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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #105 - Mar 2^nd, 2018 at 1:47pm

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Auggie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 10:37pm:

@Brian Ross.

The issue here is that Muhammad had sex with a nine year old girl. If he married her and then waited 10 years, that I would be able to swallow. But he essentially raped her.

Richard II most likely didn’t have sex with her. This is key issue here.

Second, the biggest point is that he was a so called prophet of god. There is no way in hell that god would command a person to marry let alone have sex with a nine year old.

As I keep pointing out, "the past is a different country, they did things differently there." Mohammed was in Mecca, not modern Australia. Different places, times have different ideas about such matters. You cannot and should not apply 21st century morality to the 7th century C.E. No proper historian would.

As I keep pointing out, he was deemed a prophet of god and is considered an exemplar of human behaviour. I apply a higher standard to him because of his self-declared prophet status.

Why ask me, then? I do not consider him as a representative of any Sky Daddy, Augie. I consider him a man who foundered a religion. Ask a Muslim if you want the opinion of a Muslim. Tsk, tsk.

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So back to you the issue: Jesus never had sex with any one nor was he in a relationship. This makes him a better person than Muhammad. Jesus was superior in every way.

That is a fact.

No, it is what the Church(es) tell you, Augie. There is Mary Magdalen - a "lady of negotiable virtue" who it is alluded had a relationship with Christ. Do not believe what you have been told is "fact" when there is no way of verifying it. It is IMHO, myth. Roll Eyes

That is what the doctrine teaches. That is what the Christian faith is based on.

Even if he had a partner or wife in Mary Magdalene, this makes him less extraordinary than he is portrayed but hardly is it unacceptable: he was in a monogamous relationship. Much better than Muhammad.

If you choose to rely on faith, rather than reason, why are we discussing this at all, Augie? You don't need affirmation from me, afterall you have faith, now don't you? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #106 - Mar 2^nd, 2018 at 2:50pm

issuevoter wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2018 at 1:37pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2018 at 1:00pm:

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Auggie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 2:52pm:

So, they drove him and the followers out of Mecca, and one year later, after being the leader of community in Medina, he then decides to take revenge on those who deported him???

So much for 'turning the other cheek'.

Jesus forgave his torturers and executioners as he was hanging from the cross. "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do." That there, my friend, is spirituality.

Not some petty revenge over being deported.

As I have said repeatedly, Jesus was not leading any state, and had no responsibility for the running of an actual society. When you understand this point, you might understand the fact that Muhammad's actions were done with the welfare of his people in mind. The fact is, when his people were evicted from their homes - from a city and society which was really the only place that resembled a commercial centre in the entire peninsula - a state of war had been established. The muslim community in Medina was not only not safe from the power of Mecca, the non-agrarian community had no means of livelihood in the entirely agrarian city of Medina. Caravan raids were not merely a legitimate prosecution of an existing war that was not started by the muslims - it was actually a means of survival for a group that had almost no possessions, and had no experience or skills carving a life on a farm.

These are the things that Muhammad had to take into consideration when taking the action that he did. Things that frankly Jesus didn't have to worry about.

Jesus didn’t lead a state because he chose not to. He could’ve migrated to another nation and establish his Christian state; he had ample opportunity to do so. The fact is that Jesus wasn’t willing to subject his followers to such a project because he had no desire to be a temporal leader. Hence, why Jesus kingdom is ‘not if this earth’.

Muhammad could’ve made the same choice as Jesus: rather than migrate to medina, he could’ve offered himself to the Meccan powers at be and give his life like Jesus did. Instead he was too selfish to do so.

Oh, here we go. Another religious ratbag joins the ranks of Gandalf, Light Boy, Bobby, Scoot, Ross, Taverner, JiSi, Capisonora, et al.

Excuse me?

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #107 - Mar 4^th, 2018 at 10:12am

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If you choose to rely on faith, rather than reason, why are we discussing this at all, Augie? You don't need affirmation from me, afterall you have faith, now don't you? Tsk, tsk.

Brian is it possible to conduct a reasoned analysis of the very real, earthly consequences of people's faith-based beliefs? Or is that only possible if you have the right and ability to criticise other religions?

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #108 - Mar 4^th, 2018 at 1:41pm

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If you choose to rely on faith, rather than reason, why are we discussing this at all, Augie? You don't need affirmation from me, afterall you have faith, now don't you? Tsk, tsk.

Brian is it possible to conduct a reasoned analysis of the very real, earthly consequences of people's faith-based beliefs? Or is that only possible if you have the right and ability to criticise other religions?

You have thus failed to show you have an understanding of Islam, Freediver, therefore I do not think you have the right or the ability to criticise it. When you realise just how ignorant you are, we might be able to have a discussion. Until then, all you're doing is showing your Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #109 - Mar 4^th, 2018 at 1:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 1:41pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

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If you choose to rely on faith, rather than reason, why are we discussing this at all, Augie? You don't need affirmation from me, afterall you have faith, now don't you? Tsk, tsk.

Brian is it possible to conduct a reasoned analysis of the very real, earthly consequences of people's faith-based beliefs? Or is that only possible if you have the right and ability to criticise other religions?

You have thus failed to show you have an understanding of Islam, Freediver, therefore I do not think you have the right or the ability to criticise it. When you realise just how ignorant you are, we might be able to have a discussion. Until then, all you're doing is showing your Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

So neither you nor I have the right or ability to criticise Islam?

Have you ever met anyone who does?

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #110 - Mar 4^th, 2018 at 2:16pm

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 1:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 1:41pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

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If you choose to rely on faith, rather than reason, why are we discussing this at all, Augie? You don't need affirmation from me, afterall you have faith, now don't you? Tsk, tsk.

Brian is it possible to conduct a reasoned analysis of the very real, earthly consequences of people's faith-based beliefs? Or is that only possible if you have the right and ability to criticise other religions?

You have thus failed to show you have an understanding of Islam, Freediver, therefore I do not think you have the right or the ability to criticise it. When you realise just how ignorant you are, we might be able to have a discussion. Until then, all you're doing is showing your Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

So neither you nor I have the right or ability to criticise Islam?

Have you ever met anyone who does?

Yes.

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #111 - Mar 4^th, 2018 at 6:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 2:16pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 1:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 1:41pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

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If you choose to rely on faith, rather than reason, why are we discussing this at all, Augie? You don't need affirmation from me, afterall you have faith, now don't you? Tsk, tsk.

Brian is it possible to conduct a reasoned analysis of the very real, earthly consequences of people's faith-based beliefs? Or is that only possible if you have the right and ability to criticise other religions?

You have thus failed to show you have an understanding of Islam, Freediver, therefore I do not think you have the right or the ability to criticise it. When you realise just how ignorant you are, we might be able to have a discussion. Until then, all you're doing is showing your Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

So neither you nor I have the right or ability to criticise Islam?

Have you ever met anyone who does?

Yes.

Was that exciting for you? Or scary?

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #112 - Mar 4^th, 2018 at 9:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 1:41pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

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If you choose to rely on faith, rather than reason, why are we discussing this at all, Augie? You don't need affirmation from me, afterall you have faith, now don't you? Tsk, tsk.

Brian is it possible to conduct a reasoned analysis of the very real, earthly consequences of people's faith-based beliefs? Or is that only possible if you have the right and ability to criticise other religions?

You have thus failed to show you have an understanding of Islam, Freediver, therefore I do not think you have the right or the ability to criticise it. When you realise just how ignorant you are, we might be able to have a discussion. Until then, all you're doing is showing your Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

You are complete idiot, Bwian.

Do you fully understand mass murderers? Yet you, like everyone else, criticise them.

Rapists? Do you understand rapists? Are you a rapist? Murderer? Pedo? Nazi?

No. You are an idiot. Idiocy is where you are fully at home, Bwian.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97235	Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ Reply #113 - Mar 4^th, 2018 at 9:29pm It certainly gave FD a thrill to put up that Moh cartoon. He took it down, of course. After all, FD has the lives of all his members to consider. Still, for a couple of days, FD really lived.
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 49042 Gender:	Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ Reply #114 - Mar 4^th, 2018 at 9:49pm Well, Mohammed was a pretty evil man by any account. He would be locked up or executed now if he did now what he did then. Jesus would get the Nobel Peace Prize. That's the difference - a war criminal and a peace maker.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97235	Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ Reply #115 - Mar 4^th, 2018 at 10:44pm Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 9:49pm: Well, Mohammed was a pretty evil man by any account. He would be locked up or executed now if he did now what he did then. Jesus would get the Nobel Peace Prize. That's the difference - a war criminal and a peace maker. Ah yes - like Kissenger, no? Kill them.
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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #116 - Mar 4^th, 2018 at 10:49pm

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 9:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 1:41pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

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If you choose to rely on faith, rather than reason, why are we discussing this at all, Augie? You don't need affirmation from me, afterall you have faith, now don't you? Tsk, tsk.

Brian is it possible to conduct a reasoned analysis of the very real, earthly consequences of people's faith-based beliefs? Or is that only possible if you have the right and ability to criticise other religions?

You have thus failed to show you have an understanding of Islam, Freediver, therefore I do not think you have the right or the ability to criticise it. When you realise just how ignorant you are, we might be able to have a discussion. Until then, all you're doing is showing your Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

You are complete idiot, Bwian.

Do you fully understand mass murderers? Yet you, like everyone else, criticise them.

Rapists? Do you understand rapists? Are you a rapist? Murderer? Pedo? Nazi?

No. You are an idiot. Idiocy is where you are fully at home, Bwian.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Still behaving like a little kiddy, Soren? Tsk, tsk, back to the little kiddies' playground for you. When you grow up up, well I might bother to notice you.

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #117 - Mar 5^th, 2018 at 7:20pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 10:44pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 9:49pm:

Well, Mohammed was a pretty evil man by any account. He would be locked up or executed now if he did now what he did then.

Jesus would get the Nobel Peace Prize. That's the difference - a war criminal and a peace maker.

Ah yes - like Kissenger, no?

Kill them.

No, not like Kissinger, you stupid arse-sucking pervert. Nobody gets killed for not accepting Kissinger as the final prophet, you contemptible lowlife. Go and suck arse, you Paki idiot. They will give you ten rupee.

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #118 - Mar 6^th, 2018 at 11:08am

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2018 at 7:20pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 10:44pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 9:49pm:

Well, Mohammed was a pretty evil man by any account. He would be locked up or executed now if he did now what he did then.

Jesus would get the Nobel Peace Prize. That's the difference - a war criminal and a peace maker.

Ah yes - like Kissenger, no?

Kill them.

you stupid arse-sucking pervert... you contemptible lowlife. Go and suck arse, you Paki idiot.

I'd say there's a Nobel Peace Prize for you, dear boy.

You?

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #119 - Mar 6^th, 2018 at 2:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 2:16pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 1:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 1:41pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 10:12am:

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If you choose to rely on faith, rather than reason, why are we discussing this at all, Augie? You don't need affirmation from me, afterall you have faith, now don't you? Tsk, tsk.

Brian is it possible to conduct a reasoned analysis of the very real, earthly consequences of people's faith-based beliefs? Or is that only possible if you have the right and ability to criticise other religions?

You have thus failed to show you have an understanding of Islam, Freediver, therefore I do not think you have the right or the ability to criticise it. When you realise just how ignorant you are, we might be able to have a discussion. Until then, all you're doing is showing your Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

So neither you nor I have the right or ability to criticise Islam?

Have you ever met anyone who does?

Yes.

Were they real, or a figment of your imagination, like those Christian terrorists who 'often' cite the book of Luke to justify terrorism?

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