Auggie wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 7:04pm:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza#Demise_of_the_Banu_Qurayza

Ibn Ishaq describes the killing of the Banu Qurayza men as follows:

Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka`b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, "Will you never understand? Don't you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!" This went on until the apostle made an end of them. Huyayy was brought out wearing a flowered robe in which he had made holes about the size of the finger-tips in every part so that it should not be taken from him as spoil, with his hands bound to his neck by a rope. When he saw the apostle he said, "By God, I do not blame myself for opposing you, but he who forsakes God will be forsaken." Then he went to the men and said, "God's command is right. A book and a decree, and massacre have been written against the Sons of Israel." Then he sat down and his head was struck off.[48][49][61]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Banu_Qurayza#Hadith_literature

According to Meir J. Kister all male members of the tribe who reached puberty were beheaded,[22] Ibn Kathir says those who did not reach adolescence were taken prisoners instead of being killed.[2] This is also mentioned in the Sunni hadith collection Abu Dawud:

Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayza. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.Sunan Abu Dawood, 38:4390

According to Mubrakpuri, Peters, Stillman, Guillaume and Inamdar, Islamic tradition says that the angel Gabriel and Muhammad spoke to one another before the attack.[1][14][15][16][17] This is also mentioned in the Sunni hadith collection Sahih Bukhari:

When Allah's Apostle returned on the day (of the battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench), he put down his arms and took a bath. Then Gabriel whose head was covered with dust, came to him saying, "You have put down your arms! By Allah, I have not put down my arms yet." Allah's Apostle said, "Where (to go now)?" Gabriel said, "This way," pointing towards the tribe of Bani Quraiza. So Allah's Apostle went out towards them .

Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:68

The event is also mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:57:66, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:57:66, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:68, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:59:443, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:59:44, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:280 and many others.

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ISLAM explained, plain and simple....

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Yadda wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 10:42pm:


You believe it's scientifically possible for a man to be resurrected from the dead?

Yadda wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 11:33am:


Yes, you are. And the NT affirms that. It is making a scientific claim.

Yadda wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 11:33am:


I'm sure that if you try hard enough, you can explain it.

Yadda wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 11:33am:


You don't have to be on any prescribed medications or drugs to be crazy, you know?

Yadda wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 11:33am:


You know that this was written before the Gospels were written? Paul the Apostle wrote 7 letters to different communities BEFORE the Gospels were written.

It all begins on the Road to Damascus where Paul had a vision of Christ. This vision then informed the rest of Christian theology. If Paul had seen and spoken with Jesus Christ then obviously he had died and then risen from the dead?? Right?? In fact, Paul was the second founder of Christianity; if it weren't for him, Christianity wouldn't have become so widespread.

So, Jesus dying and resurrecting from the dead? That was Paul's idea! We don't know what the earlier followers of Christ believed in; but it's most likely that they believed in the Jewish concept of the Messiah - a descendant of King David who would be born in the 'flesh' to rule over Israel.

Paul developed the idea of the 'Cosmic Christ' but this was not in accordance with the beliefs and practices of the early Christian community.

Therefore, Yadda, you are not a Christian, but a Pauline because you follow Paul's theology and beliefs.

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:


The massacre happened. The question is motive. Did Muhammad slaughter those people because they 'disbelieved' as you claim, or because they were a potential threat to the Muslim community? Can you be so sure that if Muhammad had live and let live, that those who surrendered wouldn't have sought revenge on the Muslim community? If you were the leader of a community and there was a continual threat looming down on you, don't you think that if you were savvy, you'd eliminate that threat as soon as possible, or would you wait until they built up strength??

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:


As stated above, it's weak leadership when you know that there are threats surrounding you, and you don't take action to eliminate those threats. As I've stated before, Muhammad engaged in pre-emptive warfare, which means you act your enemies based on a 'perceived' threat. His goal was to unite the Arabian peninsula. Do you think other tribal societies were going to let him just walk into their territory and do it??

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:


The details of the treaty don't matter. The fact that an enemy has broken a treaty is enough to warrant a pre-emptive strike.

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:


Muhammad wanted to build an empire, which involves killing and blood. The Arabian peninsula was extremely tribal, and Muhammad wanted to create a centralised political entity in the Arabian peninsula. He succeeded in doing so. Sure, were there still tribal elements.

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:


I never said anything about moral. Of course it was immoral what he did, but the Prophets of the Tanakh also committed many immoral acts. That's what tribalism was.

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:


1 Samuel 15 New International Version (NIV)

The Lord Rejects Saul as King

15 Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Long story short: Saul didn't do what Yahweh commanded, and then Yahweh reprimanded him for not slaughtering everything.

If you're argument is that this is not part of the Torah: here is another one, which talks about Moses:

"And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp; and Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle; and Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him; but all the women-children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."[147]

So, in this example, in the Torah, Moses commands the massacre of women and children because they worshiped another god.

AugCaesarustus wrote Reply #37 - Today at 12:08pm
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Which qur'an did you get that out of auggie?

It holds about as much water as your claim that allah isn't muhammads' revamped  moon god.

Christian doctrine says different:

Mary Magdalene
John 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
John20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

Mary The Mother Of James, Salome, And Joanna
Matthew 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Matthew28:10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

Simon and others
Luke 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luke 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luke 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

The Disciples - Thomas Absent
John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
John 20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD.
John 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

All Of The Disciples
John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Seven Disciples At The Sea Of Galilee
John 21:1 After these things Jesus shewed himself again to the disciples at the sea of Tiberias; and on this wise shewed he himself.
John 21:2 There were together Simon Peter, and Thomas called Didymus, and Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee, and two other of his disciples.

A Mountain In Galilee
Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Matthew 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Over Five Hundred People
1 Corinthians 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.).

James
1 Corinthians 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

Summary
The Bible says that Jesus made a number of appearances after His death. They were to a number of different people over a forty-day period. The Bible specifically says that on Easter Sunday Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene, the women that came to Jesus tomb, (Mary the Mother of James, Salome, and Joanna), Peter, and two disciples on the Emmaus road. He also appeared to the remainder of the Twelve Disciples with Thomas absent. Later he appeared to them with Thomas present. There was also an appearance to seven disciples on the Sea of Galilee. On another occasion he appeared to over five hundred people at the same time. There is also an appearance to James. Finally Jesus appeared to Saul of Tarsus - the man who became the Apostle Paul. These appearances convinced His disciples, beyond any doubt, that He had risen from the dead.

Auggie wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 12:08pm:


That "If" is the basis of the notion of Jesus as a kind of superhuman. Peter would have been aware of the susceptibility of the ignorant to such stories, and also their enthusiasm for magical powers of the old pagan deities. Once Jesus had been executed, Peter was left with a hard sell; the ideas of a deadman. It is probable that all of the superhuman capabilities were Peter's invention.

All of the God happenings of Biblical times still clung to today, the burning bush, the manufacture of the Ten Coms, Gabriel speaking to Moe, and even down to the book of Morman, are all cases of someone asking, "Would I lie to you?" Well, some may have been white lies, but a lie is lie.

I understand people with no education or knowledge of the world, and living in mud huts,  believing this stuff, but its time to man-up and face reality. Otherwise:

"Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird . . . It's a plane.

NO!!!! Its superpig!!! And he's flying, folks!"