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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #75 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 3:30pm

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 3:00pm:

Of course.

I have not investigated if what you say is true, I suspect not, bloke was a warlord in a violent age. But, unwittingly or not, yourself, and especially Brian, in your partisan and biased attempts to exonerate your religion from any blame or culpability lead me, and probably others to be doubtful of any justifications you offer.

Brian in particular is for me, a figure of mirth, in the mental gymnastics he must engage in.

My main concern is being of the this century, and of this time, and of the tolerant west, on viewing lessons evident from Islam in similar countries and evident in the bollards in our streets, Islam is a toxic and unwelcome influence.

You and of course Brian will deny this, religion of peace innit, nuffin to do wiv Islam. None the less, despite the denials, the aggression will continue, security costs will continue and every now and then, your fellow cultists will get one thorough and kill and maim.

That's the issue. Not debates if Mo raped or just consensually rooted a nine year old, but that nobbers take Mos examples as life lessons to be emulated as an example from that most perfect man.

Islam is a toxic and aggressive ideology and political system but I fear, it may win.

The left and fellow softcocks are on the ascendency in the West but burdened with guilt about colonialism and being anti west whilst being petrified of offending fellow virtue signallers they have submitted to relativism and are enabling and arguing themselves and everyone else into a regressive dark age.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. Nothing interest here. Just a load of tortured electrons.

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #76 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 3:56pm

@Brian Ross.

First of all, I do condemn the virulent beliefs of bigots on this forum. In fact, earlier today I officially declared Valkie to be racist and bigoted in the thread Spot the Aboriginal.

Second, can you provide evidence where a European medieval king, count or other has married a nine-year old???

Charlemagne’s wife was 17 when they married.

Edit: Justinian’s wife Theodora was 27 when she married Justinian in the 500s, 100 years earlier than Muhammad.

Constantine’s wife Fausta was 18 when she married in the 300s

Shall I go on?

The so called prophet of god is instructed by God to marry and consummate the marriage with a nine year old girl.

Very spiritual, innit?

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #78 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 5:15pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 3:56pm:

@Brian Ross.

First of all, I do condemn the virulent beliefs of bigots on this forum. In fact, earlier today I officially declared Valkie to be racist and bigoted in the thread Spot the Aboriginal.

Second, can you provide evidence where a European medieval king, count or other has married a nine-year old???

Charlemagne’s wife was 17 when they married.

Edit: Justinian’s wife Theodora was 27 when she married Justinian in the 500s, 100 years earlier than Muhammad.

Constantine’s wife Fausta was 18 when she married in the 300s

Shall I go on?

The so called prophet of god is instructed by God to marry and consummate the marriage with a nine year old girl.

Very spiritual, innit?

British Monarchs:

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The youngest monarch to marry was David II, who married Joan, daughter of Edward II when he was 4 years, 134 days old in 1328.

The youngest female monarch at the time of her marriage was Mary II, who was 15 years, 188 days old when she married William III in 1677.

The youngest queen consort was Isabella of Valois, who married Richard II when she was 6 years, 358 days old in 1396.

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list of child brides

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Margaret Beaufort, (age approximately 7) was married to John de la Pole (age 7) in 1450 by the arrangement John's father.[5] The marriage was annulled in 1453.[6]
Joan of France, Duchess of Berry, betrothed in a wedding contract at age 8 days old, she was officially married at age 12 in 1476.[7]
Anne de Mowbray, 8th Countess of Norfolk (age 6) was married to Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York (age 4) in 1477. She died at age 10 and he, as one of the Princes in the Tower is believed to have been murdered at age 10.[8]
Rukhmabai was married in India to her husband when she was 11 and he was 19.[9] After a lengthy court battle, the marriage was dissolved by an order from Queen Victoria and the publicity helped influence the passage of the Age of Consent Act, 1891, which increased age of consent for girls in India, married or unmarried, from 10 to 12.[10]
Janakiammal Iyengar was married at the age of 10 years to the Indian mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan.[11]
Nujood Ali, an arranged marriage by her father to a 30-year-old man at age 10[12] in 2008.[13] Coverage of her self-presented application for divorce later that year led to the legal age of marriage in Yemen to be raised to 18.[14]

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Henry The Young King, also called Henry Fitzhenry, (born February 28, 1155, London—died June 11, 1183, Martel, Quercy, France), second son of King Henry II of England by Eleanor of Aquitaine; he was regarded, after the death of his elder brother, William, in 1156, as his father’s successor in England, Normandy, and Anjou.

In 1158 Henry, only three years of age, was betrothed to Margaret, daughter of Louis VII of France and his second wife, on condition that Margaret’s dowry would be the Vexin, the border region between Normandy (then held by England) and France. Henry II took advantage of Pope Alexander III’s political difficulties to secure the Pope’s permission for the children to be married in 1160.

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He was five years old.

Guess you didn't look all that hard, hey, Augie? Roll Eyes

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 49024 Gender:	Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ Reply #79 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:17pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 28^th, 2018 at 8:36pm: Find an interesting chart here: Jesus and Muhammad, Islam and Christianity: A Side-by-Side Comparison. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx Bwian know all this too well but his mission is to lie and deceive about this stuff.
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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #80 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:24pm

Frank wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

Find an interesting chart here:

Jesus and Muhammad,
Islam and Christianity:
A Side-by-Side Comparison.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx

Bwian know all this too well but his mission is to lie and deceive about this stuff.

"Deceive"? Where have I "deceived" anybody, Soren? Tsk, tsk, erecting strawmen arguments yet again, hey? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #81 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:23pm

Frank wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 6:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28^th, 2018 at 8:36pm:

Find an interesting chart here:

Jesus and Muhammad,
Islam and Christianity:
A Side-by-Side Comparison.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx

Bwian know all this too well but his mission is to lie and deceive about this stuff.

Brian is forgiven but Gandalf is not forgiven
for he must have read it yet didn't comment.

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #82 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 7:56pm

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Muhammad and his followers were evicted from their homes, and had their properties confiscated while also an attempt was made on Muhammad's life.

Muhammad had bugger all followers until he started robbing Meccan trade caravans and murdering innocent traders from his base in Medina. Gandalf likes to flip flop between this murder and theft being an act of self defence and and act of retribution for Muhammad's mistreatment in Mecca. Again, this is Islam indoctrinating in it's followers a culture of instinctive hysterical over-reaction and victimhood mongering. Gandalf even acknowledged the problem of the victimhoom mongering among Muslims himself once, then went right back to victimhood mongering on behalf of Muhammad. Either way, there is no credible way to pass off Muhammad's long career as a highway robber and mass murderer as self defence. I have tried many times in futility to get Gandalf to address this point. He runs away every single time.

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Muhammad had done nothing but peaceful activism up to this point. FD literally pretends this didn't happen, and continues the lie that the caravan attacks (which happened about a year after this eviction and failed assassination attempt) was the very first attack in the war between the muslims and the pagans.

For most of the Muslims, it was the first attack. They only became followers of Muhammad to join in the looting.

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So, he did it for revenge?
attribute whatever motivation you like Augy - my only point was that FD lied about who attacked first.

Oh look, Gandalf is running away again.

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So, they drove him and the followers out of Mecca, and one year later, after being the leader of community in Medina, he then decides to take revenge on those who deported him???

Would you believe that Muslims try to pass this off as self defence? Every step of the way Muhammad was brutally violent in a way that cannot rationally be passed of as self defence. Yet Muslims still try.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 3:25pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 12:11pm:

Brian's Islamic apologism now compels him to support 50+ year old men having sex with their neighbour's 9 year old daughter.

Where is one word of "support" for that, FD? As usual, you tell porkie-pies to suit your attacks on Muslims. Tsk, tsk. What is the point, hey? You just hate Muslims. You're an Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

Would you like to offer an alternative interpretation Brian? Or have you suddenly realised you have no right or even ability to criticise other nations or religions?

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 2:40pm:

attribute whatever motivation you like Augy - my only point was that FD lied about who attacked first.

This is typical of Gandalf - tell all sorts of lies to try to justify Muhammad's genocidal tendencies (a good example here being that Muhammad only slaughtered people in self defence). Then when his lies are exposed insist that his "only point" is something that he mentioned a few pages later.

I will make a prediction. Gandalf will offer all sorts of absurd excuses for Muhammad's murdering ways. Some may make him look like a Nazi. If you explain this patiently enough he will eventually backpedal and insist he never said it. Some will merely make him look like a slippery Muslim, or confused. Eventually he will settle on whichever gets him mocked the least - probably inventing an alternative but plausible sounding narrative that has no historical basis and where none of the attrocities actually happened. Then he will insist that that was his only real argument and the rest were merely academic exercises about how it would have been justified if it had in fact happened.

We've seen it all before. He's more predictable than Brian.

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #83 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 8:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 5:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 3:56pm:

@Brian Ross.

First of all, I do condemn the virulent beliefs of bigots on this forum. In fact, earlier today I officially declared Valkie to be racist and bigoted in the thread Spot the Aboriginal.

Second, can you provide evidence where a European medieval king, count or other has married a nine-year old???

Charlemagne’s wife was 17 when they married.

Edit: Justinian’s wife Theodora was 27 when she married Justinian in the 500s, 100 years earlier than Muhammad.

Constantine’s wife Fausta was 18 when she married in the 300s

Shall I go on?

The so called prophet of god is instructed by God to marry and consummate the marriage with a nine year old girl.

Very spiritual, innit?

British Monarchs:

Quote:

The youngest monarch to marry was David II, who married Joan, daughter of Edward II when he was 4 years, 134 days old in 1328.

The youngest female monarch at the time of her marriage was Mary II, who was 15 years, 188 days old when she married William III in 1677.

The youngest queen consort was Isabella of Valois, who married Richard II when she was 6 years, 358 days old in 1396.

[Source]

list of child brides

Quote:

Margaret Beaufort, (age approximately 7) was married to John de la Pole (age 7) in 1450 by the arrangement John's father.[5] The marriage was annulled in 1453.[6]
Joan of France, Duchess of Berry, betrothed in a wedding contract at age 8 days old, she was officially married at age 12 in 1476.[7]
Anne de Mowbray, 8th Countess of Norfolk (age 6) was married to Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York (age 4) in 1477. She died at age 10 and he, as one of the Princes in the Tower is believed to have been murdered at age 10.[8]
Rukhmabai was married in India to her husband when she was 11 and he was 19.[9] After a lengthy court battle, the marriage was dissolved by an order from Queen Victoria and the publicity helped influence the passage of the Age of Consent Act, 1891, which increased age of consent for girls in India, married or unmarried, from 10 to 12.[10]
Janakiammal Iyengar was married at the age of 10 years to the Indian mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan.[11]
Nujood Ali, an arranged marriage by her father to a 30-year-old man at age 10[12] in 2008.[13] Coverage of her self-presented application for divorce later that year led to the legal age of marriage in Yemen to be raised to 18.[14]

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Henry The Young King, also called Henry Fitzhenry, (born February 28, 1155, London—died June 11, 1183, Martel, Quercy, France), second son of King Henry II of England by Eleanor of Aquitaine; he was regarded, after the death of his elder brother, William, in 1156, as his father’s successor in England, Normandy, and Anjou.

In 1158 Henry, only three years of age, was betrothed to Margaret, daughter of Louis VII of France and his second wife, on condition that Margaret’s dowry would be the Vexin, the border region between Normandy (then held by England) and France. Henry II took advantage of Pope Alexander III’s political difficulties to secure the Pope’s permission for the children to be married in 1160.

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He was five years old.

Guess you didn't look all that hard, hey, Augie? Roll Eyes

Wow! Are you serious? In each of those cases the groom was the same age as the bride. Louis was 14 and she was 12.

Your apologist is bordering on delusion.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 49024 Gender:	Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ Reply #85 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 8:47pm Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 8:43pm: Cleopatra was married to her 6 year old brother. Does that count? Miam miam. And who exactly is trying to introduce laws and customs based on her example, you idiotic Paki arse clown? Do explain if you can speak with a gobful of miam-miam. .
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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #86 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 8:56pm

Frank wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 8:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 8:43pm:

Cleopatra was married to her 6 year old brother. Does that count?

Miam miam.

And who exactly is trying to introduce laws and customs based on her example, you idiotic Paki arse clown?

Do explain if you can speak with a gobful of miam-miam.

That's a hard one, old boy. Who's trying to lower the age of consent to 6?

Please excuse me, I'm a bit distracted. I'm putting you down for your 2am insemination. Does that work for you?

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Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ
Reply #87 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 9:54pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 8:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 5:15pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 3:56pm:

@Brian Ross.

First of all, I do condemn the virulent beliefs of bigots on this forum. In fact, earlier today I officially declared Valkie to be racist and bigoted in the thread Spot the Aboriginal.

Second, can you provide evidence where a European medieval king, count or other has married a nine-year old???

Charlemagne’s wife was 17 when they married.

Edit: Justinian’s wife Theodora was 27 when she married Justinian in the 500s, 100 years earlier than Muhammad.

Constantine’s wife Fausta was 18 when she married in the 300s

Shall I go on?

The so called prophet of god is instructed by God to marry and consummate the marriage with a nine year old girl.

Very spiritual, innit?

British Monarchs:

Quote:

The youngest monarch to marry was David II, who married Joan, daughter of Edward II when he was 4 years, 134 days old in 1328.

The youngest female monarch at the time of her marriage was Mary II, who was 15 years, 188 days old when she married William III in 1677.

The youngest queen consort was Isabella of Valois, who married Richard II when she was 6 years, 358 days old in 1396.

[Source]

list of child brides

Quote:

Margaret Beaufort, (age approximately 7) was married to John de la Pole (age 7) in 1450 by the arrangement John's father.[5] The marriage was annulled in 1453.[6]
Joan of France, Duchess of Berry, betrothed in a wedding contract at age 8 days old, she was officially married at age 12 in 1476.[7]
Anne de Mowbray, 8th Countess of Norfolk (age 6) was married to Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York (age 4) in 1477. She died at age 10 and he, as one of the Princes in the Tower is believed to have been murdered at age 10.[8]
Rukhmabai was married in India to her husband when she was 11 and he was 19.[9] After a lengthy court battle, the marriage was dissolved by an order from Queen Victoria and the publicity helped influence the passage of the Age of Consent Act, 1891, which increased age of consent for girls in India, married or unmarried, from 10 to 12.[10]
Janakiammal Iyengar was married at the age of 10 years to the Indian mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan.[11]
Nujood Ali, an arranged marriage by her father to a 30-year-old man at age 10[12] in 2008.[13] Coverage of her self-presented application for divorce later that year led to the legal age of marriage in Yemen to be raised to 18.[14]

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Quote:

Henry The Young King, also called Henry Fitzhenry, (born February 28, 1155, London—died June 11, 1183, Martel, Quercy, France), second son of King Henry II of England by Eleanor of Aquitaine; he was regarded, after the death of his elder brother, William, in 1156, as his father’s successor in England, Normandy, and Anjou.

In 1158 Henry, only three years of age, was betrothed to Margaret, daughter of Louis VII of France and his second wife, on condition that Margaret’s dowry would be the Vexin, the border region between Normandy (then held by England) and France. Henry II took advantage of Pope Alexander III’s political difficulties to secure the Pope’s permission for the children to be married in 1160.

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He was five years old.

Guess you didn't look all that hard, hey, Augie? Roll Eyes

Wow! Are you serious? In each of those cases the groom was the same age as the bride. Louis was 14 and she was 12.

Your apologist is bordering on delusion.

Really?

Richard II was 39 when he married Isabella of Valois who was 6 years old.
Rukhmabai was married in India to her husband when she was 11 and he was 19.
Janakiammal Iyengar was married at the age of 10 years to the Indian mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan when he was 32.
Nujood Ali, an arranged marriage by her father to a 30-year-old man at age 10.

Guess your maths isn't all that good, hey, Augie? Roll Eyes

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97221	Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ Reply #88 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 9:58pm Who's on the night shift, Brian? The old boy's down for his 2am protein.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43048	Re: Muhammad as the anti-christ Reply #89 - Mar 1^st, 2018 at 10:00pm Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2018 at 9:58pm: Who's on the night shift, Brian? The old boy's down for his 2am protein. Not me, mate. I wouldn't piss on him, let alone inject him with anything...
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