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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #15 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 4:02pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:22am:

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

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ISLAM is not a religion - in any traditional sense

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THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST, 2006, IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #16 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 4:15pm

moses wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 1:50pm:

Here's a couple for starters.here or here or here or here or here, the net is full of archeological historical and religious proof that islams' allah is the pagan moon god allah with the added attributes of hatred and evil.

Mmm, all Bible sites, Moses. Gee, perhaps they are scared like all Islamophobes are, of Muslims and Islam? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #17 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 5:15pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 3:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:22am:

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

That, is a filthy moslem lie.

But of course, moslems would love for Christians [and Jews] to worship Allah, as being the God of the bible.

He isn't.

Google;
a different god allah

Google;
allah another god

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Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 1:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 12:22pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:22am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:03am:

Kill those who don't believe in the Muzlim god. Just like Mombai and so many other places.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42766623

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

That's what Muhammad said, just before he slaughtered them

Only those who fought and killed the Muslims, FD.

You don't believe in self-defence??

No, i don't believe in sef-defence augcaesarustus.

I believe in slaughtering everyone who will not bow down and worship Allah.

Coz, i'm a moslem.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509883266/40#40
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ISLAM's foundational religious texts, have plainly been interpreted by moslem scholars to indicate,
that those who have embraced ISLAM,
have embraced enmity, and hatred, and hostility and warfare and murder, towards those who reject ISLAM.

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past.

They are not dead letters.

They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
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we are pledging to wage war against all mankind, al-Tabari

augcaesarustus,

IMO, you are a deceiver and, an agent provocateur.

You have nothing of worth to contribute here.

Those who claim that Allah is a pagan deity, most notably the moon god, often base their claims on the fact that a symbol of the crescent moon adorns the tops of many mosques and is widely used as a symbol of Islam. It is in fact true that before the coming of Islam many "gods" and idols were worshipped in the Middle East, but the name of the moon god was Sîn, not Allah, and he was not particularly popular in Arabia, the birthplace of Islam. The most prominent idol in Mecca was a god called Hubal, and there is no proof that he was a moon god. It is sometimes claimed that there is a temple to the moon god at Hazor in Palestine. This is based on a representation there of a supplicant wearing a crescent-like pendant. It is not clear, however, that the pendant symbolizes a moon god, and in any case this is not an Arab religious site but an ancient Canaanite site, which was destroyed by Joshua in about 1250 BC. ... If the ancient Arabs worshipped hundreds of idols, then no doubt the moon god Sîn was included, for even the Hebrews were prone to worship the sun and the moon and the stars, but there is no clear evidence that moon-worship was prominent among the Arabs in any way or that the crescent was used as the symbol of a moon god, and Allah was certainly not the moon god's name.[32]

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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #18 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:21pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 5:15pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 3:45pm:

[quote author=augcaesarustus link=1516565029/1#1 date=1516580570]

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

That, is a filthy moslem lie.

It's the same nonsense as 'Mohammed is the final prophet of god'. The illiterate warlord declares himself the last word on what's in god's mind. Gussie, you have to be equally illiterate and bent on world domination to believe such nonsense.

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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #19 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:25pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 5:15pm:

Those who claim that Allah is a pagan deity, most notably the moon god, often base their claims on the fact that a symbol of the crescent moon adorns the tops of many mosques and is widely used as a symbol of Islam.

It is in fact true that before the coming of Islam many "gods" and idols were worshipped in the Middle East, but.....

Mohammed was a 'man for all seasons'.

And when it served his purposes, Mohammed was willing to worship pagan Gods and pagan idols.

Authentic, authoritative, ISLAMIC history, attests to that fact.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1392474751/5#5

Mohammed was a liar, and deceiver [because lies and deceit, 'served' him].

Mohammed was a liar, and deceiver, .....just as ALL of Mohammed's followers today, are also inherent liars, and deceivers,
who are all destined for the hot place.

".....just as ALL of his followers today, are also inherent liars, and deceivers,"

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1516142236/28#28

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Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

It is impossible for some people to believe, what the bible reveals.
.....because, there is something evil, - INSIDE THEIR HEARTS - which they refuse to let go of.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #20 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:28pm

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 5:15pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 3:45pm:

[quote author=augcaesarustus link=1516565029/1#1 date=1516580570]

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

That, is a filthy moslem lie.

It's the same nonsense as 'Mohammed is the final prophet of god'. The illiterate warlord declares himself the last word on what's in god's mind. Gussie, you have to be equally illiterate and bent on world domination to believe such nonsense.

Well, that's how the theology goes, Frank.

You know the Muslims do it to themselves as well. They shouldn't say Allah, but God in English.

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Reply #21 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:29pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:25pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 5:15pm:

Those who claim that Allah is a pagan deity, most notably the moon god, often base their claims on the fact that a symbol of the crescent moon adorns the tops of many mosques and is widely used as a symbol of Islam.

It is in fact true that before the coming of Islam many "gods" and idols were worshipped in the Middle East, but.....

Mohammed was a 'man for all seasons'.

And when it served his purposes, Mohammed was willing to worship pagan Gods and pagan idols.

Authentic, authoritative, ISLAMIC history, attests to that fact.

http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/42553621_mashaalap416.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1392474751/5#5

Mohammed was a liar, and deceiver [because lies and deceit, 'served' him].

Mohammed was a liar, and deceiver, .....just as ALL of Mohammed's followers today, are also inherent liars, and deceivers,
who are all destined for the hot place.

".....just as ALL of his followers today, are also inherent liars, and deceivers,"

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1516142236/28#28

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Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

It is impossible for some people to believe, what the bible reveals.
.....because, there is something evil, - INSIDE THEIR HEARTS - which they refuse to let go of.

The ravings of a mad-man.

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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #22 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:54pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:22am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:03am:

Kill those who don't believe in the Muzlim god. Just like Mombai and so many other places.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42766623

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

No he isn't.

A person need only compare what Allah and Mohammed reputedly say on differing issues, in the Koran and Hadith,
....with what the God of the Holy Bible has said, on those exact same issues.

If Yahweh is Allah, .....then Yahweh has had a personality transplant!

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FOR EXAMPLE, on keeping oaths, keeping our word, and honouring our verbal agreements.

If we give someone an undertaking to do something, or to behave in a certain way, will we keep to the [verbal] agreement that we have made ?

ALLAH;

"Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing the Wise."

Koran 66:2

"The Prophet said, "If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath."."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #007.067.427
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.078.618
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.709
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.710
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.712
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.715

Coz, Mohammed was a covenant breaker, and a liar, just like his god.

"expiate my oath", means an obligation to Allah of penance [Kaffara], e.g. fasting for three days, or to clothe or feed poor people.

Allah and Mohammed above.

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From the Jewish O.T. Bible;

Numbers 30:2
If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

Allah, and Yahweh....

Chalk and cheese!

Psalms 15:1
LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
3 He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
4 In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.

see also....

Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295407319/0#0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #24 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 8:19pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 1:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 12:22pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:22am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:03am:

Kill those who don't believe in the Muzlim god. Just like Mombai and so many other places.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42766623

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

That's what Muhammad said, just before he slaughtered them

Only those who fought and killed the Muslims, FD.

You don't believe in self-defence??

Not according to Gandalf. According to him they were slaughtered for being a mindless collective of treacherous Jews. Muhammad killed 800 of them in one day. As far as I can tell they did not kill any Muslims and any fighting they actually did was in self defence when the Muslims attacked them. Muhammad decided who the "warriors" were by inspecting their genitals.

Even Muhammad warned them to convert or suffer that fate.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your spineless apologetics.

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Reply #25 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 8:35pm

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 5:15pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 3:45pm:

[quote author=augcaesarustus link=1516565029/1#1 date=1516580570]

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

That, is a filthy moslem lie.

It's the same nonsense as 'Mohammed is the final prophet of god'. The illiterate warlord declares himself the last word on what's in god's mind. Gussie, you have to be equally illiterate and bent on world domination to believe such nonsense.

Exactly!

"Allah" refers to Muhammad's interpretation of who and what HE THINKS is God.

Muhammad...that revolting pedophile who ordered his followers to kill those who don't or won't believe what he says. And who has defiled the holy notion of Heaven by turning it into some vile brothel where virgins are on offer to be used by his male followers men who have killed and have died in the process.

Talk about megalomanic male dominant driven insanity!

He's just a bloody nutter like Hitler!

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Reply #26 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 8:57pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:21pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 5:15pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 3:45pm:

[quote author=augcaesarustus link=1516565029/1#1 date=1516580570]

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

That, is a filthy moslem lie.

It's the same nonsense as 'Mohammed is the final prophet of god'. The illiterate warlord declares himself the last word on what's in god's mind. Gussie, you have to be equally illiterate and bent on world domination to believe such nonsense.

Well, that's how the theology goes, Frank.

You know the Muslims do it to themselves as well. They shouldn't say Allah, but God in English.

You make no sense, Gussie, once again. You are alluding to things only you are aware of - if aware is not too strong a word.

Have another go. Have two. Call a friend like Karnal or gweggy or Bwian.

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Reply #27 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 2:34pm

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Allah is a unique contraction of Al-Ilah, which means God; i.e. the supreme God of the universe.

qur'an 53:11 The heart did not lie [about] what it saw.

qur'an 53:12 So will you dispute with him over what he saw?

qur'an 53:13 And he certainly saw him in another descent

qur'an 53:14 At the Lote Tree of the Utmost Boundary -

qur'an 53:15 Near it is the Garden of Refuge -

qur'an 53:16 When there covered the Lote Tree that which covered [it].

qur'an 53:17 The sight [of the Prophet] did not swerve, nor did it transgress [its limit].

qur'an 53:18 He certainly saw of the greatest signs of his Lord.

qur'an 53.19: So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza?

qur'an 53.20: And Manat, the third - the other one?

muhammad certainly saw allahs' three daughters al-Lat al-'Uzza and Manat in allahs' paradise.

Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of allah” in pagan Arabia? Yes they were. "The Quraysh tribe into which Mohammad was born was particularly devoted to allah, the moon god, and especially to allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and allah." ... "The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant role in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah."

Then we have:

muslims pray bowing towards the K'abah in Mecca five times a day. (a protraction of the pagan moon god ritual)

About two million muslims visit Mecca every year and walk around the K'abah, muslims still kiss the black stone. (a protraction of the pagan moon god ritual)

The muslim "holy" month of ramadan starts at the sighting of a new crescent moon. (a protraction of the pagan moon god ritual)

Perched atop mosques (and on most muslims flags) across the world is the crescent moon, the symbol of the moon god allah whom muhammad already worshipped and chose as the reinvented god of islam. (a protraction of the pagan moon god ritual)

But the apologists bend over backwards to give the death cult of islam some sort of unique link to the god of the Jews and Christians.

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Re: The Islamic Way
Reply #28 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 7:03pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 7:00pm:

Allah, is a very real 'god'.
....he exists, as an entity.

But he is not Yahweh!

Yahweh was actually a pagan god who became the 'sole' god of the universe. Allah or God in Islam is the same God. The Quran continually refers to Himself (God) as delivering the scriptures to the Jews and Christians. It's all in there. No secret.

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Reply #29 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 7:04pm

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 1:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 12:22pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:22am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:03am:

Kill those who don't believe in the Muzlim god. Just like Mombai and so many other places.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42766623

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

That's what Muhammad said, just before he slaughtered them

Only those who fought and killed the Muslims, FD.

You don't believe in self-defence??

Not according to Gandalf. According to him they were slaughtered for being a mindless collective of treacherous Jews. Muhammad killed 800 of them in one day. As far as I can tell they did not kill any Muslims and any fighting they actually did was in self defence when the Muslims attacked them. Muhammad decided who the "warriors" were by inspecting their genitals.

Even Muhammad warned them to convert or suffer that fate.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your spineless apologetics.

Where's your evidence that he massacred 800 Jews?? Sources?

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