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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #45 - Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 8:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 12:25pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 12:06pm:

I am sure there are plenty of other options he would prefer to the two you presented. You are basically trying to guilt trip people into accepting your delusions about Islam without question by insisting the only alternative is Islamic terrorism, and that such terrorism would be their fault for being honest about Islam.

It is not a false dichotomy FD, as I never said it was an exhaustive list of options. I'm asking what of the two scenarios would he (or you) prefer.

Would you like to have a go at answering the question? Is it better for muslims to be preaching love and peace and tolerance - or violence and intolerance? Its not a trick question.

I find both disturbing - just as I find your lies about the Quran just as disturbing as Abu's honesty about it. I honestly cannot pick which is worse.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #46 - Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 8:45pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2018 at 3:40pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

The response is always the same. His interpretation of the Koran was wrong. SBS is now touting a show about Muzlims where one of the faithful says its the individual that defines the religion, not the religion that defines the individual. So now we have a situation where these people think they can make it up as the they go along, and avoid association with the atrocities in the public perception.

Just how one remains a Muzlim without the Koran is anyone's guess, but if you were conned into believing that rubbish to begin with, you are going to look for self-esteem anyway you can get it.

Once again we see this bizarre mindset that I simply cannot fathom. Rather than once again attempting to painstakingly plot out my argument, lets try with a simple question.

Would you prefer muslims
a) preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?
b) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels?

False dichotomy.

Only if you assume all muslims are sinister by nature.

For as Frank pointed out - I personally blow up kiddies.

Liar.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #47 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 1:40pm

Because islam is conducive to preaching violence and intolerance right here, right now, we have:

Australian National Security Listed terrorist organisations

Currently, 25 organisations are listed as terrorist organisations under the Criminal Code. They are:

•Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Al-Murabitun
Listed 5 November 2014, re-listed 2 November 2017

•Al-Qa'ida (AQ)
Listed 21 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
Listed 26 November 2010, re-listed 26 November 2013 and 26 November 2016.

•Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS)
Listed 28 November 2016

•Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Al-Shabaab
Listed 22 August 2009, re-listed 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

•Ansar al-Islam
Formerly known as Ansar al-Sunna—Listed 27 March 2003, re-listed 27 March 2005, 24 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 9 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

•Boko Haram
Listed 26 June 2014 and re-listed 27 June 2017.

•Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

•Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO)
Listed 5 June 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 25 May 2007, 16 May 2009, 12 May 2012 and 2 May 2015

•Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

•Islamic State
Formerly listed as Al-Qa’ida in Iraq—2 March 2005, re-listed 17 Feb 2007, 1 Nov 2008, 29 Oct 2010, 12 July 2013. Formerly listed as Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant on 14 Dec 2013. Listed 11 July 2014 as Islamic State and re-listed 1 July 2017.

•Islamic State East Asia
Listed 8 September 2017

•Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya)
Listed 28 November 2016

•Islamic State Khorasan Province
2 November 2017

•Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai)
Listed 28 November 2016.

•Jabhat al-Nusra
Listed 29 June 2013, re-listed 28 June 2016 and amended on 4 November 2016 to include alias Jabhat Fatah al-Sham.

•Jaish-e-Mohammed
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

•Jamiat ul-Ansar (JuA)
Formerly known as Harakat Ul-Mujahideen—Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Jemaah Islamiyah (JI)
Listed 27 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
Listed 17 December 2005, re-listed 28 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

•Lashkar-e Jhangvi
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

•Lashkar-e-Tayyiba
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

•Palestinian Islamic Jihad
Listed 3 May 2004, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

Sick leftards support these terrorists with their unremitting lies and excuses.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #48 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 2:14pm

Frank wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 8:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2018 at 3:40pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

The response is always the same. His interpretation of the Koran was wrong. SBS is now touting a show about Muzlims where one of the faithful says its the individual that defines the religion, not the religion that defines the individual. So now we have a situation where these people think they can make it up as the they go along, and avoid association with the atrocities in the public perception.

Just how one remains a Muzlim without the Koran is anyone's guess, but if you were conned into believing that rubbish to begin with, you are going to look for self-esteem anyway you can get it.

Once again we see this bizarre mindset that I simply cannot fathom. Rather than once again attempting to painstakingly plot out my argument, lets try with a simple question.

Would you prefer muslims
a) preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?
b) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels?

False dichotomy.

Only if you assume all muslims are sinister by nature.

For as Frank pointed out - I personally blow up kiddies.

Liar.

Such a cheery old chap, isn't he.

So glad we imported him.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #49 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 8:45pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 2:14pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 8:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2018 at 3:40pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

The response is always the same. His interpretation of the Koran was wrong. SBS is now touting a show about Muzlims where one of the faithful says its the individual that defines the religion, not the religion that defines the individual. So now we have a situation where these people think they can make it up as the they go along, and avoid association with the atrocities in the public perception.

Just how one remains a Muzlim without the Koran is anyone's guess, but if you were conned into believing that rubbish to begin with, you are going to look for self-esteem anyway you can get it.

Once again we see this bizarre mindset that I simply cannot fathom. Rather than once again attempting to painstakingly plot out my argument, lets try with a simple question.

Would you prefer muslims
a) preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?
b) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels?

False dichotomy.

Only if you assume all muslims are sinister by nature.

For as Frank pointed out - I personally blow up kiddies.

Liar.

Such a cheery old chap, isn't he.

So glad we imported him.

Well, he is a liar as are you and bwian the halfwit.

You are all on some agitprop binge.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #50 - Feb 24^th, 2018 at 11:12pm

Frank wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 8:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 2:14pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 8:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2018 at 3:40pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

The response is always the same. His interpretation of the Koran was wrong. SBS is now touting a show about Muzlims where one of the faithful says its the individual that defines the religion, not the religion that defines the individual. So now we have a situation where these people think they can make it up as the they go along, and avoid association with the atrocities in the public perception.

Just how one remains a Muzlim without the Koran is anyone's guess, but if you were conned into believing that rubbish to begin with, you are going to look for self-esteem anyway you can get it.

Once again we see this bizarre mindset that I simply cannot fathom. Rather than once again attempting to painstakingly plot out my argument, lets try with a simple question.

Would you prefer muslims
a) preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?
b) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels?

False dichotomy.

Only if you assume all muslims are sinister by nature.

For as Frank pointed out - I personally blow up kiddies.

Liar.

Such a cheery old chap, isn't he.

So glad we imported him.

Well, he is a liar as are you and bwian the halfwit.

You are all on some agitprop binge.

And you're offended.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, dear boy.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #51 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 11:17am

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 11:12pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 8:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 2:14pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 8:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2018 at 3:40pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

The response is always the same. His interpretation of the Koran was wrong. SBS is now touting a show about Muzlims where one of the faithful says its the individual that defines the religion, not the religion that defines the individual. So now we have a situation where these people think they can make it up as the they go along, and avoid association with the atrocities in the public perception.

Just how one remains a Muzlim without the Koran is anyone's guess, but if you were conned into believing that rubbish to begin with, you are going to look for self-esteem anyway you can get it.

Once again we see this bizarre mindset that I simply cannot fathom. Rather than once again attempting to painstakingly plot out my argument, lets try with a simple question.

Would you prefer muslims
a) preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?
b) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels?

False dichotomy.

Only if you assume all muslims are sinister by nature.

For as Frank pointed out - I personally blow up kiddies.

Liar.

Such a cheery old chap, isn't he.

So glad we imported him.

Well, he is a liar as are you and bwian the halfwit.

You are all on some agitprop binge.

And you're offended.

I give you 10 rupee, Paki arse-sniffer, if you can prove that.

Calling out your lies and identifying your motives is not a sign of being offended by youl bilge. Disgusted, sure. Not offended.

But even if someone is offended, that's perfectly OK, as long as they do not demand the right not to be offended. You pretend to be an incomprehending fool like Bwian, but you are only fools. You understand very well your own lies and distortions. You actually enjoy nothing more than deliberately misrepresenting what others say.

A lot like Cathy Newman interviewing Jordan Petersen on BBC4. She is like you, bwian, gweggy and the rest of you idiots. That clip has gone viral precisely because there are fools and arse-sniffers like you lot everywhere. You are a very well recognised type.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #52 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 12:05pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 11:17am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 11:12pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 8:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2018 at 2:14pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 8:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2018 at 3:40pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 17^th, 2018 at 9:29am:

The response is always the same. His interpretation of the Koran was wrong. SBS is now touting a show about Muzlims where one of the faithful says its the individual that defines the religion, not the religion that defines the individual. So now we have a situation where these people think they can make it up as the they go along, and avoid association with the atrocities in the public perception.

Just how one remains a Muzlim without the Koran is anyone's guess, but if you were conned into believing that rubbish to begin with, you are going to look for self-esteem anyway you can get it.

Once again we see this bizarre mindset that I simply cannot fathom. Rather than once again attempting to painstakingly plot out my argument, lets try with a simple question.

Would you prefer muslims
a) preaching and practicing a peaceful, tolerant version of Islam?
b) running around calling for infidels to be slaughtered, and actually slaughtering infidels?

False dichotomy.

Only if you assume all muslims are sinister by nature.

For as Frank pointed out - I personally blow up kiddies.

Liar.

Such a cheery old chap, isn't he.

So glad we imported him.

Well, he is a liar as are you and bwian the halfwit.

You are all on some agitprop binge.

And you're offended.

I give you 10 rupee, Paki arse-sniffer, if you can prove that.

Calling out your lies and identifying your motives is not a sign of being offended by youl bilge. Disgusted, sure. Not offended.

But even if someone is offended, that's perfectly OK, as long as they do not demand the right not to be offended. You pretend to be an incomprehending fool like Bwian, but you are only fools. You understand very well your own lies and distortions. You actually enjoy nothing more than deliberately misrepresenting what others say.

A lot like Cathy Newman interviewing Jordan Petersen on BBC4. She is like you, bwian, gweggy and the rest of you idiots. That clip has gone viral precisely because there are fools and arse-sniffers like you lot everywhere. You are a very well recognised type.

Sorry to offend, dear boy.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #53 - Feb 26^th, 2018 at 9:48am

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 8:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 12:25pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 12:06pm:

I am sure there are plenty of other options he would prefer to the two you presented. You are basically trying to guilt trip people into accepting your delusions about Islam without question by insisting the only alternative is Islamic terrorism, and that such terrorism would be their fault for being honest about Islam.

It is not a false dichotomy FD, as I never said it was an exhaustive list of options. I'm asking what of the two scenarios would he (or you) prefer.

Would you like to have a go at answering the question? Is it better for muslims to be preaching love and peace and tolerance - or violence and intolerance? Its not a trick question.

I find both disturbing - just as I find your lies about the Quran just as disturbing as Abu's honesty about it. I honestly cannot pick which is worse.

Right, there we have it - a muslim preaching love and peace and tolerance is disturbing to FD. Glad we got that sorted.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #54 - Feb 26^th, 2018 at 12:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 9:48am:

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 8:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 12:25pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 12:06pm:

I am sure there are plenty of other options he would prefer to the two you presented. You are basically trying to guilt trip people into accepting your delusions about Islam without question by insisting the only alternative is Islamic terrorism, and that such terrorism would be their fault for being honest about Islam.

It is not a false dichotomy FD, as I never said it was an exhaustive list of options. I'm asking what of the two scenarios would he (or you) prefer.

Would you like to have a go at answering the question? Is it better for muslims to be preaching love and peace and tolerance - or violence and intolerance? Its not a trick question.

I find both disturbing - just as I find your lies about the Quran just as disturbing as Abu's honesty about it. I honestly cannot pick which is worse.

Right, there we have it - a muslim preaching love and peace and tolerance is disturbing to FD. Glad we got that sorted.

You seem to be having increasing difficulty read what is right there in front of you Gandalf. Try again.

I find your lies about the Quran just as disturbing as Abu's honesty about it.

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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #55 - Feb 26^th, 2018 at 12:39pm

Sorry FD, lets check shall we...

Q:
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Is it better for muslims to be preaching love and peace and tolerance - or violence and intolerance? Its not a trick question.

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freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:

I find both disturbing

Was there a hidden meaning there that I missed FD? Did you notice how the statement you are pretending is the answer (I find your lies about the Quran just as disturbing as Abu's honesty about it) came after "just as I find..." - meaning "in addition" - ie you may well find my lies and Abu's honest about the Quran disturbing - but it doesn't negate your "disturbance" about muslims preaching love and peace and tolerance?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran Reply #56 - Feb 26^th, 2018 at 12:41pm Nevermind FD, I'll give you another chance to clear the record: Do you find it "disturbing" for a muslim "to be preaching love and peace and tolerance "?
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Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran
Reply #57 - Feb 26^th, 2018 at 2:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2018 at 4:27pm:

The world will only be a better place when Christians have the honesty to thoroughly investigate those parts of the Bible which facilitate the preaching and practicing of violence and intolerance. Roll Eyes

That examination has been going on since at least the time of Abelard, and in earnest since the Reformation. It is still going on and will never stop. There is no "closing of the gate of ijtihad" as happened in the 16th century (when the Christian Reformation took off), you silly, ignorant, lying fool.

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 47776 Gender:	Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran Reply #58 - Feb 26^th, 2018 at 4:32pm polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 12:41pm: Nevermind FD, I'll give you another chance to clear the record: Do you find it "disturbing" for a muslim "to be preaching love and peace and tolerance "? Ahmadis?
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96483	Re: Motivated straight from the verses of Quran Reply #59 - Feb 27^th, 2018 at 11:02am Frank wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 4:32pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 12:41pm: Nevermind FD, I'll give you another chance to clear the record: Do you find it "disturbing" for a muslim "to be preaching love and peace and tolerance "? Ahmadis? Kurds?
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