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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42348	Sinful path? Jan 27^th, 2018 at 11:29am Meet the Indonesian mayor who refuses to bow to Islamist clerics
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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: Sinful path? Reply #1 - Jan 27^th, 2018 at 11:36am What do ya reckon, killed by religious lunatics before the end of February?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49400 At my desk.	Re: Sinful path? Reply #2 - Jan 27^th, 2018 at 12:06pm Are you allowed to have an opinion on this one Brian?
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Sinful path? Reply #3 - Jan 27^th, 2018 at 12:10pm Dead man walking.
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Sinful path? Reply #4 - Jan 28^th, 2018 at 3:26pm It's just so hard to believe, one of the most enlightened muslim countries (according to leftard apologists) acting like this. Who would have thought it?
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20748 Gordon Gender:	Re: Sinful path? Reply #5 - Jan 28^th, 2018 at 3:39pm Looks like another own goal.
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Sinful path? Reply #6 - Jan 28^th, 2018 at 5:29pm Lakemba? Auburn? What's the future hold for those?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96482	Re: Sinful path? Reply #7 - Jan 28^th, 2018 at 11:12pm freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2018 at 12:06pm: Are you allowed to have an opinion on this one Brian? Are you allowed to express opinions, FD? I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think.
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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #8 - Jan 28^th, 2018 at 11:29pm

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The Indonesian mayor who refuses to bow to hard-line Islamist clerics

By Indonesia correspondent David Lipson

Updated January 27, 2018

'Muslims shouldn't elect an infidel'

There is a bigger problem brewing at a nearby mosque, where cleric Asep Jumaludin is giving his Friday sermon.

"If you wrongly choose a leader you have committed sin," he tells the congregation.

"God has said that Muslims should not elect an infidel to be leader."

Outside, he makes it clear he was talking about Mr Dedi.

"Purwakarta was an Islamic region before, but now it's become the city of statues, in opposition to Islam," he says.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-27/the-indonesian-mayor-who-refuses-to-bow-to...

"God has said that Muslims should not elect an infidel to be leader."

Yep, that is what Allah has said.

'Joining' yourself with an infidel, is a mortal sin....

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Raven Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981 Around	Re: Sinful path? Reply #9 - Jan 29^th, 2018 at 2:22am BigOl64 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2018 at 11:36am: What do ya reckon, killed by religious lunatics before the end of February? Be stunned if he is alive by the start of February.
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polite_gandalf

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Reply #10 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:54pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2018 at 11:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2018 at 12:06pm:

Are you allowed to have an opinion on this one Brian?

Are you allowed to express opinions, FD?

I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think.

FD hounds Brian day after day with this same routine... apparently with a straight face while this same warrior of freedom, who believes it is his civic duty to defend against attacks on freedom wherever and whenever they occur - disappears into witness protection whenever the resident Islamophobes call for muslim's freedoms to be curbed.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #11 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 7:23am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2018 at 11:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2018 at 12:06pm:

Are you allowed to have an opinion on this one Brian?

Are you allowed to express opinions, FD?

I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think.

FD hounds Brian day after day with this same routine... apparently with a straight face while this same warrior of freedom, who believes it is his civic duty to defend against attacks on freedom wherever and whenever they occur - disappears into witness protection whenever the resident Islamophobes call for muslim's freedoms to be curbed.

Now that's not entirely true, is it Gandalf? I'll get you started:

except.....

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Sinful path? Reply #12 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 10:38am lets start with my signature FD. Now off you go, scurry off
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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #13 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 10:38am:

lets start with my signature FD.

Now off you go, scurry off

Yes, good idea, let's start with your signature.

Are Muslims supportive of liberal democratic, British-derived political and social institutions in Australia?

Are they supportive of individual freedoms, democratic law-making or are they supportive of sharia?

Displaying signs of sharia-compliant lives - beards in a certain way, women covered in a certain way - those Muslims are DEMONSTRATING their preference for sharia over liberal democracy.

There is no reconciliation, only enmity, between individual freedoms and sharia.

So displaying the signs of sharia is displaying opposition to liberal democracy, individual freedom and worth, freedom from Mohammed imposed dogma. There is absolutely nothing about sharia that is a private spiritual consideration to be respected by principles of freedom of religion. Sharia undermines and stands in opposition to every tenet of individual freedom of any kind.

So your signature captures the truth of Islamic ideology and its concerted efforts to undermine and overthrow enlightenment, Christian, liberal, atheist, agnostic - in a word - FREE societies. Islam is the self-identified enemy of freedom, its very meaning, Submission, is the antithesis of freedom.i

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Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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Brian Ross

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Reply #14 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:30pm

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 10:38am:

lets start with my signature FD.

Now off you go, scurry off

Yes, good idea, let's start with your signature.

Are Muslims supportive of liberal democratic, British-derived political and social institutions in Australia?

Are they supportive of individual freedoms, democratic law-making or are they supportive of sharia?

Displaying signs of sharia-compliant lives - beards in a certain way, women covered in a certain way - those Muslims are DEMONSTRATING their preference for sharia over liberal democracy.

There is no reconciliation, only enmity, between individual freedoms and sharia.

So displaying the signs of sharia is displaying opposition to liberal democracy, individual freedom and worth, freedom from Mohammed imposed dogma. There is absolutely nothing about sharia that is a private spiritual consideration to be respected by principles of freedom of religion. Sharia undermines and stands in opposition to every tenet of individual freedom of any kind.

So your signature captures the truth of Islamic ideology and its concerted efforts to undermine and overthrow enlightenment, Christian, liberal, atheist, agnostic - in a word - FREE societies. Islam is the self-identified enemy of freedom, its very meaning, Submission, is the antithesis of freedom.

If you have evidence that all Australian Muslims are not supportive of liberal-democratic values, please post it, Soren.

Oh, you don't? How unsurprising, hey? Islamophobic bigot. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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