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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	The Islamic Way Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:03am Kill those who don't believe in the Muzlim god. Just like Mombai and so many other places. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42766623
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: The Islamic Way Reply #1 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:22am issuevoter wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:03am: Kill those who don't believe in the Muzlim god. Just like Mombai and so many other places. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42766623 You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: The Islamic Way Reply #2 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 12:00pm As I always respond to statements about Gods: Prove it. And also I ask, how can you know what anyone has in their mind when they speak of God . . . fill out a questionnaire?
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Reply #3 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 12:22pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:22am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:03am:

Kill those who don't believe in the Muzlim god. Just like Mombai and so many other places.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42766623

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

That's what Muhammad said, just before he slaughtered them

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Reply #4 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 12:38pm

AugCaesarustus wrote Reply #1 - Today at 10:22am

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You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

Well as sure the sun rises between two sides of the head of the devil (or satan), they just keep trying to put islam up there with the founders of monotheism.

allah is a pagan moon god:

muhammad proclaimed: 'There is no god but allah,' he was not designating a new god. Pagan Arabs already worshipped a moon god called allah, in pre islamic times.

muhammad himself worshiped this pagan moon god.

The pre-islam moon god allah was regarded as the lord of the Ka'ba.

The moon god religion of the pre islamic Arabs, believed that caves, springs, and large stones were inhabited by spirits, capable of talking. .

Pre-islamic pagan Arabs prayed several times a day while bowing towards K'abah, the "house of allah" in Mecca that houses a meteorite - a rock from space -, visited it once a year, and walked around it several times during their visit, they kissed the black stone. (muhammad would have practiced all these as well, in his pre-islam pagan moon god days)

Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of allah” in pagan Arabia? Yes they were. "The Quraysh tribe into which Mohammad was born was particularly devoted to allah, the moon god, and especially to allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and allah." ... "The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant role in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah."

"Was the Kaaba the "house of the moon god"? YES!

Today 2018 what do muslims do to worship their moon god allah?

muslims pray bowing towards the K'abah in Mecca five times a day.

About two million muslims visit Mecca every year and walk around the K'abah, muslims still kiss the black stone.

The muslim "holy" month of ramadan starts at the sighting of a new crescent moon.

Perched atop mosques (and on most muslims flags) across the world is the crescent moon, the symbol of the moon god allah whom muhammad already worshipped and chose as the reinvented god of islam.

Are al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat the daughters of allah taught in the qur'an?

Yes verses 53.19: So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza? 53.20: And Manat, the third - the other one?

muslims believe in talking rocks, trees and flying donkies.

So there is no divergence from pagan moon god practices.

allah is a reinvented moon god.

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Reply #5 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 1:24pm

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 12:22pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:22am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:03am:

Kill those who don't believe in the Muzlim god. Just like Mombai and so many other places.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42766623

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

That's what Muhammad said, just before he slaughtered them

Only those who fought and killed the Muslims, FD.

You don't believe in self-defence??

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: The Islamic Way Reply #6 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 1:25pm moses wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 12:38pm: allah is a pagan moon god: Yes, you've espoused this nonsense before. And like before, it is complete nonsense. No religious scholar agrees with you. Unless you can quote me a well-known religious scholar who supports your claim.
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: The Islamic Way Reply #7 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 1:50pm Here's a couple for starters.here or here or here or here or here, the net is full of archeological historical and religious proof that islams' allah is the pagan moon god allah with the added attributes of hatred and evil.
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Reply #8 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 1:54pm

moses wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 1:50pm:

Here's a couple for starters.here or here or here or here or here, the net is full of archeological historical and religious proof that islams' allah is the pagan moon god allah with the added attributes of hatred and evil.

Not valid sources, Moses. You're going to have to do better than that.

Anti-Islamic sites are hardly 'academic'.

Keep espousing your bullshit theories.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: The Islamic Way Reply #9 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 2:15pm Oh dear if they show the evidence which refutes islam, they're anti islam. Gee you forgot islamophobic.
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: The Islamic Way Reply #10 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 2:19pm moses wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 2:15pm: Oh dear if they show the evidence which refutes islam, they're anti islam. Gee you forgot islamophobic. You have yet to show any 'evidence'. Just conspiracy theories.
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Reply #11 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 2:33pm

All right we're only going in circles.

I've shown the indisputable samenesses of islam and pagan moon god rituals. (kissing the black stone, praying towards Mecca, worshipping the daughters of the moon god allah, using the cresent moon symbol, walking around the black stone many times, running between hills, believing in talking rocks and trees, pilgrimage to Mecca etc.)

Tell me why did muhammad say the Jews and Christians had corrupted their books because they never mentioned allah?

Tell me why did muhammad lie and accuse Christians of associating partners with allah, when they were clearly talking about Y.H.W.H.?

Tell me why isn't allah mentioned in the writing of the Jews and Christians (except in muslim controlled countries where it would mean instant death not to say allah is god)?

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Reply #12 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 2:51pm

moses wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 2:33pm:

Tell me why did muhammad say the Jews and Christians had corrupted their books because they never mentioned allah?

Wrong. Muhammad said that Jews and Christians did worship God, but that their scriptures had been corrupted to turn away from God toward other things.

moses wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 2:33pm:

Tell me why did muhammad lie and accuse Christians of associating partners with allah, when they were clearly talking about Y.H.W.H.?

Even Jews at the time didn't refer God as YHWH. They either referred to Him as Adonai or Elohim, not Yahweh. YHHW was considered to be the meaning of 'I am what I am'.

Allah is a unique contraction of Al-Ilah, which means God; i.e. the supreme God of the universe.

According to Wikipedia:

"The word "Allah" was used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews in Arabia before the lifetime of Muhammad and is the translation of the phrase "The God" as used in their Greek scriptures to mean God.[9] It was also used by pre-Muslim Arab monotheists known as hanifs."[10]

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Reply #13 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 2:56pm

Those who claim that Allah is a pagan deity, most notably the moon god, often base their claims on the fact that a symbol of the crescent moon adorns the tops of many mosques and is widely used as a symbol of Islam. It is in fact true that before the coming of Islam many "gods" and idols were worshipped in the Middle East, but the name of the moon god was Sîn, not Allah, and he was not particularly popular in Arabia, the birthplace of Islam. The most prominent idol in Mecca was a god called Hubal, and there is no proof that he was a moon god. It is sometimes claimed that there is a temple to the moon god at Hazor in Palestine. This is based on a representation there of a supplicant wearing a crescent-like pendant. It is not clear, however, that the pendant symbolizes a moon god, and in any case this is not an Arab religious site but an ancient Canaanite site, which was destroyed by Joshua in about 1250 BC. ... If the ancient Arabs worshipped hundreds of idols, then no doubt the moon god Sîn was included, for even the Hebrews were prone to worship the sun and the moon and the stars, but there is no clear evidence that moon-worship was prominent among the Arabs in any way or that the crescent was used as the symbol of a moon god, and Allah was certainly not the moon god's name.[32]

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Reply #14 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 3:45pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:22am:

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

That, is a filthy moslem lie.

But of course, moslems would love for Christians [and Jews] to worship Allah, as being the God of the bible.

He isn't.

Google;
a different god allah

Google;
allah another god

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Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 1:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 12:22pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:22am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 6:03am:

Kill those who don't believe in the Muzlim god. Just like Mombai and so many other places.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42766623

You know the 'Muslim' God is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God???

That's what Muhammad said, just before he slaughtered them

Only those who fought and killed the Muslims, FD.

You don't believe in self-defence??

No, i don't believe in sef-defence augcaesarustus.

I believe in slaughtering everyone who will not bow down and worship Allah.

Coz, i'm a moslem.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509883266/40#40
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ISLAM's foundational religious texts, have plainly been interpreted by moslem scholars to indicate,
that those who have embraced ISLAM,
have embraced enmity, and hatred, and hostility and warfare and murder, towards those who reject ISLAM.

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past.

They are not dead letters.

They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

Google

Google;
we are pledging to wage war against all mankind, al-Tabari

augcaesarustus,

IMO, you are a deceiver and, an agent provocateur.

You have nothing of worth to contribute here.

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