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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96597	Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran Reply #15 - Feb 17^th, 2018 at 11:22am Gordon wrote on Feb 16^th, 2018 at 7:45pm: freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2018 at 7:42pm: Another Australian terrorist, just for Brian. If I'm not mistaken that photo was taken from Watsons Bay. Pricks. Looks like you've got a few over there. How do we know they're not you-know-whos?
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Reply #16 - Feb 17^th, 2018 at 11:40am

issuevoter wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

The response is always the same. His interpretation of the Koran was wrong. SBS is now touting a show about Muzlims where one of the faithful says its the individual that defines the religion, not the religion that defines the individual. So now we have a situation where these people think they can make it up as the they go along, and avoid association with the atrocities in the public perception.

Just how one remains a Muzlim without the Koran is anyone's guess, but if you were conned into believing that rubbish to begin with, you are going to look for self-esteem anyway you can get it.

Well - who explained it to him so that he got it wrong? Someone did - and that someone should be arrested, charged, tried, and if convicted, given twenty years.

In a sense, there is a need to get away from religion in this kind of situation - after all - many a Cat'lic priest in Ulster (where my ancestors once sat the throne at Tara) spoke against the IRA and killing etc.... although that was a different story, with centuries of history to back it as opposed to some idiot like this being given sanctuary here so he can live in peace while developing murderous plans. Even if it was his parents given sanctuary, the same applies, and he is even more of an idiot.

Back in 'the old country' he'd likely have been found out and shot or hung with a scant trial, and certainly would be open to the predatory actions of other tribes, police and so forth there - here he gets a free ride, so assumes he is safe to lead a life of crime.

What stupid and narrow thinking, and clearly not our kind of person at all.

Black chopper out to sea and the long drop to the ocean below...

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #17 - Feb 17^th, 2018 at 1:52pm

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 7:23am:

RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 6:19am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 16^th, 2018 at 8:29pm:

Oh dear

Australia has been "under attack" from a group of Muslim men wanting "to kill as many unbelievers as they can" for about 15 years, a Supreme Court judge has said.

Sitting at Sydney West Trial Courts at Parramatta, Justice Fagan referred to verses in the Koran which he said described the duty of "a Muslim to wage Jihad".

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-16/australia-under-attack-by-a-group-of-mu...

What a croc

Sitting at Sydney West Trial Courts at Parramatta, Justice Fagan referred to verses in the Koran which he said described the duty of "a Muslim to wage Jihad".

He said he was not making generalisations about Islamic beliefs and that his courtroom was "not a forum for the rights and wrongs of the Islam or Christian religions".

Firstly there is people with no religion and many other religions.

The crimes were religiously motivated and beyond that the judge should say zip ! The religion in question was Islam .... these are facts, not interested in a judges opinion just their interpretation of the facts WRT the law !

Crimes abusing religious dogma of any kind should get double the sentence. In their minds the crimes were justified by defending Islam (or their interpretation) which in law means your showing no remorse ! Hence you need to get at least the maximum.

Why did the judge refer to those verses at all?

I assume these guys might have god delusions but this one is just being ignorant. As a judge you need to set aside your personal views.

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Valkie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16142 Central Coast Gender:	Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran Reply #18 - Feb 17^th, 2018 at 3:27pm The CULT of death
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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #19 - Feb 17^th, 2018 at 11:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 6:49am:

Valkie wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 6:33am:

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He also stressed that the Muslim religion was not on trial but, as sentencing judge, he had to try and identify the source of Khaja's "depraved belief".

Of course this CULT is on trial.
It is a brutal, barbaric, primitive, evil CULT the roots of which are in a self confessed paedophile, retarded nutcase sociopath.

This CULT must be eradicated

Yes - it's a war on terrorism.

They should be put against a wall and shot.

Behead them and behead them high!

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #20 - Feb 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm

issuevoter wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

The response is always the same. His interpretation of the Koran was wrong. SBS is now touting a show about Muzlims where one of the faithful says its the individual that defines the religion, not the religion that defines the individual. So now we have a situation where these people think they can make it up as the they go along, and avoid association with the atrocities in the public perception.

Just how one remains a Muzlim without the Koran is anyone's guess, but if you were conned into believing that rubbish to begin with, you are going to look for self-esteem anyway you can get it.

Once again we see this bizarre mindset that I simply cannot fathom. Rather than once again attempting to painstakingly plot out my argument, lets try with a simple question.

Would you prefer muslims
a) preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?
b) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #21 - Feb 19^th, 2018 at 7:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

The response is always the same. His interpretation of the Koran was wrong. SBS is now touting a show about Muzlims where one of the faithful says its the individual that defines the religion, not the religion that defines the individual. So now we have a situation where these people think they can make it up as the they go along, and avoid association with the atrocities in the public perception.

Just how one remains a Muzlim without the Koran is anyone's guess, but if you were conned into believing that rubbish to begin with, you are going to look for self-esteem anyway you can get it.

Once again we see this bizarre mindset that I simply cannot fathom. Rather than once again attempting to painstakingly plot out my argument, lets try with a simple question.

Would you prefer muslims
a) preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?
b) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels?

You can't fathom???

Well, fathom this: you are simply not trusted, as a Muslim. Not you, not any other Muslim. You have zero credit in the trust department. You send girls, children, mentally retarded on suicide missions. You are sly, duplicitous, completely untrustworthy.

Fathom that.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #22 - Feb 19^th, 2018 at 7:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

Would you prefer muslims
a) preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?
b) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels?

gandalf,

The problem with the moslem, is.....

The moslem is always telling us, that he is always preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of ISLAM, .....until the day, that he isn't !

i.e.
ISLAM will always be a peaceful faith....... ........until the day when, it isn't !

example....
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By Robert Spencer on Feb 18, 2018 06:48 pm

Netherlands: Sermon calling for jihad and martyrdom preached in at least one Turkish mosque

Yes, in a few years, the people who attend this mosque will be loyal, productive members of Dutch society.

Won’t they?

The Netherlands, and Europe is general, is teetering on the edge of the abyss.

Here is the Turkish text of the sermon, and here is an English translation: “Jihad preaching in Hoorn,” by Silvan......

Google

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Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

IMAGE....

Quote:

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

- ABC news report - 2015-01-19

QUOTE;
"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."

- Mr Yunus

.

"ISLAM ES PAZ"

IMAGE.....

Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace.

/sarc off

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IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior

January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims

London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

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And watch what normal moslems [in Norway] are saying,

while they talk about practicing their religion, in Europe.

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What Normal Muslims Think - And Europe Fails to Understand

3 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIK8bfeLXSw

ORIGINAL LINK REMOVED ?
TRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD7SfPvI_xw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOGIXPrEaqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WzM3pyJZIY

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #23 - Feb 19^th, 2018 at 7:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

The response is always the same. His interpretation of the Koran was wrong. SBS is now touting a show about Muzlims where one of the faithful says its the individual that defines the religion, not the religion that defines the individual. So now we have a situation where these people think they can make it up as the they go along, and avoid association with the atrocities in the public perception.

Just how one remains a Muzlim without the Koran is anyone's guess, but if you were conned into believing that rubbish to begin with, you are going to look for self-esteem anyway you can get it.

Once again we see this bizarre mindset that I simply cannot fathom. Rather than once again attempting to painstakingly plot out my argument, lets try with a simple question.

Would you prefer muslims
a) preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?
b) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels?

I would prefer muslims to stay away from the west and practice their religion in a muslim country. Yeah...that sounds like a great idea.
That way...when they get the "interpretation" wrong they get it wrong in a country that has islamic value at heart and understands, or should i say, keeps quiet and...doesnt really care.
Australia doesn't need islam. It has no positive effect on us at all.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #24 - Feb 19^th, 2018 at 7:27pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

The response is always the same. His interpretation of the Koran was wrong. SBS is now touting a show about Muzlims where one of the faithful says its the individual that defines the religion, not the religion that defines the individual. So now we have a situation where these people think they can make it up as the they go along, and avoid association with the atrocities in the public perception.

Just how one remains a Muzlim without the Koran is anyone's guess, but if you were conned into believing that rubbish to begin with, you are going to look for self-esteem anyway you can get it.

Well - who explained it to him so that he got it wrong? Someone did - and that someone should be arrested, charged, tried, and if convicted, given twenty years.

In a sense, there is a need to get away from religion in this kind of situation - after all - many a Cat'lic priest in Ulster (where my ancestors once sat the throne at Tara) spoke against the IRA and killing etc.... although that was a different story, with centuries of history to back it as opposed to some idiot like this being given sanctuary here so he can live in peace while developing murderous plans. Even if it was his parents given sanctuary, the same applies, and he is even more of an idiot.

Back in 'the old country' he'd likely have been found out and shot or hung with a scant trial, and certainly would be open to the predatory actions of other tribes, police and so forth there - here he gets a free ride, so assumes he is safe to lead a life of crime.

What stupid and narrow thinking, and clearly not our kind of person at all.

Black chopper out to sea and the long drop to the ocean below...

(copyright - my first episode of A Bodyguard of Lies is about 'radicalised' and 'activist' Muslims vanishing.....)

There is more than one whinging minority in the business of making it up as they go along.

Sad thing there are so many dopey bleeding hearts out there & in here going along with it.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #25 - Feb 19^th, 2018 at 7:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

Once again we see this bizarre mindset that I simply cannot fathom. Rather than once again attempting to painstakingly plot out my argument, lets try with a simple question.

Would you prefer muslims
a) preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?
b) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels?

You error is in placing 'preaching and practicing' in the one choice, and then allowing only a vote on one or the other of extremes...

A fair choice would have included:-

c) preaching a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam but not practicing it?

d) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels, but practicing a theoretically peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?

We old guys can always smell 'spin' when someone tries to force feed it to us... don't piss down my back and tell me it's a warm tropical rain...

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Reply #26 - Feb 19^th, 2018 at 8:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

The response is always the same. His interpretation of the Koran was wrong. SBS is now touting a show about Muzlims where one of the faithful says its the individual that defines the religion, not the religion that defines the individual. So now we have a situation where these people think they can make it up as the they go along, and avoid association with the atrocities in the public perception.

Just how one remains a Muzlim without the Koran is anyone's guess, but if you were conned into believing that rubbish to begin with, you are going to look for self-esteem anyway you can get it.

Once again we see this bizarre mindset that I simply cannot fathom. Rather than once again attempting to painstakingly plot out my argument, lets try with a simple question.

Would you prefer muslims
a) preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?
b) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels?

False dichotomy.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #27 - Feb 19^th, 2018 at 9:31pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 16^th, 2018 at 8:32pm:

Fkkn muslims and their ideology.
He won't be the last.

Good on the judge too. Speak up and be heard.

I most definitely believe a hard line approach is necessary, however guilty by association in this case does not apply. Otherwise we will say all those who are Catholic molest children, all fathers commit acts of domestic violence. Blanket statements are absurd for systems of this size.

I don't agree with some of the teachings of Islam, however I also don't agree with Christian doctrine. However I respect anyone who interprets and perceives it in a just and right way, because they have the right to do so.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #29 - Feb 19^th, 2018 at 9:46pm

I would prefer muslims to stay away from the west and practice their religion in a muslim country. Yeah...that sounds like a great idea.
That way...when they get the "interpretation" wrong they get it wrong in a country that has islamic value at heart and understands, or should i say, keeps quiet and...doesnt really care.
Australia doesn't need islam. It has no positive effect on us at all. [/quote]

I am unsure if you understand what is occurring in their "Muslim Country".
Wars, terror and constant pain and death. You may state its not our problem, however when we along with the United States induced intense warfare on these countries which became the catalyst to the asylum seeker pandemic. One we must attempt to solve. They have no viable option other than flee and escape, they are no different to all other humans. They will fight to survive and keep their families safe.

In relation to practising their religion. The Constitution contains an express right relating to practising your religion. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights UDHR contains this right. It is their basic right too, you remove these rights it ruins the system that is in place and additionally equality and equity.

To be honest with you Australia doesn't need a-lot of things....
1. Christianity but we are not ridding all Christians
2. Domestic Violence but we are not ridding all males
3. Drink Drivers but we are not removing all those who drive.

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