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Reply #30 - May 3rd, 2018 at 8:34pm
 
Super Nova wrote on May 3rd, 2018 at 7:54pm:
It is scientific to declare their ajustments in their findings and the projection models. So I don't see your point. if you declare it, not hide it, it is an assumption like any other. That doesn't mean it is to be dismissed because you want a degree of clarity on a chaotic system that is not possible.



It simply doesn't reflect reality.

"And so, the study begs the question: how has growing season precipitation changed in this 100th meridian zone? Using NOAA’s own official statewide average precipitation statistics, this is how the rainfall observations for the primary agricultural states in the zone (North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma) have fared every year between 1900 and 2017:"

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"What we see is that there has been, so far, no evidence of decreasing precipitation amounts exactly where the authors claim it will occur (and according to press reports, has already occurred).

To the authors’ credit, in their final “Discussion and Conclusions” section of the research paper they admit:

    “First, we have shown that state-of-the-art models simulate the aridity gradient across North America poorly.”

    “Second, while current Earth system models predict widespread declines in soil moisture and increases in continental aridity, they also simulate increases in net primary productivity. This is because, within the models, the beneficial effects on photosynthesis and water-use efficiency of increased CO2 overwhelm the effects of increased temperature and vapor pressure deficit.” (emphasis added) "

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2018/04/the-100th-meridian-agricultural-scare-anothe...
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Reply #31 - May 3rd, 2018 at 8:39pm
 
Super Nova wrote on May 3rd, 2018 at 7:52pm:
I guess 160 years is what we have data for. Anecdotal evidence of loggers doesn't cut it but i see your point.



Yes. It is only anecdotal evidence on which people relied to survive the frozen north. Probably full of errors. /sarc
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Reply #32 - May 3rd, 2018 at 9:06pm
 
lee wrote on May 3rd, 2018 at 8:34pm:
    “Second, while current Earth system models predict widespread declines in soil moisture and increases in continental aridity, they also simulate increases in net primary productivity. This is because, within the models, the beneficial effects on photosynthesis and water-use efficiency of increased CO2 overwhelm the effects of increased temperature and vapor pressure deficit.” (emphasis added) "


I love this one. We can say AGW is good because increased CO2 will make our plant grow faster and they will utilize the water better..... that is a laughable argument.
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Reply #33 - May 3rd, 2018 at 9:23pm
 
Super Nova wrote on May 3rd, 2018 at 9:06pm:
lee wrote on May 3rd, 2018 at 8:34pm:
    “Second, while current Earth system models predict widespread declines in soil moisture and increases in continental aridity, they also simulate increases in net primary productivity. This is because, within the models, the beneficial effects on photosynthesis and water-use efficiency of increased CO2 overwhelm the effects of increased temperature and vapor pressure deficit.” (emphasis added) "


I love this one. We can say AGW is good because increased CO2 will make our plant grow faster and they will utilize the water better..... that is a laughable argument.



Really? Why is that? Plants use less water when there is more CO2. Proven in Greenhouses. Now as to how much warming CO2 will cause; who knows. Recent papers have put lower bounds on ECS and TCR. And the CMIP5 models are still running hot by a factor of about 2.

"Using infilled, globally-complete temperature data gives slightly higher estimates; a median of 1.66 K for ECS (5−95%: 1.15−2.7 K) and 1.33 K for TCR (5−95%:1.0−1.90 K). These ECS estimates reflect climate feedbacks over the historical period, assumed time-invariant. Allowing for possible time-varying climate feedbacks increases the median ECS estimate to 1.76 K (5−95%: 1.2−3.1 K), using infilled temperature data. Possible biases from non-unit forcing efficacy, temperature estimation issues and variability in sea-surface temperature change patterns are examined and found to be minor when using globally-complete temperature data. These results imply that high ECS and TCR values derived from a majority of CMIP5 climate models are inconsistent with observed warming during the historical period. "

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/10.1175/JCLI-D-17-0667.1
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Reply #34 - May 3rd, 2018 at 9:30pm
 
What does "models are still running hot by a factor of about 2" mean?

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Reply #35 - May 3rd, 2018 at 9:39pm
 
Super Nova wrote on May 3rd, 2018 at 9:30pm:
What does "models are still running hot by a factor of about 2" mean?



It means models are running twice as hot as observations.

BTW - you did notice that the quote to which you referred was from the Paper that was cited by Scientific American?

So it looks like you believe parts of the paper and disagree with other parts of the paper.

How sad.

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Reply #36 - Jul 6th, 2023 at 8:53am
 
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Reply #37 - Jul 7th, 2023 at 11:51am
 
But the Cult of Warming grows ever more extreme...https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/green-mafia-loses-collective-mind Roll Eyes
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