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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #240 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:45pm

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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......

'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.

Yeah - apart from the roads, and health standards, and public order, and the wine - don't forget the wine - clean streets, mean streets, any streets at all, education, free money, reliable food source....what else - I ask you... WHAT ELSE HAS THE WHITE MAN DONE FOR US, EH??

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Exactly Grapp Grin

No, the question is: what have the Romans done for us?

Spot the difference?

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #241 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:45pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

John Smith loves Botswana. Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.

So, despite this, the country still functions effectively, doesn't it.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #242 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:36pm:

Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?

As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten. I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered. What are you referring to? Roll Eyes

Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #243 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:48pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

John Smith loves Botswana. Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.

So, despite this, the country still functions effectively, doesn't it.

It only has 2 million people and sells it's natural resources to China. That's the only propping it's economy up. Yet it's still full of sick and impoverished people. It's a craphole.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #244 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:53pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

John Smith loves Botswana. Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.

So, despite this, the country still functions effectively, doesn't it.

No, it doesn't.

It's always got it's hands out begging for support/aid or anything it can get.

If any of its people thought they had half a chance, they would be out of there.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #245 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:58pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:48pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

John Smith loves Botswana. Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.

So, despite this, the country still functions effectively, doesn't it.

It only has 2 million people and sells it's natural resources to China. That's the only propping it's economy up. Yet it's still full of sick and impoverished people. It's a craphole.

As compared to other countries where they don't spend a single dollar on their people, Botswana does very well.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #246 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:00pm

Valkie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:53pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

John Smith loves Botswana. Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.

So, despite this, the country still functions effectively, doesn't it.

No, it doesn't.

It's always got it's hands out begging for support/aid or anything it can get.

If any of its people thought they had half a chance, they would be out of there.

Mmm, really? Clearly you have no knowledge of any such facts.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #247 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:08pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

John Smith loves Botswana. Grin

HIV/AIDS, however, is the largest contributor to poverty in Botswana. According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/Aids is “second highest in the world and threatens Botswana’s impressive economic gains”. In 2012, 25% of the adult population was infected with the deadly virus. A health problem of this magnitude is detrimental to a nation’s economic well-being because it reduces human capital.

So, despite this, the country still functions effectively, doesn't it.

It's your typical African shytehole.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #248 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:33pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:28pm:

And you d1ck that was well past/post colonisation & settlement.

Who said I was limiting my comments only to colonial times, Gnads?

I am sure that the Stock Industry still believed it was colonising the Top End well into the 1960s.

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That Aboriginals adapted very well to stockwork is a given .... but they were taught everything they applied by whitey .... there were no cattle & horses on the continent prior to whitey.

The reason that they were a mainstay in the industry in remote areas was because they were already there ... a lot of whiteys didn't want to go out there.

I am unsure why you're suggesting I'm disputing those points, Gnads? Roll Eyes

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Oh & whitey gave em tucker & smokes ... so they worked cheap ......

well before any aboriginal stockmans strike. [/quote]

Again, I am not disputing that. The white land owners exploited the Indigenous stockmen, as the whites who were forced north by the Japanese threat discovered when they arrived in the Northern Territory. Do you deny that? Roll Eyes

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #249 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:35pm

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:36pm:

Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?

As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten. I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered. What are you referring to? Roll Eyes

Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?

Are you denying that it isn't true, FD? Roll Eyes

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #250 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:42pm

Valkie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:35pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 12:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 7:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 2:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:30pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 4:55pm:

Australians have long held the idea that all Indigenous Australians were simple nomadic hunter-gatherers. It enabled them to more easily dispossess them of the land and take it for themselves. Appears that myth has been destroyed at last - Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past.

This is the wrong attitude to take, Brian. Rewriting history or re-interpreting it to make us feel better is not the way forward. We need to acknowledge facts and truths whilst recognising at the same time what we did wrong in the past.

I personally don't see any conflict between believing that the Indigenous Peoples were not a complex civilisation AND believing that we should also treat them with compassion and respect AND that they were no inferior.

You can accuse me of double-think if you wish.

I am not suggesting the rewriting or reinterpretation of anything, Auggie. I am suggesting that the colonial view of all Indigenous Australians as being nomadic hunter-gatherers is incorrect - according to the colonists' own records. Some were nomadic, some weren't. Simples, really. The records are there. They have basically been ignored. Surely we should take note of what was written? Afterall they were the first hand observers, weren't they?

The point is that some Indigenous Australians were more sophisticated than many Australians have been taught.

Still the least developed human societies.

Also the longest lasting culture the world has known, one which invented sophisticated means of living using a stick, Gordon. Plonk a white person down in the middle of Woop-Woop and they'd survive how long? Plonk an Indigenous person down there and they'd still be alive happily when you came to collect them again. White colonists were lucky the Indigenous Australians took pity on them, otherwise they'd have died of thirst or starved to death when they first arrived. Roll Eyes

You really are deluded Brian .... the majority of Aboriginals today would perish just like Whitey ... why because they haven't been raised in Woop- Woop or taught how to survive of the land with bush tucker.

Only those in remote communities can do that .... & mostly they do that with whiteys tools today.

They are a small number of the whole population who identify as Aboriginals.

Did I claim otherwise? Most inidgenous kids get exposed to bush tucker and how to survive in the bush. Most white kids spend all their time in front of a computer screen. Roll Eyes

No they don't ... because more & more Aboriginal kids live in large urban towns & cities.

The best and most exhaulted survival experts was the Bush Tucker man
He was white

Ta Da

Les Hiddins was taught by Indigenous Australians all his survival skills and knowledge, Something he has never denied and he himself admitted to on numerous occasions. "Ta Da", Valkie. He was a fine man until the PTSD started to affect his judgement. I met him IIRC 1989 at ADFA when gave a guest lecture to my Strategic Geography course as part of my Master of Defence studies degree.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #251 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:46pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 2:48pm:

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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......

'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.

Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer. Roll Eyes

Oh, dearie, dearie me. Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads? How unusual for you, hey? Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things? I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit. Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #253 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:04pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:36pm:

Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?

As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten. I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered. What are you referring to? Roll Eyes

Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?

Are you denying that it isn't true, FD? Roll Eyes

It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #254 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:09pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:01pm:

I think you'll find that Les' eyes told the story even when he was doing his bush tucker man thing..... but you must remember that the Regiment is not its officers....

I know why he resigned from the Army. He got fed up with the demands from Russell that he turn up to do various PR things and when he finally did, he wasn't wearing full uniform. They attempted to make life difficult for him so he said, "Get stuffed!" And walked out. He was a difficult man to work with, I was told and that showed when he turned up to give us a lecture. He was followed by a gaggle of media types and he locked them out of the lecture room. He told some interesting stories to us that day.

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