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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #75 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 5:45pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:59am:

Frank wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 6:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 12:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 10:42pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"?

Persecuting Muslims is not giving Muslims the rights they deserve, FD. Something you are very good at doing. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

What rights am I denying Muslims Brian? The right to equal respect for Islam?

The rights to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Religion, FD.

Muslims have these rights in the West (not in Muslim countries, not to mention non-Muslims in those countries).

However, there is no Right to be Respected, Bwian, that has to be earned.
Nor a Right not to be Offended. Muslims feel murderously offended by what other Muslims do or say, never mind us - and I don't mean you when I say us - kuffars.

Frank likes to have a bob each way on this moral issue. On the one hand he cynically invokes the notion of western freedom to denote his superior moral identity, while at the same time he attacks that very ideal with statements like the one in my signature.

For the simple reason that Islam is the enemy of every single Western freedom.

DO notice that you are perfectly free to spout Islamic crap, nobody stops you. But you overstep the limit when you want people to refrain from criticising and dismiss your Islamic propaganda.

You simply use Western freedoms to spread anti-Western, submission propaganda and call it Islamophobia when people don't go along with your expansionist demands to tolerate your intolerance of freedom.

Why do Muslims come to the West and demand the right to re-create the Islamic shitholes they supposedly fled? Why don't all those hijabis and niqabis and bearded mutts flocking to Muslim countries? There are dozens of them, there must be a few that are not complete stink holes, no?

No.

They all want to go to the despised kuffar's countries and demand to be accommodated by a system they despise. Your hypocrisy is stupendous.

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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #76 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 2:07pm:

FD can you remember the last time you spoke out against the incessant attacks on muslim's freedoms? Serious question. Was it the burqa defense 5+ years ago? Are you appalled by the quote contained in my signature? Do you agree that its spineless apologism for the most flagrant of attacks on freedom?

About what Brian says, just one example, you advocate a religiously discriminatory immigration test, which involves targeting "people who appear muslim". You justified it with the "I'm only targeting political ideology - and since Islam is only political ideology, its ok" defense.

You have also expressed a willingness to join the attacks on muslim's freedoms if the terrorists can't be brought into line. So much for your "must defend even those we most oppose" mantra eh?

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dear Gandalf,
we're afraid of terrorists - that's all.
Don't try and over complicate it.

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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #77 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:50pm

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 12:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 11:14pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 7:23pm:

How am I doing that Brian?

By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally. You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

Are you saying that criticising Muslims is the same as denying them the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?

Criticism, if it is valid, is OK, FD. Invalid criticism, based around fear mongering and hatred? No, that is not OK.

When you work out the difference, we might be able to discuss this more fully. Until then, I recommend you just keep banging those rocks together, OK? Roll Eyes

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freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 7:23pm:

How am I doing that Brian?

By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally. You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection.

Gandalf do you agree with Brian?

How do you go from someone defending freedom of dress to them being complicit in attacks on freedom of dress? Is this the same logic you use in 'interpreting' the Quran?

The point is, FD, that you are assuming that you defending freedom of dress by attacking Muslim women who may well have chosen, themselves, completely independently from men, how they should dress. You fail to understand that "freedom of dress" means well, freedom to dress how a person likes - which includes dressing in a Burqa if they desire. You are clearly imposing your views on the person who chooses to dress in that way. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #78 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:54pm

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:

For the simple reason that Islam is the enemy of every single Western freedom.

In your opinion, perhaps. I feel that all religion is an enemy of freedom, Soren. However, I also respect that it is an individual's choice whether they believe in a religion or not. You don't speak out against any other religion, therefore it appears you are frightened, nay, terrified of Islam and Islam alone. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #79 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:50pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 12:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 11:14pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 7:23pm:

How am I doing that Brian?

By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally. You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

Are you saying that criticising Muslims is the same as denying them the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?

Criticism, if it is valid, is OK, FD. Invalid criticism, based around fear mongering and hatred? No, that is not OK.

And who decides which criticism is valid? Someone who has no right or ability to criticise Islam?

If you decide my criticism is invalid, does that mean I am denying Muslims the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:50pm:

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polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 11:14pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 7:23pm:

How am I doing that Brian?

By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally. You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection.

Gandalf do you agree with Brian?

How do you go from someone defending freedom of dress to them being complicit in attacks on freedom of dress? Is this the same logic you use in 'interpreting' the Quran?

The point is, FD, that you are assuming that you defending freedom of dress by attacking Muslim women who may well have chosen, themselves, completely independently from men, how they should dress. You fail to understand that "freedom of dress" means well, freedom to dress how a person likes - which includes dressing in a Burqa if they desire. You are clearly imposing your views on the person who chooses to dress in that way. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

How am I attacking them Brian?

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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #80 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:28pm

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:

Why do Muslims come to the West and demand the right to re-create the Islamic shitholes they supposedly fled? Why don't all those hijabis and niqabis and bearded mutts flocking to Muslim countries? There are dozens of them, there must be a few that are not complete stink holes, no?

No.

They all want to go to the despised kuffar's countries and demand to be accommodated by a system they despise. Your hypocrisy is stupendous.

I doubt the ones who actually come here despise us. No seriously. The vast majority don't bring backward culture here and demand the caliphate or whatever. Yet you see a few harmless hijabs and funny beards, and you make that utterly ridiculous assumption. Shame on you. There is no discussion to be had with you, its nothing but pure bigotry. tsk tsk rolls eyes yawn

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Reply #81 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 9:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:54pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:

For the simple reason that Islam is the enemy of every single Western freedom.

In your opinion, perhaps. I feel that all religion is an enemy of freedom, Soren. However, I also respect that it is an individual's choice whether they believe in a religion or not. You don't speak out against any other religion, therefore it appears you are frightened, nay, terrified of Islam and Islam alone. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

We all notice - even you, thicko-- that what you said is in no way a refutation or denial of what I sad: Islam is the enemy of every Western freedom. That these freedoms have other enemues g as no impiirtance as regards the truth of what I said and what is common knowledge.

You rally against whatever threat you perceive to Western freedoms. To me, Islam is a big threat so I call it. If you think Buddhists or Sikhs are a big threat, you are free to say that.

You will look like the stupid ass you always do but at least it's your call, once again. You make yourself laughable, nobody else.

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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #82 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 9:33pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:28pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:

Why do Muslims come to the West and demand the right to re-create the Islamic shitholes they supposedly fled? Why don't all those hijabis and niqabis and bearded mutts flocking to Muslim countries? There are dozens of them, there must be a few that are not complete stink holes, no?

No.

They all want to go to the despised kuffar's countries and demand to be accommodated by a system they despise. Your hypocrisy is stupendous.

I doubt the ones who actually come here despise us. No seriously. The vast majority don't bring backward culture here and demand the caliphate or whatever. Yet you see a few harmless hijabs and funny beards, and you make that utterly ridiculous assumption. Shame on you. There is no discussion to be had with you, its nothing but pure bigotry. tsk tsk rolls eyes yawn

Not a few.

Far too many. You Muslims continue to oppress and bully and threaten each other when you come to the West.

The Hizbies, the Hezbollahs, the Hamas supporters, the various fundamentalist crazies in pajamas and beards wouldn't be positively thriving if you were speaking the truth. But you are lying once again.

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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #83 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:07pm

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 9:28pm:

We all notice - even you, thicko-- that what you said is in no way a refutation or denial of what I sad: Islam is the enemy of every Western freedom. That these freedoms have other enemues g as no impiirtance as regards the truth of what I said and what is common knowledge.

You rally against whatever threat you perceive to Western freedoms. To me, Islam is a big threat so I call it. If you think Buddhists or Sikhs are a big threat, you are free to say that.

You will look like the stupid ass you always do but at least it's your call, once again. You make yourself laughable, nobody else.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Looks like your little child has been let out again, Soren. Out with the ad hominem argument rather than making any real sense. Look, you run along back to the playground. I'm sure your Islamophobic friends will appreciate your efforts. Tsk, tsk, it really is quite pointless it seems though, to me. You hate Islam because you fear Muslims. You are an Islamophobe. Run along go and play with your friends. Roll Eyes

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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #84 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:17pm

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:28pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:

Why do Muslims come to the West and demand the right to re-create the Islamic shitholes they supposedly fled? Why don't all those hijabis and niqabis and bearded mutts flocking to Muslim countries? There are dozens of them, there must be a few that are not complete stink holes, no?

No.

They all want to go to the despised kuffar's countries and demand to be accommodated by a system they despise. Your hypocrisy is stupendous.

I doubt the ones who actually come here despise us. No seriously. The vast majority don't bring backward culture here and demand the caliphate or whatever. Yet you see a few harmless hijabs and funny beards, and you make that utterly ridiculous assumption. Shame on you. There is no discussion to be had with you, its nothing but pure bigotry. tsk tsk rolls eyes yawn

Not a few.

Far too many. You Muslims continue to oppress and bully and threaten each other when you come to the West.

The Hizbies, the Hezbollahs, the Hamas supporters, the various fundamentalist crazies in pajamas and beards wouldn't be positively thriving if you were speaking the truth. But you are lying once again.

They banned Gandalf from Aussie Muslims.

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Reply #85 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:27pm

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:50pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 12:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 11:14pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 7:23pm:

How am I doing that Brian?

By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally. You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

Are you saying that criticising Muslims is the same as denying them the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?

Criticism, if it is valid, is OK, FD. Invalid criticism, based around fear mongering and hatred? No, that is not OK.

And who decides which criticism is valid? Someone who has no right or ability to criticise Islam?

If you decide my criticism is invalid, does that mean I am denying Muslims the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. FD, tell me, have you ever accepted any view other than your own about Muslims and Islam? Any at all? Have you ever admitted you were wrong in your unending criticism?

I suspect not.

The people who decide whether your criticism is valid or not are your audience. If you were brave enough, you'd be making your criticisms on an Islamic website, not a non-Islamic one like here. Then, what sort of reception do you think you'd receive? The validity of your arguments leave a great deal to be desired. A great deal.

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polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 11:14pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 7:23pm:

How am I doing that Brian?

By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally. You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection.

Gandalf do you agree with Brian?

How do you go from someone defending freedom of dress to them being complicit in attacks on freedom of dress? Is this the same logic you use in 'interpreting' the Quran?

The point is, FD, that you are assuming that you defending freedom of dress by attacking Muslim women who may well have chosen, themselves, completely independently from men, how they should dress. You fail to understand that "freedom of dress" means well, freedom to dress how a person likes - which includes dressing in a Burqa if they desire. You are clearly imposing your views on the person who chooses to dress in that way. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

How am I attacking them Brian?

By claiming that their decision to wear a Burqa is imposed on them without regard to whether it actually is or not. You are effectively declaring that their opinion is meaningless. To you, they are being oppressed. You've never asked a Muslim woman if she feels she is being oppressed. You've never asked them if someone made them wear a Burqa. You have absolutely no idea what is going on in the minds of Muslim women. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #86 - Feb 7^th, 2018 at 9:51am

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:28pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:

Why do Muslims come to the West and demand the right to re-create the Islamic shitholes they supposedly fled? Why don't all those hijabis and niqabis and bearded mutts flocking to Muslim countries? There are dozens of them, there must be a few that are not complete stink holes, no?

No.

They all want to go to the despised kuffar's countries and demand to be accommodated by a system they despise. Your hypocrisy is stupendous.

I doubt the ones who actually come here despise us. No seriously. The vast majority don't bring backward culture here and demand the caliphate or whatever. Yet you see a few harmless hijabs and funny beards, and you make that utterly ridiculous assumption. Shame on you. There is no discussion to be had with you, its nothing but pure bigotry. tsk tsk rolls eyes yawn

Not a few.

Far too many. You Muslims continue to oppress and bully and threaten each other when you come to the West.

The Hizbies, the Hezbollahs, the Hamas supporters, the various fundamentalist crazies in pajamas and beards wouldn't be positively thriving if you were speaking the truth. But you are lying once again.

Your position might actually be a bit more palatable if you didn't insist on making the bigoted connection between sinister intentions and choice of clothing. See how you effortlessly and seamlessly oscilate between 'too many hijabs/beards' and 'fundamental crazies' who just want to bully and threaten?

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Re: Sinful path?
Reply #87 - Feb 7^th, 2018 at 12:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:27pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:50pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 12:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 11:14pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 7:23pm:

How am I doing that Brian?

By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally. You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

Are you saying that criticising Muslims is the same as denying them the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?

Criticism, if it is valid, is OK, FD. Invalid criticism, based around fear mongering and hatred? No, that is not OK.

And who decides which criticism is valid? Someone who has no right or ability to criticise Islam?

If you decide my criticism is invalid, does that mean I am denying Muslims the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. FD, tell me, have you ever accepted any view other than your own about Muslims and Islam? Any at all? Have you ever admitted you were wrong in your unending criticism?

I suspect not.

The people who decide whether your criticism is valid or not are your audience. If you were brave enough, you'd be making your criticisms on an Islamic website, not a non-Islamic one like here. Then, what sort of reception do you think you'd receive? The validity of your arguments leave a great deal to be desired. A great deal.

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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:50pm:

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polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 11:14pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 7:23pm:

How am I doing that Brian?

By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally. You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims. Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection.

Gandalf do you agree with Brian?

How do you go from someone defending freedom of dress to them being complicit in attacks on freedom of dress? Is this the same logic you use in 'interpreting' the Quran?

The point is, FD, that you are assuming that you defending freedom of dress by attacking Muslim women who may well have chosen, themselves, completely independently from men, how they should dress. You fail to understand that "freedom of dress" means well, freedom to dress how a person likes - which includes dressing in a Burqa if they desire. You are clearly imposing your views on the person who chooses to dress in that way. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

How am I attacking them Brian?

By claiming that their decision to wear a Burqa is imposed on them without regard to whether it actually is or not. You are effectively declaring that their opinion is meaningless. To you, they are being oppressed. You've never asked a Muslim woman if she feels she is being oppressed. You've never asked them if someone made them wear a Burqa. You have absolutely no idea what is going on in the minds of Muslim women. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

So merely by having a few spineless apologists disagree with what I say, I am denying Muslims the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion? Is this idiocy really what you think Brian?

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