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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #75 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 12:13pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:16am:

Auggie wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 7:23pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 7:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 7:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:55pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:27pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:01pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 2:57pm:

I have no idea, a bad (according to you) mistake, I admit that my copy is not exactly as the original.

However I see that verse 24.31 and the hadith uses the word veil, I'm convinced that veil is indeed a part of enforced islamic dress code for women.

Good to see that you have shown us how the excuse that allah is forgiving the women for being raped is untrue, muslims are taught it's legitimate to rape women.

If it is "enforced", Moses, why then do so many Muslim women not wear them? Few if the Muslim women I know wear a Hijab or a Burqa or Niqab. Strange, I must say for an "enforced" item of wear... Are they all apostates? Really? Roll Eyes

What about those who believe they’ll burn for eternity if they don’t wear it? Or those who are killed for not wearing it?

Victims of a misunderstanding of the instructions? Perhaps they need to reread them? The women are not to blame. The perpetrators of those crimes are, I'd suggest, Augie.

How about you? Do you think it's actually an "enforced" item of wear for all Muslim women?

A misunderstanding?? Was the holocaust a misunderstanding??

Women in some countries are forced to wear it. Many others endure familial and social pressure to wear them.

Here's a question: why don't men wear the headscarfe?

Men and women in this country are forced to wear clothes in public.

Try going to Woolworths tomorrow morning with no pants on, and see how long you last.

Next red herring.

We are forced to wear clothes in public.

Why do you condone this oppression?

Do you want to continue with this stupid line of questioning when you fully know that there is a distinction between the two?

Oh, I want to continue alright.

I have you right where I want you, so I'm not backing off now.

I don't like wearing clothes (and there are thousands more just like me).

However, I'm forced - by LAW - to wear clothes when I go out in public.

If I don't, I can be arrested and locked up.

Why do you condone such oppression from our government?

This isn’t about ‘choice’ greggy. A woman can wear whatsoever she wants. This is about symbolism. Hijab means separation in Arabic and its symbolism is that the woman should dress modestly because men are unable to control themselves, etc. Men are not expected to wear a hijab.

Regarding everyday clothes, i don’t think I need to dignify your stupid question with an answer.

You mean you can't answer it.

Clothing is the natural result of a civilised society. Clothing is neutral generally and has no symbolism. Also, the way we dress isn’t based on any religious sentiment; it’s purely secular in nature.

Regarding the enforcement of clothing, it’s nevessary to protect ‘children’ from being exposed to adult nudity which is sensible. The enforcement of the islamic headscarf is to reinforce the idea that women are sinful and responsible for men’s desires.

Ergo, there is a significant difference.

Nudist colonies? Undecided

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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #76 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 1:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:55pm:

Men and women in this country are forced to wear clothes in public.

Move to the PNG, turd. Or an empty island.

But if you want to live among civilised people you have to fit in. We know it's hard for you but there you are: you can be a savage elsewhere or you fit into civilisation.

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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #77 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:17pm

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 1:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:55pm:

Men and women in this country are forced to wear clothes in public.

Move to the PNG, turd. Or an empty island.

But if you want to live among civilised people you have to fit in. We know it's hard for you but there you are: you can be a savage elsewhere or you fit into civilisation.

People have been born naked, in every civilisation across the globe, since the beginning of human existence.

You're a fascist oppressor.

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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #78 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:17pm:

People have been born naked, in every civilisation across the globe, since the beginning of human existence.

And most societies evolve, unless you decide to remain uncivilised like your relatives Littlepecca...........and the start of 'human existence' was eons ago, so HTF do you know how they dressed then, wasn't it bearskins or other animal skins they wore to keep their Littlepecca warm?

And you really wouldn't be 'born' with a three-piece-suit on would you dickhead?

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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #79 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 7:23pm:

I don't like wearing clothes (and there are thousands more just like me).

There were people in Saudi Arabia who liked to be naked in public before Islamic rule took over.

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During the Pre-Islamic period of Ignorance, the people used to perform Tawaf of the Ka`ba naked except the Hums; and the Hums were Quraish and their offspring. The Hums used to give clothes to the men who would perform the Tawaf wearing them; and women (of the Hums) used to give clothes to the women who would perform the Tawaf wearing them. Those to whom the Hums did not give clothes would perform Tawaf round the Ka`ba naked.

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/25/146

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The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Allah does not accept the prayer of a woman who has reached puberty unless she wears a veil.

https://sunnah.com/abudawud/2/251

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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #80 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:44pm

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:17pm:

People have been born naked, in every civilisation across the globe, since the beginning of human existence.

And most societies evolve, unless you decide to remain uncivilised like you relatives Littlepecca...........and the start of 'human existence' was eons ago, so HTF do you know how they dressed then, wasn't it bearskins or other animal skins they wore to keep their Littlepecca warm?

And you really wouldn't be 'born' with a three-piece-suit on would you dickhead?

Which society is giving birth to fully clothed babies, comrade?

I'm curious.

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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6382 Australia Gender:	Re: Iranian women remove their veils Reply #81 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:48pm Not curious, just spurious Littlepecca.....
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 141178 Gender:	Re: Iranian women remove their veils Reply #82 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:51pm Fuzzball wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:48pm: Not curious, just spurious Littlepecca..... So, what you're telling me is ... ... no society has evolved to the point of giving birth to fully clothed babies? Seems like we were meant to be naked, huh?
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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6382 Australia Gender:	Re: Iranian women remove their veils Reply #83 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:55pm I've no doubt that you are a serial flasher littlepecca.......you sound as though you'd be at home in one of those pervy mackintoshes hiding in the bushes in Vicky Park............
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 141178 Gender:	Re: Iranian women remove their veils Reply #84 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:59pm Fuzzball wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 2:55pm: I've no doubt that you are a serial flasher littlepecca.......you sound as though you'd be at home in one of those pervy mackintoshes hiding in the bushes in Vicky Park............ I'll take that as a 'no', shall I?
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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #85 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:02pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 9:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 9:04pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:27pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:01pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 2:57pm:

I have no idea, a bad (according to you) mistake, I admit that my copy is not exactly as the original.

However I see that verse 24.31 and the hadith uses the word veil, I'm convinced that veil is indeed a part of enforced islamic dress code for women.

Good to see that you have shown us how the excuse that allah is forgiving the women for being raped is untrue, muslims are taught it's legitimate to rape women.

If it is "enforced", Moses, why then do so many Muslim women not wear them? Few if the Muslim women I know wear a Hijab or a Burqa or Niqab. Strange, I must say for an "enforced" item of wear... Are they all apostates? Really? Roll Eyes

What about those who believe they’ll burn for eternity if they don’t wear it? Or those who are killed for not wearing it?

Victims of a misunderstanding of the instructions? Perhaps they need to reread them? The women are not to blame. The perpetrators of those crimes are, I'd suggest, Augie.

How about you? Do you think it's actually an "enforced" item of wear for all Muslim women?

A misunderstanding?? Was the holocaust a misunderstanding??

Women in some countries are forced to wear it. Many others endure familial and social pressure to wear them.

Here's a question: why don't men wear the headscarfe?

How about you answer the question, Augie? Roll Eyes

In some countries it is. And in some communities as well.

Try again, Augie. Only one more chance... Roll Eyes

Asked and answered, BR.

Ah, so you don't think it's an "enforced" piece of clothing then, Augie? So, then why are you attacking me and not Moses who told that fib? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 49319 Gender:	Re: Iranian women remove their veils Reply #86 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:55pm See also vid:https://twitter.com/johntruman_/status/959202236936216578/video/1
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Reply #87 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:02pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 9:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 9:04pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 6:27pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 3:01pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 2:57pm:

I have no idea, a bad (according to you) mistake, I admit that my copy is not exactly as the original.

However I see that verse 24.31 and the hadith uses the word veil, I'm convinced that veil is indeed a part of enforced islamic dress code for women.

Good to see that you have shown us how the excuse that allah is forgiving the women for being raped is untrue, muslims are taught it's legitimate to rape women.

If it is "enforced", Moses, why then do so many Muslim women not wear them? Few if the Muslim women I know wear a Hijab or a Burqa or Niqab. Strange, I must say for an "enforced" item of wear... Are they all apostates? Really? Roll Eyes

What about those who believe they’ll burn for eternity if they don’t wear it? Or those who are killed for not wearing it?

Victims of a misunderstanding of the instructions? Perhaps they need to reread them? The women are not to blame. The perpetrators of those crimes are, I'd suggest, Augie.

How about you? Do you think it's actually an "enforced" item of wear for all Muslim women?

A misunderstanding?? Was the holocaust a misunderstanding??

Women in some countries are forced to wear it. Many others endure familial and social pressure to wear them.

Here's a question: why don't men wear the headscarfe?

How about you answer the question, Augie? Roll Eyes

In some countries it is. And in some communities as well.

Try again, Augie. Only one more chance... Roll Eyes

Asked and answered, BR.

Ah, so you don't think it's an "enforced" piece of clothing then, Augie? So, then why are you attacking me and not Moses who told that fib? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

You asked me the question and I answered it.

My turn. Question: “do you believe the hijab is a symbol of female empowerment?”

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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #88 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:36pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:30pm:

You asked me the question and I answered it.

My turn. Question: “do you believe the hijab is a symbol of female empowerment?”

No idea. I am neither female nor Muslim. Some women decry it, some applaud it. Why not ask Muslim women directly what they think about it, Augie, instead of imposing your ideas on them? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

We have established it is not an "enforced" item of clothing. Some Muslims may enforce it but the majority don't. Depends, I suspect on how traditional the society that they live in. Which is the same for all societies. Modern ones tend to have more modern mores.

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Re: Iranian women remove their veils
Reply #89 - Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:36pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:30pm:

You asked me the question and I answered it.

My turn. Question: “do you believe the hijab is a symbol of female empowerment?”

No idea. I am neither female nor Muslim. Some women decry it, some applaud it. Why not ask Muslim women directly what they think about it, Augie, instead of imposing your ideas on them? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

We have established it is not an "enforced" item of clothing. Some Muslims may enforce it but the majority don't. Depends, I suspect on how traditional the society that they live in. Which is the same for all societies. Modern ones tend to have more modern mores.

It's not enforced??? Even western women entering many muslims countries are told to wear it. Turkey, Egypt, Malaysia may not but most of the rest do.

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