREME BEING.

ISLAM is about establishing raw, violent political power over every human being on this planet.

And the 'righteous' means of establishing that violent political power over every human being on this planet, is accomplished by the 'vehicles' of political deceit and political violence.

e.g.
Quote:

Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world.

We would like to do this by preaching.

But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-p...

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Reply #131 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 7:19am

Auggie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 11:53am:

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:45am:

No you haven't. But feel free to quote your previous answer if you think it exists.

What is the difference between a lie and a fabricated opinion regarding matters of historical fact that has no basis in reality?

A lie is sinister in intention. An opinion is personal belief.

And where does a "fabricated opinion regarding matters of historical fact that has no basis in reality" fit into that?

Are you saying that your lie is not a lie because your intentions are good?

Auggie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 1:48pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 1:25pm:

During the invasion of Iraq by Bush and Blair, a friend of mine in the US said, "You'll hear every kind of opinion on this, and everyone of them is based on some kind of lie."

Where religion is ostensibly concerned with a creator of the universe, it is opinion, belief, and lie all rolled into one.

The aboriginal Dreamtime is as big a lie as the divine right of kings.

So, that means that what FD is saying is also a lie??

I'm willing to admit that I'm telling lies, if FD is willing to admit that he is also telling lies?

Which ones were lies?

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Reply #132 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 10:32am

Auggie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:56pm:

And what is my sin, my 'error' gandalf ?

To try to shame murderers and wanna-be murderers, with the truth ?

Your sin, your error - if it really needs to be spelled out for you - is to smear the entire muslim population as murderers and wanna-be murderers in the first place.

Why am I even answering you? You're just going to "respond" with your usual montage of quranic quotes and incriminating photos. carry on.

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:05pm:

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

You deny the authenticity of this Hadith, even though Sahih Bukhari is considered authentic within in Sunni Islam?

Yes.

And besides, even if this 200 year old oral chinese whisper could somehow be deemed as authentic (God knows how) - if you actually read the hadith fully, it says 'so and so said the prophet said...' - thus you could argue the hadith is 'sahih' in the sense that Bukhari is accurately reporting the claim - but he has no way of verifying whether or not the claim is true - and indeed is not even attempting to do so.

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Reply #133 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 12:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 10:32am:

Auggie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:56pm:

And what is my sin, my 'error' gandalf ?

To try to shame murderers and wanna-be murderers, with the truth ?

Your sin, your error - if it really needs to be spelled out for you - is to smear the entire muslim population as murderers and wanna-be murderers in the first place.

Why am I even answering you? You're just going to "respond" with your usual montage of quranic quotes and incriminating photos. carry on.

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:05pm:

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

You deny the authenticity of this Hadith, even though Sahih Bukhari is considered authentic within in Sunni Islam?

Yes.

And besides, even if this 200 year old oral chinese whisper could somehow be deemed as authentic (God knows how) - if you actually read the hadith fully, it says 'so and so said the prophet said...' - thus you could argue the hadith is 'sahih' in the sense that Bukhari is accurately reporting the claim - but he has no way of verifying whether or not the claim is true - and indeed is not even attempting to do so.

Ok, but you understand that most Muslims don’t deny the veracity of this Hadith?

Second, aren’t you now just cherry-picking? Choosing to belief one piece of authentic scripture over another?? Is this the ‘anything goes’ approach you’re talking about??

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