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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19052 Gender:	Re: Iranian women remove their veils Reply #45 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:03pm moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote: Reply #42 - Today at 3:47pm Quote: 'Veil' isn't in the Quran . Brackets, or no brackets. The Quran doesn't instruct women to wear veils. OH I beg to differ. . The Muhsin Khan translations mention veils in the Quran.
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Reply #46 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:18pm

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote: Reply #42 - Today at 3:47pm
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'Veil' isn't in the Quran .

Brackets, or no brackets.

The Quran doesn't instruct women to wear veils.

OH I beg to differ.

qur'an 24.31. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.

Begging will get you nowhere.

The Quran does NOT instruct women to wear veils.

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Reply #47 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote: Quote:

The Quran does NOT instruct women to wear veils.

qur'an 24.31. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.

It seems you're wrong.

Oh have I thanked you for showing us how muslims are instructed to rape women in the qur'an, you know the excuse that allah is forgiving the woman for being raped is, well shall we say bullshit?

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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #48 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:32pm

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote: Quote:

The Quran does NOT instruct women to wear veils.

qur'an 24.31. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.

It seems you're wrong.

Oh have I thanked you for showing us how muslims are instructed to rape women in the qur'an, you know the excuse that allah is forgiving the woman for being raped is, well shall we say bullshit?

The Quran does NOT instruct women to wear veils.

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Reply #49 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:01pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 2:57pm:

I have no idea, a bad (according to you) mistake, I admit that my copy is not exactly as the original.

However I see that verse 24.31 and the hadith uses the word veil, I'm convinced that veil is indeed a part of enforced islamic dress code for women.

Good to see that you have shown us how the excuse that allah is forgiving the women for being raped is untrue, muslims are taught it's legitimate to rape women.

If it is "enforced", Moses, why then do so many Muslim women not wear them? Few if the Muslim women I know wear a Hijab or a Burqa or Niqab. Strange, I must say for an "enforced" item of wear... Are they all apostates? Really? Roll Eyes

What about those who believe they’ll burn for eternity if they don’t wear it? Or those who are killed for not wearing it?

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Iranian women remove their veils Reply #50 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:35pm Quote: The Quran does NOT instruct women to wear veils. But it does say muslim men can rape women? allah will forgive them?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 140988 Gender:	Re: Iranian women remove their veils Reply #51 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 5:10pm moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:35pm: Quote: The Quran does NOT instruct women to wear veils. But it does say muslim men can rape women? allah will forgive them? Are you thinking of converting?
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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #53 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 5:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:18pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote: Reply #42 - Today at 3:47pm
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'Veil' isn't in the Quran .

Brackets, or no brackets.

The Quran doesn't instruct women to wear veils.

OH I beg to differ.

qur'an 24.31. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.

Begging will get you nowhere.

The Quran does NOT instruct women to wear veils.

You stupid back door deirdre.

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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #54 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 5:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:47pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:16pm:

Well O.K. I didn't make a mistake.

Can you tell us which bits in the qur'an are true: the verse where veil is in brackets, or the verse with veil not in brackets?

Is veil used in the hadith?

Oh once again, heartfelt thanks that you have shown us how the excuse that allah is forgiving the women for being raped is untrue, muslims are taught it's legitimate to rape women.

'Veil' isn't in the Quran .

Brackets, or no brackets.

The Quran doesn't instruct women to wear veils.

Ignorant back door deirdre.

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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #55 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:27pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:01pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 2:57pm:

I have no idea, a bad (according to you) mistake, I admit that my copy is not exactly as the original.

However I see that verse 24.31 and the hadith uses the word veil, I'm convinced that veil is indeed a part of enforced islamic dress code for women.

Good to see that you have shown us how the excuse that allah is forgiving the women for being raped is untrue, muslims are taught it's legitimate to rape women.

If it is "enforced", Moses, why then do so many Muslim women not wear them? Few if the Muslim women I know wear a Hijab or a Burqa or Niqab. Strange, I must say for an "enforced" item of wear... Are they all apostates? Really? Roll Eyes

What about those who believe they’ll burn for eternity if they don’t wear it? Or those who are killed for not wearing it?

Victims of a misunderstanding of the instructions? Perhaps they need to reread them? The women are not to blame. The perpetrators of those crimes are, I'd suggest, Augie.

How about you? Do you think it's actually an "enforced" item of wear for all Muslim women?

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Reply #56 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:01pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 2:57pm:

I have no idea, a bad (according to you) mistake, I admit that my copy is not exactly as the original.

However I see that verse 24.31 and the hadith uses the word veil, I'm convinced that veil is indeed a part of enforced islamic dress code for women.

Good to see that you have shown us how the excuse that allah is forgiving the women for being raped is untrue, muslims are taught it's legitimate to rape women.

If it is "enforced", Moses, why then do so many Muslim women not wear them? Few if the Muslim women I know wear a Hijab or a Burqa or Niqab. Strange, I must say for an "enforced" item of wear... Are they all apostates? Really? Roll Eyes

Just a bump, for Moses. It's interesting that he has ignored the question. Could it be because it challenges his Islamophobic bigotry? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #57 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:27pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:01pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 2:57pm:

I have no idea, a bad (according to you) mistake, I admit that my copy is not exactly as the original.

However I see that verse 24.31 and the hadith uses the word veil, I'm convinced that veil is indeed a part of enforced islamic dress code for women.

Good to see that you have shown us how the excuse that allah is forgiving the women for being raped is untrue, muslims are taught it's legitimate to rape women.

If it is "enforced", Moses, why then do so many Muslim women not wear them? Few if the Muslim women I know wear a Hijab or a Burqa or Niqab. Strange, I must say for an "enforced" item of wear... Are they all apostates? Really? Roll Eyes

What about those who believe they’ll burn for eternity if they don’t wear it? Or those who are killed for not wearing it?

Victims of a misunderstanding of the instructions? Perhaps they need to reread them? The women are not to blame. The perpetrators of those crimes are, I'd suggest, Augie.

How about you? Do you think it's actually an "enforced" item of wear for all Muslim women?

A misunderstanding?? Was the holocaust a misunderstanding??

Women in some countries are forced to wear it. Many others endure familial and social pressure to wear them.

Here's a question: why don't men wear the headscarfe?

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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #58 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:55pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:27pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:01pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 2:57pm:

I have no idea, a bad (according to you) mistake, I admit that my copy is not exactly as the original.

However I see that verse 24.31 and the hadith uses the word veil, I'm convinced that veil is indeed a part of enforced islamic dress code for women.

Good to see that you have shown us how the excuse that allah is forgiving the women for being raped is untrue, muslims are taught it's legitimate to rape women.

If it is "enforced", Moses, why then do so many Muslim women not wear them? Few if the Muslim women I know wear a Hijab or a Burqa or Niqab. Strange, I must say for an "enforced" item of wear... Are they all apostates? Really? Roll Eyes

What about those who believe they’ll burn for eternity if they don’t wear it? Or those who are killed for not wearing it?

Victims of a misunderstanding of the instructions? Perhaps they need to reread them? The women are not to blame. The perpetrators of those crimes are, I'd suggest, Augie.

How about you? Do you think it's actually an "enforced" item of wear for all Muslim women?

A misunderstanding?? Was the holocaust a misunderstanding??

Women in some countries are forced to wear it. Many others endure familial and social pressure to wear them.

Here's a question: why don't men wear the headscarfe?

Men and women in this country are forced to wear clothes in public.

Try going to Woolworths tomorrow morning with no pants on, and see how long you last.

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Reply #59 - Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 7:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:55pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:27pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:01pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 2:57pm:

I have no idea, a bad (according to you) mistake, I admit that my copy is not exactly as the original.

However I see that verse 24.31 and the hadith uses the word veil, I'm convinced that veil is indeed a part of enforced islamic dress code for women.

Good to see that you have shown us how the excuse that allah is forgiving the women for being raped is untrue, muslims are taught it's legitimate to rape women.

If it is "enforced", Moses, why then do so many Muslim women not wear them? Few if the Muslim women I know wear a Hijab or a Burqa or Niqab. Strange, I must say for an "enforced" item of wear... Are they all apostates? Really? Roll Eyes

What about those who believe they’ll burn for eternity if they don’t wear it? Or those who are killed for not wearing it?

Victims of a misunderstanding of the instructions? Perhaps they need to reread them? The women are not to blame. The perpetrators of those crimes are, I'd suggest, Augie.

How about you? Do you think it's actually an "enforced" item of wear for all Muslim women?

A misunderstanding?? Was the holocaust a misunderstanding??

Women in some countries are forced to wear it. Many others endure familial and social pressure to wear them.

Here's a question: why don't men wear the headscarfe?

Men and women in this country are forced to wear clothes in public.

Try going to Woolworths tomorrow morning with no pants on, and see how long you last.

Next red herring.

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