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Reply #135 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:43pm

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:31pm:

He only does that with the hadith's. With the Quran, he finds the most ambiguous translation he can, quotes that, and makes up a meaning, often the exact opposite of how other Muslims translate it.

Well, that’s fine so long as he’s consistent. He can be a Qurani but then he has to solely reject the entire Hadith. It’s either: sola Quran, or the Quran and the entire authentic Hadith. Any thing in between is ‘anything goes.’

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Reply #136 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:51pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:32pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:58pm:

Yes i do.

But not nearly, as perfectly as i should.

Are you referring to the way you, perhaps rather uncharitably, spend your days hurling vitriol and demonizing muslims?

...or is it that you don't demonize them enough?

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The influence of fundamental Christian and Jewish values, WRIT LARGE......

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“Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small.

In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better.

When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity.

To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself.

One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed.

A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.

I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

- Theodore Dalrymple
https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2018/01/28/repost-quote-of-the-centur...

Dictionary;
probity = = honesty and decency.

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A question gandalf;

Why is 'Aussie' moslem, Ali Kadri, barefacedly, lying to his fellow Australians about ISLAMIC teachings ?

ISLAMIC teachings from Koran cited here ----- >
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1516565029/127#127

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Ali Kadri - Islamic Council of Queensland vice-president,
features in The Mosque Next Door on SBS.

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"There's no underlying religious text or reasons why [moslems] go out and kill people......"

- Ali Kadri
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https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/we-wont-stop-terrorist-attacks-by-blaming-i...

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"ISLAM ES PAZ"

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And pigs might fly - in Barcelona.

Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace.

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When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity.

To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself.

- Theodore Dalrymple

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: The Islamic Way Reply #137 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 3:02pm Yadda, can you post the one where a Muslim says that ‘Australia is a Muslim country’. I find that quite funny.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96570	Re: The Islamic Way Reply #138 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 3:15pm freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:31pm: He only does that with the hadith's. With the Quran, he finds the most ambiguous translation he can, quotes that, and makes up a meaning, often the exact opposite of how other Muslims translate it. Strange - this is actually encouraged in Sunni Islam. We call this hermeneutics. You?
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21897 A cat with a view	Re: The Islamic Way Reply #139 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 4:12pm Auggie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 3:02pm: Yadda, can you post the one where a Muslim says that ‘Australia is a Muslim country’. I find that quite funny. augcaesarustus, That news report, *"Australia is Muslim nation, Ali says"* , is quoted in my post here..... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1516142236/2#2
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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #140 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 4:13pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 3:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:31pm:

He only does that with the hadith's. With the Quran, he finds the most ambiguous translation he can, quotes that, and makes up a meaning, often the exact opposite of how other Muslims translate it.

Strange - this is actually encouraged in Sunni Islam.

We call this hermeneutics. You?

Incorrect, hermeneutics is not encoursged in Sunni Islam.

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Reply #141 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 4:15pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 4:12pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 3:02pm:

Yadda, can you post the one where a Muslim says that ‘Australia is a Muslim country’.

I find that quite funny.

augcaesarustus,

That news report, "Australia is Muslim nation, Ali says"
, is quoted in my post here.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1516142236/2#2

Thank you. It’s one of the most absurd claims I’ve ever heard.

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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #142 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:15pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 3:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:31pm:

He only does that with the hadith's. With the Quran, he finds the most ambiguous translation he can, quotes that, and makes up a meaning, often the exact opposite of how other Muslims translate it.

Strange - this is actually encouraged in Sunni Islam.

We call this hermeneutics. You?

Incorrect, hermeneutics is not encoursged in Sunni Islam.

What do you think all those Islamic scholars do?

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Reply #143 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:29pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 3:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:31pm:

He only does that with the hadith's. With the Quran, he finds the most ambiguous translation he can, quotes that, and makes up a meaning, often the exact opposite of how other Muslims translate it.

Strange - this is actually encouraged in Sunni Islam.

We call this hermeneutics. You?

WE might call it that.

Muslims call it apostasy.

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Reply #144 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:29pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 3:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:31pm:

He only does that with the hadith's. With the Quran, he finds the most ambiguous translation he can, quotes that, and makes up a meaning, often the exact opposite of how other Muslims translate it.

Strange - this is actually encouraged in Sunni Islam.

We call this hermeneutics. You?

Incorrect, hermeneutics is not encoursged in Sunni Islam.

What do you think all those Islamic scholars do?

Apologetics.

That's what they always do. The 'golden age' of Muslim translation of the ancients was nothing but selective translations of what supported Islam.

And all those translations were done by conquered Christians and Jews. Intellectually, Islam is negligible, like Leninism, Stalinism, Hitlerism and the rest of them, because it's first principles are openly against free enquiry.

Oppression and demanding blind submission are at the very heart of Islam.

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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #145 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:48pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:43pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:31pm:

He only does that with the hadith's. With the Quran, he finds the most ambiguous translation he can, quotes that, and makes up a meaning, often the exact opposite of how other Muslims translate it.

Well, that’s fine so long as he’s consistent. He can be a Qurani but then he has to solely reject the entire Hadith. It’s either: sola Quran, or the Quran and the entire authentic Hadith. Any thing in between is ‘anything goes.’

I guess he is consistent in his agenda - trying to paint Islam in a positive light for a non-Muslim audience. It doesn't always work out that way, like with the mindless collective of treacherous Jews thing. But he usually cottons on eventually and stops pulling out those lines. The way I see it, if you reinterpret bits of the Quran to have the opposite of the intended meaning, then you are picking and choosing which bits of the Quran are true also.

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Reply #146 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 8:19pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 3:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:31pm:

He only does that with the hadith's. With the Quran, he finds the most ambiguous translation he can, quotes that, and makes up a meaning, often the exact opposite of how other Muslims translate it.

Strange - this is actually encouraged in Sunni Islam.

We call this hermeneutics. You?

Incorrect, hermeneutics is not encoursged in Sunni Islam.

What do you think all those Islamic scholars do?

Sit around and play with their dicks all day.

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Reply #147 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 8:53pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 3:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:31pm:

He only does that with the hadith's. With the Quran, he finds the most ambiguous translation he can, quotes that, and makes up a meaning, often the exact opposite of how other Muslims translate it.

Strange - this is actually encouraged in Sunni Islam.

We call this hermeneutics. You?

Incorrect, hermeneutics is not encoursged in Sunni Islam.

What do you think all those Islamic scholars do?

Sit around and play with their dicks all day.

After they've squatted down to pee, eh?

You're getting it, Augie.

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Reply #148 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 8:57pm

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:29pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 3:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:31pm:

He only does that with the hadith's. With the Quran, he finds the most ambiguous translation he can, quotes that, and makes up a meaning, often the exact opposite of how other Muslims translate it.

Strange - this is actually encouraged in Sunni Islam.

We call this hermeneutics. You?

WE might call it that.

Muslims call it apostasy.

Apostasy is when Muslims claim there is a god other than Allah, old boy, or no god at all.

Christians similarly look down upon those who say the same about Jehovah and his son, Yeheshua.

You?

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Reply #149 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 10:01pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 8:53pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 3:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:31pm:

He only does that with the hadith's. With the Quran, he finds the most ambiguous translation he can, quotes that, and makes up a meaning, often the exact opposite of how other Muslims translate it.

Strange - this is actually encouraged in Sunni Islam.

We call this hermeneutics. You?

Incorrect, hermeneutics is not encoursged in Sunni Islam.

What do you think all those Islamic scholars do?

Sit around and play with their dicks all day.

After they've squatted down to pee, eh?

You're getting it, Augie.

And long after going to the toilet.

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