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Reply #90 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 3:43pm
 
Panther wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 3:38pm:
Bottom line, the US Constitution is the most sacred document the Americans have, & they hold it to themselves as dearly as life itself. They have attempted to alter it, change it, & amend it over 11,000 times during it's 230+ years of existence.

Outside of the first 10 Amendments to the Peoples Document, called affectionately as the Bill of Rights.....the People have only passed 17 Amendments through the process. The government doesn't own the document, the People do, yet only 17 Amendments out of 11,000 attempts. That says something.....the American People wish to maintain what they have, & live with the Freedom & Liberties they cherish. Death is a fact of life, & Americans understand the facts. The government can't change the law (the Constitution), only the People can......& the people will not budge......Our bones will be dust before any significant changes are made by the American People, that is if any changes are actually employed at all.

They know the costs, but those costs aren't due to laws or lack of laws, they are all due to the actions of criminals, who are an unfortunate part of Society, a small part, but exist they do & will always be part of the American Society.

Americans alone can alter their fate, & they are who will chose to live or die in the comforts of their own Freedoms & Liberties.

It isn't up to their government.

In America the US Government is permitted to govern only through the consent of the governed (the People), & are given specific, but limited powers, enumerated in the U S Constitution. Any powers not specifically given to the government by the People, belong solely to the America People, & the States.....who must also strictly adhere to the powers given to them by the People in their individual State Constitutions.

No other peoples on this planet can affect changes in America.....it belongs to the Americans, & they will do, or not do, as they please.   Wink


You know as well as I do that the Constitution can be amended only if ratified by the States; the people have no say directly over the amendments.
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Reply #91 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 4:11pm
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 3:43pm:
Panther wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 3:38pm:
Bottom line, the US Constitution is the most sacred document the Americans have, & they hold it to themselves as dearly as life itself.

Over the years they have attempted to alter it, change it, & amend it over 11,000 times during it's 230+ years of existence.

Outside of the first 10 Amendments to the Peoples Document, called affectionately as the Bill of Rights.....the People have only passed 17 Amendments through the process. The government doesn't own the document, the People do, yet only 17 Amendments out of 11,000 attempts. That says something.....the American People wish to maintain what they have, & live with the Freedom & Liberties they cherish. Death is a fact of life, & Americans understand the facts. The government can't change the law (the Constitution), only the People can......& the people will not budge unless they wish to.....not one second earlier.........IMHO....Our bones will be dust before any significant changes are made by the American People, that is if any changes are actually employed at all.

They know the costs, but those costs aren't due to laws or lack of laws, they are all due to the actions of criminals, who are an unfortunate part of Society, a small part, but exist they do & will always be part of the American Society.

Americans alone can alter their fate, & they are who will chose to live or die in the comforts of their own Freedoms & Liberties.

It isn't up to their government.

In America the US Government is permitted to govern only through the consent of the governed (the People), & are given specific, but limited powers, enumerated in the U S Constitution. Any powers not specifically given to the government by the People, belong solely to the America People, & the States.....who must also strictly adhere to the powers given to them by the People in their individual State Constitutions.

The opinions expressed here are only opinions, well intended as they might be, but they hold no weight in the decision making of the American People. Only facts are important......The fact is no other peoples on this planet can affect changes in America.....it belongs to the Americans, & they will do, or not do, as they please.   Wink


You know as well as I do that the Constitution can be amended only if ratified by the States; the people have no say directly over the amendments.


Yes, 38 States out of the total of 50 must ratify an amendment for it to become the Law of the Land,  the US Constitution.

Only 13 States need to reject an amendment for it to fail.....

How do those 50 States ratify?

What are their processes?    .......   Do you know?

How many of them require referendums or Constitutional Conventions -- direct votes of the people --  that the State Representatives (hired by the people) must honor in their ratification process....... How many of them require referendums & or Conventions? 5 States.....10 States.....15 States.....20 States?

How many?

Anything over 12 States, of the 50 total States, puts the Amendment decision directly in the hands of the People......& as you should know voting is not mandatory in any of the 50 States.

So, do you know how many State Constitutions, also written by the People via Constitutional Conventions, require Referendums or Constitutional Conventions.....or more specifically, the direct involvement of the People in one form or another?
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Reply #92 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 5:02pm
 
Panther wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 4:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 3:43pm:
Panther wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 3:38pm:
Bottom line, the US Constitution is the most sacred document the Americans have, & they hold it to themselves as dearly as life itself.

Over the years they have attempted to alter it, change it, & amend it over 11,000 times during it's 230+ years of existence.

Outside of the first 10 Amendments to the Peoples Document, called affectionately as the Bill of Rights.....the People have only passed 17 Amendments through the process. The government doesn't own the document, the People do, yet only 17 Amendments out of 11,000 attempts. That says something.....the American People wish to maintain what they have, & live with the Freedom & Liberties they cherish. Death is a fact of life, & Americans understand the facts. The government can't change the law (the Constitution), only the People can......& the people will not budge unless they wish to.....not one second earlier.........IMHO....Our bones will be dust before any significant changes are made by the American People, that is if any changes are actually employed at all.

They know the costs, but those costs aren't due to laws or lack of laws, they are all due to the actions of criminals, who are an unfortunate part of Society, a small part, but exist they do & will always be part of the American Society.

Americans alone can alter their fate, & they are who will chose to live or die in the comforts of their own Freedoms & Liberties.

It isn't up to their government.

In America the US Government is permitted to govern only through the consent of the governed (the People), & are given specific, but limited powers, enumerated in the U S Constitution. Any powers not specifically given to the government by the People, belong solely to the America People, & the States.....who must also strictly adhere to the powers given to them by the People in their individual State Constitutions.

The opinions expressed here are only opinions, well intended as they might be, but they hold no weight in the decision making of the American People. Only facts are important......The fact is no other peoples on this planet can affect changes in America.....it belongs to the Americans, & they will do, or not do, as they please.   Wink


You know as well as I do that the Constitution can be amended only if ratified by the States; the people have no say directly over the amendments.


Yes, 38 States out of the total of 50 must ratify an amendment for it to become the Law of the Land,  the US Constitution.

Only 13 States need to reject an amendment for it to fail.....

How do those 50 States ratify?

What are their processes?    .......   Do you know?

How many of them require referendums or Constitutional Conventions -- direct votes of the people --  that the State Representatives (hired by the people) must honor in their ratification process....... How many of them require referendums & or Conventions? 5 States.....10 States.....15 States.....20 States?

How many?

Anything over 12 States, of the 50 total States, puts the Amendment decision directly in the hands of the People......& as you should know voting is not mandatory in any of the 50 States.

So, do you know how many State Constitutions, also written by the People via Constitutional Conventions, require Referendums or Constitutional Conventions.....or more specifically, the direct involvement of the People in one form or another?
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But, not all 38 States?? Only 12?
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Reply #93 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 5:18pm
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 5:02pm:
But, not all 38 States?? Only 12?


In order to ratify an Amendment to the US Constitution, 3/4 of the 50 States (38 States) must Ratify an Amendment in order for the Amendment to the US Constitution to pass.

38 is the magic number.....for passage/ratification

That means only 13 of the 50 States needs to reject the Amendment in order for the Amendment to fail, & the Amendment process is ended.

13 is the magic number.......for rejection

Any attempt to pass the same Amendment, or another Amendment, must start from scratch in the US House & US Senate.



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Reply #94 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 5:35pm
 
Panther wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 5:18pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 5:02pm:
But, not all 38 States?? Only 12?


In order to ratify an Amendment to the US Constitution, 3/4 of the 50 States (38 States) must Ratify an Amendment in order for the Amendment to the US Constitution to pass.

38 is the magic number.....for passage/ratification

That means only 13 of the 50 States needs to reject the Amendment in order for the Amendment to fail, & the Amendment process is ended.

13 is the magic number.......for rejection

Any attempt to pass the same Amendment, or another Amendment, must start from scratch in the US House & US Senate.



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Exactly, so when you say: "only the people decide", that's not actually correct, is it?
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Reply #95 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:21pm
 
Panther wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 3:38pm:
Bottom line, the US Constitution is the most sacred document the Americans have, & they hold it to themselves as dearly as life itself.

Over the years they have attempted to alter it, change it, & amend it over 11,000 times during it's 230+ years of existence.

Outside of the first 10 Amendments to the Peoples Document, called affectionately as the Bill of Rights.....the People have only passed 17 Amendments through the process. The government doesn't own the document, the People do, yet only 17 Amendments out of 11,000 attempts. That says something.....the American People wish to maintain what they have, & live with the Freedom & Liberties they cherish. Death is a fact of life, & Americans understand the facts. The government can't change the law (the Constitution), only the People can......& the people will not budge unless they wish to.....not one second earlier.........IMHO....Our bones will be dust before any significant changes are made by the American People, that is if any changes are actually employed at all.

They know the costs, but those costs aren't due to laws or lack of laws, they are all due to the actions of criminals, who are an unfortunate part of Society, a small part, but exist they do & will always be part of the American Society.

Americans alone can alter their fate, & they are who will chose to live or die in the comforts of their own Freedoms & Liberties.

It isn't up to their government.

In America the US Government is permitted to govern only through the consent of the governed (the People), & are given specific, but limited powers, enumerated in the U S Constitution. Any powers not specifically given to the government by the People, belong solely to the America People, & the States.....who must also strictly adhere to the powers given to them by the People in their individual State Constitutions.

The opinions expressed here are only opinions, well intended as they might be, but they hold no weight in the decision making of the American People. Only facts are important......The fact is no other peoples on this planet can affect changes in America.....it belongs to the Americans, & they will do, or not do, as they please.   Wink


1- Here is the bottom line. You claim it to be the most sacred document that Americans have, many hold it as dearly as life itself.
This sacred document that 1 in 3 Americans couldn't name a single right protected by the 1st Amendment.
This sacred document that only 1 in 4 could name the three branches of Government.
A sacred document that everyone in the US is entitled to and thus due process of law and the right to make their case before the courts. Yet 53% of Americans believe the Constitution affords undocumented immigrants no rights.
This sacred document that didn't, until 1965 guarantee black people’s right to vote

How sacred is this document, and how much does this document really mean to people....your claim sounded convincing but is the terming of "many" actually true. Being the law of the land does not imply agreeance with or support of.

2- 11,000 times with only a dozen success. This raises questions as to the Constitutions malleability and adaptability for new interpretations or insights?? The textual integrity of such a document is quite harrowing in some areas, given its application to modern days. Additionally, just because some wasn't passed doesn't not mean their wasn't a split of 55/45, which highlights there is still immense support on one side. The Government cannot change it but they have to initiate it, the Government does then have to apply due laws into legislation to provide some weight, with the courts then interpreting it.

On your notion of death, yes it is a fact of life, but death by firearm should not be a fact of life. Especially for children who are attending school it is not a fact of life for them, I find that quite insulting for you to have the hide to state such.

Both our implications are assumptions, none of which has an outstanding to claim to be correct

3- So you claim criminals don't fall under the legislation and thus cannot be swayed or then impacted by legislation?? Its as if you claim that nothing can be done about criminals.

4- So did those people walking down the Las Vegas strip have the intention to die, that is they choose to??
What about those children attending school, in Parkland Florida??

5- The government is in place to create an order, that is legislate, lead and thus be this body that can essentially act as a mechanism to the needs of society. Not people, because that implies individuals, a collective society. Now sometimes these needs are not seen by the majority and thus must be acted upon, as it is for the greater good of society.



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Reply #96 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:47pm
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 5:35pm:
Panther wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 5:18pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 5:02pm:
But, not all 38 States?? Only 12?


In order to ratify an Amendment to the US Constitution, 3/4 of the 50 States (38 States) must Ratify an Amendment in order for the Amendment to the US Constitution to pass.

38 is the magic number.....for passage/ratification

That means only 13 of the 50 States needs to reject the Amendment in order for the Amendment to fail, & the Amendment process is ended.

13 is the magic number.......for rejection

Any attempt to pass the same Amendment, or another Amendment, must start from scratch in the US House & US Senate.



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Exactly, so when you say: "only the people decide", that's not actually correct, is it?



Well, yes it is......in those States where the State Constitution dictate a Referendum, or a State Convention, those States must have direct voting to determine Passage or Rejection.

Now, as opposed to State Wide US House or US State votes, the State Local Representative voting is similar to our Shire or Council voting....these Representatives are neighbors to their constituents. The people elect the representatives, & if the representatives don't honor their wishes, they have a swift recall, & then an emergency local representative reelection. But all in all the people will not tolerate their local representatives if they are commanded to vote one way (they have mandatory weekly town hall meetings, so the representatives are quite aware of their voting 'orders') they must vote the way the people demand, or go onto the unemployment line, get shot at, or watch their house burn down.....remember we are talking American's here, not herded sheep that fear government.......the local judges & sheriffs are hired by the People via elections, not hired by the government......so they know when to get involved or look the other way.....that simple.

So in the end if 90 Representatives are told in their Town Hall Meetings to vote against.....89 will probably do just that, if not all 90.....very rarely do the voters get the shaft from local representatives.....they don't have much to insulate themselves from an angry mob of gun totin' rednecks. Who votes how is made known immediately, as soon as the Representative votes......when the Representative votes there is no such thing as a 'secret' ballot....So all in all, it's the same as if the people had their individual votes counted.....the people control the Representatives, not like here where Councils/Shires get out of hand & away from the will of the people.

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Reply #97 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:54pm
 
The context of a constitution is that it is universal - meaning it also provides protections and right for those who may not even understand it. 

A criminal will most certainly not be bound by the rights of others - that is the essence of being criminal.

The government does indeed create order - but some do not abide by it. The essence of the Wyatt Earp Vendetta was, in fact, a dispute between opposing factions of legally elected Law... in the pursuit of Order... both 'sides' were elected and sworn officers of law - only one could be right about what constituted Order.

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Reply #99 - Apr 24th, 2018 at 9:27am
 
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 9:27am:
I'd try but I'm sure you've stuck the pages together.


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Reply #102 - Apr 26th, 2018 at 5:30am
 
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The left and their allies in media have spent almost three months demonizing the National Rifle Association. They even tried to blame the NRA for the shooting in Parkland, which is absurd.

All of this attention has completely backfired. The NRA just broke a fundraising record.

McClatchy reports:

The NRA just broke a 15-year fundraising record


As the student-led March for Our Lives movement captured the nation’s attention in the weeks after the Parkland shooting, the other side of the gun control debate enjoyed a banner month of its own.

The National Rifle Association’s Political Victory Fund raised $2.4 million from March 1 to March 31, the group’s first full month of political fundraising since the nation’s deadliest high school shooting on Valentine’s Day, according to filings submitted to the Federal Elections Commission. The total is $1.5 million more than the organization raised during the same time period in 2017, when it took in $884,000 in donations, and $1.6 million more than it raised in February 2018.

The $2.4 million haul is the most money raised by the NRA’s political arm in one month since June 2003, the last month when electronic federal records were readily available. It surpasses the $1.1 million and $1.5 million raised in January and February 2013, the two months after the Sandy Hook school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.

Let’s hope the left keeps attacking the NRA. It’s working out beautifully.
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Reply #103 - Apr 26th, 2018 at 11:08am
 
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BTW.........a while back someone posted gleefully that American Gun Manufacturing was dying because Remington Firearms, one of America's oldest gun makers, went bankrupt, & other less catchy falsehoods.

It's absolutely amazing how little is know about American law. Take Bankruptcy for instance. People here thing that means being forced to go out of business.....going broke with all their assets being discharged.

Well, President Trump did it 6 times, & he's still the head of an empire, along with still being a billionaire.

When an American Company sees Bankruptcy in it's future, all it means is that it is in strife, & needs protection from it's creditors while it restructures it's business with a workable plan to get 'out of the hole'. The US Courts give Remington & other such business this relief. The halt all claims by their creditors & restructure the companies debt so it can survive, making repayments to those creditors at markedly lower rates than originally negotiated...over much longer periods of time. It also ensures that the companies employees are safe from devastating loss of jobs, or cuts to vital income during the restructure. The Companies basically continue business as usual, & as long as they stick to the Court's Plan, in a few years the Bankruptcy is washed from their credit history.

This is what Remington Firearms is doing. It filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy protection, & the Courts set them cover to continue business as close to usual as possible while they restructure.


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American firearms companies aren't going away. Remington has survived for over 200 years, & looks like 200 more to come....
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Reply #104 - Apr 26th, 2018 at 11:11am
 
Panther wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 9:27am:
I'd try but I'm sure you've stuck the pages together.


WTF you on about now DonkeyBoy????!!  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/faint.png

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