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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #30 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:

So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated? Mmmm? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims.

Most Muslims aren't suggesting any. All they want is equal treatment. Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

They HAVE equal treatment. They want Islamic concessions.

Imagine if we treated Muslims in the West as Muslims treat the kufar in Muslim countries. You could squeal then. But not now.

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Reply #31 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:21pm

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:

So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated? Mmmm? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims.

Most Muslims aren't suggesting any. All they want is equal treatment. Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

They HAVE equal treatment. They want Islamic concessions.

Imagine if we treated Muslims in the West as Muslims treat the kufar in Muslim countries. You could squeal then. But not now.

Muslims in Australia do not want unequal treatment, in the main, Soren. No matter how much you claim that all Muslims seek special treatment, the facts suggest otherwise. All Muslims desire is that their religion have the equal respect that Christianity/Judaism have.

What is amazing is that you're not attacking Hindus or Buddhists or Sikhs who have asked the same thing, Soren. Your persecution is centred solely on the Muslims for some reason. Perhaps it's your Islamophobia? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47772 Gender:	Re: Sinful path? Reply #32 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:38pm Muslims want an Ummah, a caliphate, sharia law, they want to spread Islam, they self--segregate and they cause division everywhere. Islam wants submission.
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Reply #33 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:

Whomever claimed all Muslims support Liberal Democratic values.

We know all (nominal) Christians don't, either.

Look at yourself.

Look at Freediver.

Look at Herbie.

Look at Moses, Yadda, etc.

So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?

1 Peter 2:13
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8
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Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal.

We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law.

Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve.

Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society.

SUGGESTION;
If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia.

Act within the law.

Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

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ISLAM, and what ISLAM always teaches, to its followers,
about the followers of ISLAM accepting pluralism......

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IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior

January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims

London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Google,
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

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A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

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July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself:

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them"
(Qur'an 3:28).

In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #35 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:21pm:

All Muslims desire is that their religion have the equal respect that Christianity/Judaism have.

That is simply not true.

For another consecutive year in a row, Egypt proves to be an inhospitable place for Christians, namely its most indigenous inhabitants, the Copts. According to Open Doors, a human rights organization that closely follows the treatment of Christians around the world, “Although Christianity has deep roots in Egypt going back centuries before the advent of Islam in North Africa, Christians are often marginalized and treated as second class citizens in modern Egypt.”[1] Accordingly, Egypt is ranked as the 17th worst nation (out of nearly 200) wherein to be Christian; there, Christians experience “very high” level of “persecution.”

https://www.copticsolidarity.org/2018/01/24/egypts-christians-suffering-from-ver...

There is no Western occupation or war in Egypt. They are one of the largest recipients of Western, especially American foreign aid. The persecution of Copts is entirely due to Islam in Egypt.

As far as non-political religious practice in mosques, there is absolutely no difference between the religious freedoms of anyone in Australia or across the West. You cannot say they same for Muslim countries, not Egypt, not any Arab country, not Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran. And the difference is entirely due to Islam itself.

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Reply #36 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 5:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:21pm:

Muslims in Australia do not want unequal treatment, in the main, Soren. No matter how much you claim that all Muslims seek special treatment, the facts suggest otherwise.

All Muslims desire is that their religion have the equal respect that Christianity/Judaism have.

Yes, AUSTRALIANS, respect our religion,
or else, we will kill you!

'Aussie' moslems simply want the right to practice their religion,
.....WITHOUT HINDRANCE FROM AUSTRALIAN, OR AUSTRALIAN AUTHORITIES.

Honest!

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Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

Here we see the moslem community in Australia, demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

Moslems demanding their 'human right' to exercise the 'freedom of religion' of the moslem.

THE RIGHT OF THE MOSLEM [which is set out within ISLAMIC law!], to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

QUESTION;

How many of those persons who took part in that moslem street protest in Sydney, Australia, TO INCITE RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY, AND RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE, AND MURDER, were ever identified, charged and brought before a court of law ? !!

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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:21pm:

What is amazing is that you're not attacking Hindus or Buddhists or Sikhs who have asked the same thing, Soren.

Your persecution is centred solely on the Muslims for some reason.

QUESTION;
Why are Australians persecuting moslems !!! ?

When we can all see, that the followers of ISLAM who are living in Australia simply want their right,
in Australia,
to enjoy >>>freedom of religion<<<,
behind closed doors,
in order to teach their children how to practice ISLAM.

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This LAWLESSNESS, being promoted among ISLAM's followers, is occurring in Australia.

You will witness, good 'Aussie' moslems,
in Australia,
behind closed doors,
teaching their children how to practice ISLAM.....

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"You're never too young to be a homicidal maniac for Allah!"

- 'Aussie' moslem child, being taught 'how to practice ISLAM', in Australia.

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Muslims brainwash children in Australia

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14
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'Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her'

QUESTION;
Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?

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Reply #37 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 5:31pm

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:38pm:

Muslims want an Ummah, a caliphate, sharia law, they want to spread Islam, they self--segregate and they cause division everywhere. Islam wants submission.

How interesting, you cannot discover what Australian Muslims desire so you quote videos about British Muslims. Tsk, tsk, Soren, tsk, tsk. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

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Reply #38 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 6:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:

So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated? Mmmm? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims.

Most Muslims aren't suggesting any. All they want is equal treatment. Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

They want to be able to justify genocide and promote fascism, without criticism. That is not equal treatment. That is special treatment.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:21pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:

So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated? Mmmm? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims.

Most Muslims aren't suggesting any. All they want is equal treatment. Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

They HAVE equal treatment. They want Islamic concessions.

Imagine if we treated Muslims in the West as Muslims treat the kufar in Muslim countries. You could squeal then. But not now.

Muslims in Australia do not want unequal treatment, in the main, Soren. No matter how much you claim that all Muslims seek special treatment, the facts suggest otherwise. All Muslims desire is that their religion have the equal respect that Christianity/Judaism have.

What is amazing is that you're not attacking Hindus or Buddhists or Sikhs who have asked the same thing, Soren. Your persecution is centred solely on the Muslims for some reason. Perhaps it's your Islamophobia? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

It is a BS religion, undeserving of respect. Thus, they are demanding special treatment - that their religion be judged not on it's merits, but on the merits of other religions.

And since when do people respect Christianity? The Life of Brian came out decades ago. Try doing that to Islam, and you won't live long, no matter where you hide. Muslims demand superiority, not just equality, for a religion that is inferior in every meaningful measure.

Do you have the right or ability to criticise Islam Brian?

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Reply #39 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 8:31pm

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:38pm:

Muslims want an Ummah, a caliphate, sharia law, they want to spread Islam, they self--segregate and they cause division everywhere. Islam wants submission.

The fault is entirely that of the British politicians. It's they who initiated this immigration stream and encouraged a policy of non-assimilation to the effect of what we see today ~ urban outposts of Pakistan colonisation all over Britain.

Unfortunately, when 'race riots' (against Muslims) break out all over Britain, as it inevitably will at some time in the future, the English combatants will have their own politicians furthest from their minds.

The first people to be targeted in any civil conflict should be the politicians of the past 50 years who knowingly and with aforethought brought about this situation through social engineering.

They should be hanged as traitors to the British people.

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Reply #40 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 5:31pm:

How interesting, you cannot discover what Australian Muslims desire so you quote videos about British Muslims. Tsk, tsk, Soren, tsk, tsk. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

You have said repeatedly that you know nothing about Islam and Muslims - so how would you know if Muslims in Britain are different to Muslims in Australia??
These mulims all come from the same places to Britain and Australia so they are the same Muslims.

You are a Christanophone and a phobe of many other views of the world. Why can't I hate any ideology, including Islam.

What is so sacred about Islam for you, Bwian al Binliner? Roll Eyes

tsk, tsk.

You are stupid, you are inconsistent, you are spineless, idiotic, self-contradictory, you lie. Mail order doctorate material. AND YOU BOAST about your mail order doctorate. But think critically??? You'd rather die.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42348	Re: Sinful path? Reply #41 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:49pm Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:21pm: All Muslims desire is that their religion have the equal respect that Christianity/Judaism have. That is simply not true. Evidence of this in Australia, Soren. Not overseas. Tsk, tsk. i
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Reply #42 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:51pm

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 6:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:

So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated? Mmmm? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims.

Most Muslims aren't suggesting any. All they want is equal treatment. Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

They want to be able to justify genocide and promote fascism, without criticism. That is not equal treatment. That is special treatment.

Unlike the Christians and the Jews, hey, Freediver?

Run along. I hear your Islamophobic playmates are calling you from the playground. Roll Eyes

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Reply #43 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:56pm

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 5:31pm:

How interesting, you cannot discover what Australian Muslims desire so you quote videos about British Muslims. Tsk, tsk, Soren, tsk, tsk. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

You have said repeatedly that you know nothing about Islam and Muslims - so how would you know if Muslims in Britain are different to Muslims in Australia??

'cause I have served with/studied with/taught and work with Muslims on a daily basis, Soren. Grow up. I am quite willing to admit my ignorance about the finer points of Muslim theology but I do know and understand the broad outline of the religion. Unlike you, who's only knowledge is the propaganda that you swallow (apparently daily) from the neo-Nazis you hang around with. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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These mulims all come from the same places to Britain and Australia so they are the same Muslims.

Actually they aren't. The majority of British Muslims come from the Indian sub-continent. The majority of Australian Muslims come from SE Asia and SW Asia.

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Reply #44 - Feb 4^th, 2018 at 12:02am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:56pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 5:31pm:

How interesting, you cannot discover what Australian Muslims desire so you quote videos about British Muslims. Tsk, tsk, Soren, tsk, tsk. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

You have said repeatedly that you know nothing about Islam and Muslims - so how would you know if Muslims in Britain are different to Muslims in Australia??

'cause I have served with/studied with/taught and work with Muslims on a daily basis, Soren. Grow up. I am quite willing to admit my ignorance about the finer points of Muslim theology but I do know and understand the broad outline of the religion. Unlike you, who's only knowledge is the propaganda that you swallow (apparently daily) from the neo-Nazis you hang around with. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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These mulims all come from the same places to Britain and Australia so they are the same Muslims.

Actually they aren't. The majority of British Muslims come from the Indian sub-continent. The majority of Australian Muslims come from SE Asia and SW Asia.

What's the difference between Islam in Araby, Pakiland and Indonesia? Different Koran? Different Mo-hammered? No.

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