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Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam
Reply #30 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

Can you explain why the almost-identical verse 8:39 also uses fitna in a way that cannot possibly be interpreted as persecution?

no, because it doesn't.

(hint: 8:39 doesn't say "in the whole of the world" - Khan made that up.)

Sahih International:

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And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

FD? That's the Quran.

Shurely shome mishtake. You said you were going to quote the Bible.

What's the matter? Cat got your tongue?

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Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam
Reply #31 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:24pm

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah

Would you like to offer your interpretation of this Gandalf?

err 'religion, all of it' = entire world? Is that your answer FD?

Maybe it means the religion of Islam - all of it - is dedicated to Allah alone (ie not for idols etc)??

I'm confused FD, can you explain to me where the connection to physical land/territory is here?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam
Reply #32 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah

Would you like to offer your interpretation of this Gandalf?

err 'religion, all of it' = entire world? Is that your answer FD?

Maybe it means the religion of Islam - all of it - is dedicated to Allah alone (ie not for idols etc)??

I'm confused FD, can you explain to me where the connection to physical land/territory is here?

Well, can you explain to us all where the connection to whatever FD says is not here?

That'll get him, FD. So unfair.

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Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam
Reply #33 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah

Would you like to offer your interpretation of this Gandalf?

err 'religion, all of it' = entire world? Is that your answer FD?

Maybe it means the religion of Islam - all of it - is dedicated to Allah alone (ie not for idols etc)??

I'm confused FD, can you explain to me where the connection to physical land/territory is here?

You are not confused, you are lying, knowingly.

You DO know that the aim is to have the entire world submit to Islam, NOT that just all Muslims submit to Islam and "Allah alone (ie not for idols etc)"

You seem to think you can lie without being noticed. But you are not among Muslim Arabs in the market here to whom SEEMING is Being.

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Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam
Reply #34 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah

Would you like to offer your interpretation of this Gandalf?

err 'religion, all of it' = entire world? Is that your answer FD?

Maybe it means the religion of Islam - all of it - is dedicated to Allah alone (ie not for idols etc)??

I'm confused FD, can you explain to me where the connection to physical land/territory is here?

I agree.

So the Quran says to fight the disbelievers until Islam is for Allah?

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Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam
Reply #35 - Mar 10^th, 2018 at 1:21pm

Frank wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah

Would you like to offer your interpretation of this Gandalf?

err 'religion, all of it' = entire world? Is that your answer FD?

Maybe it means the religion of Islam - all of it - is dedicated to Allah alone (ie not for idols etc)??

I'm confused FD, can you explain to me where the connection to physical land/territory is here?

You are not confused, you are lying, knowingly.

You DO know that the aim is to have the entire world submit to Islam, NOT that just all Muslims submit to Islam and "Allah alone (ie not for idols etc)"

You seem to think you can lie without being noticed. But you are not among Muslim Arabs in the market here to whom SEEMING is Being.

You are aware that Christianity, being an evangelical religion, just like Islam, also seeks world-wide domination? You are aware that Christianity has, several times, mounted expeditions around the world to dominate it? Or are Christians exempt from analysis under the microscope, in your view, Soren? Tsk, tsk. Christianity, the only religion that is protected in Soren's world. He can be offended if people look too closely at Christianity, hey? Roll Eyes

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Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam
Reply #36 - Mar 10^th, 2018 at 2:14pm

Amazing how the apologists use the excuse: "The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there," to excuse islamic terrorism in the past.

Yet they wan't to drag up the past of non muslims to once again, you guessed it, excuse islamic terrorism.

Well the facts are:

The present is right here right now

Australian National Security, Listed terrorist organisations

Currently, 24 organisations are listed as terrorist organisations under the Criminal Code. They are:

•Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Al-Murabitun
Listed 5 November 2014, re-listed 2 November 2017

•Al-Qa'ida (AQ)
Listed 21 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
Listed 26 November 2010, re-listed 26 November 2013 and 26 November 2016.

•Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS)
Listed 28 November 2016

•Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Al-Shabaab
Listed 22 August 2009, re-listed 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

•Boko Haram
Listed 26 June 2014 and re-listed 27 June 2017.

•Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

•Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO)
Listed 5 June 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 25 May 2007, 16 May 2009, 12 May 2012 and 2 May 2015

•Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012, 3 March 2015 and 3 March 2018

•Islamic State
Formerly listed as Al-Qa’ida in Iraq—2 March 2005, re-listed 17 Feb 2007, 1 Nov 2008, 29 Oct 2010, 12 July 2013. Formerly listed as Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant on 14 Dec 2013. Listed 11 July 2014 as Islamic State and re-listed 1 July 2017.

•Islamic State East Asia
Listed 8 September 2017

•Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya)
Listed 28 November 2016

•Islamic State Khorasan Province
2 November 2017

•Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai)
Listed 28 November 2016.

•Jabhat al-Nusra
Listed 29 June 2013, re-listed 28 June 2016 and amended on 4 November 2016 to include alias Jabhat Fatah al-Sham.

•Jaish-e-Mohammad
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012, 3 March 2015 and 3 March 2018.

•Jamiat ul-Ansar (JuA)
Formerly known as Harakat Ul-Mujahideen—Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Jemaah Islamiyah (JI)
Listed 27 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
Listed 17 December 2005, re-listed 28 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

•Lashkar-e Jhangvi
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012, 3 March 2015 and 3 March 2018.

•Lashkar-e-Tayyiba
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

•Palestinian Islamic Jihad
Listed 3 May 2004, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

islam is the present death cult, it's got nothing to do with Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists whatever, the world has a terrorist problem today 2018, that problem is islam.

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Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam
Reply #37 - Mar 10^th, 2018 at 3:09pm

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. What a hackneyed old tale you tell, Moses. You don't like Christianity being examined in the same way Islam is, do you? I wonder why? What mysteries will be revealed by looking closely at what Christianity has done and is doing, I wonder? Could it be that it's past is just as murky as Islam's? That both religions have tried to take over the world and failed? Is it the failure that upsets you the most? That the majority of the world isn't attracted to Christianity the way you are, in your simpleminded way? Tsk, tsk. Time you woke up, that your religion is just as blood thirsty as any other. That it attempts to impose it's values on non-believers just as violent as does Islam. Roll Eyes

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam Reply #38 - Mar 10^th, 2018 at 3:20pm The facts of today 2018: The top 24 listed terrorist organizations in the world are the present threat. No one else is to blame, it's a muslim problem, and can only be solved by muslims and their apologists telling the truth about the root cause of islamic terrorism (islam).
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95255 Gender:	Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam Reply #39 - Mar 10^th, 2018 at 3:40pm Yes, Moses, the past is a foreign country. We defend the parents of Yeheshua too. Joseph was in his 90s. The Virgin Mary was 12. That's just how they did things then. It is a jolly world, no?
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam Reply #40 - Mar 11^th, 2018 at 3:12pm Which has got exactly what to do with the fact that muslims are the worlds top 24 listed terrorist groups, right now 2018? Why are you so desperate to hide the murderous facts about islam, in todays' modern world?
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam Reply #41 - Mar 11^th, 2018 at 3:29pm Karnal is a Muzlim.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95255 Gender:	Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam Reply #42 - Mar 12^th, 2018 at 9:07am issuevoter wrote on Mar 11^th, 2018 at 3:29pm: Karnal is a Muzlim. Karnal is a jolly agnostic. You?
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 44492 Gender:	Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam Reply #43 - Mar 12^th, 2018 at 6:25pm http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1515476979/6#6
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40863	Re: Quran demands violence to impose Islam Reply #44 - Mar 12^th, 2018 at 6:32pm Frank wrote on Mar 12^th, 2018 at 6:25pm: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1515476979/6#6 Totally irrelevant, Soren. Wasting our time now? Tsk, tsk.
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