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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #255 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:13pm

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:36pm:

Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?

As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten. I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered. What are you referring to? Roll Eyes

Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?

Are you denying that it isn't true, FD? Roll Eyes

It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?

I consider the planting of crops which were later harvested to be farming, FD. I consider the clearing of land through fire-stick methods to be part of that. Seems to work in many other places around the world - do you dispute the use there? I am "backing away" from nothing. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #256 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:09pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:01pm:

I think you'll find that Les' eyes told the story even when he was doing his bush tucker man thing..... but you must remember that the Regiment is not its officers....

I know why he resigned from the Army. He got fed up with the demands from Russell that he turn up to do various PR things and when he finally did, he wasn't wearing full uniform. They attempted to make life difficult for him so he said, "Get stuffed!" And walked out. He was a difficult man to work with, I was told and that showed when he turned up to give us a lecture. He was followed by a gaggle of media types and he locked them out of the lecture room. He told some interesting stories to us that day.

Uniform and ceremony are optional on ops... boots are personal choice as generally are weapons...

I can understand his ire.... difficult to work with for those who did the things you discuss.... nobody is difficult to work with within The Regiment.... limelight is not their forte... and photo ops for (no comment) are like eating ten lemons....

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #257 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:25pm

Anyway - I'm more interested in discussion of the point I raised - that 'interest groups' of any kind are not demande3d upon to change their chosen way of life (= tolerance) - but certain of such constantly demand that everyone else change to suit them.

In that case - who precisely is the 'aggressor' or 'oppressor' here?

I give you the example of the Robert E Lee statue that some group of 'civic fathers' wanted to change - nobody demanded that they subscribe to the tenets of slavery etc - but they demanded that any differing view be beaten into the ground..... Antifa......

The Gineral never owned a slave..... and had the choice to command the Union armies but refused because he would not wage war on his native state... yet some newfers think that a statue to honour him is oppressive and inciting slavery?

Who then is the aggressor = oppressor? those who simply seek to go about their lives or those who demand that those lives be changed? Huh

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #258 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:13pm

I'd like to continue this discussion a little more:-

With some questions...

a. What spiritual ceremonies do the local Aboriginals perform on Ayers Rock?

b. What spiritual ceremonies do the local Aboriginals perform on Mount Warning?

c. What spiritual ceremonies do the local Aboriginals perform at Jervis Bay?

d. What spiritual significance do local Aboriginals possess towards national icons such as Ayers Rock that the rest of Australia does not possess?

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #259 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:16am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 2:48pm:

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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......

'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.

Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer. Roll Eyes

Oh, dearie, dearie me. Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads? How unusual for you, hey? Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things? I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit. Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist... Roll Eyes

The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #260 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:19am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:36pm:

Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?

As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten. I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered. What are you referring to? Roll Eyes

Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?

Are you denying that it isn't true, FD? Roll Eyes

It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?

I consider the planting of crops which were later harvested to be farming, FD. I consider the clearing of land through fire-stick methods to be part of that. Seems to work in many other places around the world - do you dispute the use there? I am "backing away" from nothing. Roll Eyes

You also stated "yams" were native to Australia and they're not.

Aboriginals ate various types of native tubers that they ended up calling YAMS very much later down the track after colonisation.

Those tubers are not in fact "yams".

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #261 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:39am

"Bought" is the past tense of buy. I hear it used for "brought" every day, but I rarely see it in the written form. I know we have difficulty with Rs on the end of words, but usually we can handle it within the word, like "from."

Dropping the R is a French pronunciation, brought over to England with the Normans. It did not catch on at the extremity of their influence: Cornwall, North England, Scotland, and Eire.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #262 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 10:12am https://www.thekitchn.com/whats-the-difference-between-yams-and-sweet-potatoes-w...
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #263 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 12:31pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:39am:

"Bought" is the past tense of buy. I hear it used for "brought" every day, but I rarely see it in the written form. I know we have difficulty with Rs on the end of words, but usually we can handle it within the word, like "from."

Dropping the R is a French pronunciation, brought over to England with the Normans. It did not catch on at the extremity of their influence: Cornwall, North England, Scotland, and Eire.

Just a typo thank you

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29281 Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #264 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 12:33pm Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 10:12am: https://www.thekitchn.com/whats-the-difference-between-yams-and-sweet-potatoes-w... Either way Grendel ... the tubers Aboriginals ate or eat are neither yam or sweet potato.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #265 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 2:09pm Oh I'm with you not MR Sweet Potato Head Bwian. I'm still trying to picture how they became agriculturalists and plowed fields and planted seed.... and nurtured them and harvested them... perhaps on the backs of Wombats?
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #267 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 5:05pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:13pm:

I'd like to continue this discussion a little more:-

With some questions...

a. What spiritual ceremonies do the local Aboriginals perform on Ayers Rock?

b. What spiritual ceremonies do the local Aboriginals perform on Mount Warning?

c. What spiritual ceremonies do the local Aboriginals perform at Jervis Bay?

d. What spiritual significance do local Aboriginals possess towards national icons such as Ayers Rock that the rest of Australia does not possess?

An aboriginal friend of mine once told me that a sacred site infant sacred if it's not secret.

Well that stuffs them donnit?

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #268 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 5:14pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 2:09pm:

Oh I'm with you not MR Sweet Potato Head Bwian.
I'm still trying to picture how they became agriculturalists and plowed fields and planted seed.... and nurtured them and harvested them... perhaps on the backs of Wombats? Roll Eyes

If any of this fabricated BULL shite were even remotely true.

We would see continuation or at least some evidence of these practices today.

There are tribes in more remote parts of Australia where there woukd be evidence.
But the fabricators of this BULL shite don't have even one single solitary piece of evidence.
How many times must these liars state crap before someone calls them to task?
But then again, when it's done they all squeal "racist" as if that is proof of their lies.

The Australian aboriginal are pre-stone age
There is no conclusive evidence that they ever truly worked stone or lashed worked stone to a handle.
Their spears were sharpened by burning the end and rubbing them on rocks to make them sharp.
Many/ most didn't even know how to make fire from scratch, but carried ashes from site to site wrapped up in paperbark.

This is not the level of civilization that has agriculture or builds houses.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #269 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:36pm:

Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?

As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten. I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered. What are you referring to? Roll Eyes

Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?

Are you denying that it isn't true, FD? Roll Eyes

It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?

I consider the planting of crops which were later harvested to be farming, FD. I consider the clearing of land through fire-stick methods to be part of that. Seems to work in many other places around the world - do you dispute the use there? I am "backing away" from nothing. Roll Eyes

So the Aborigines were farmers because they were using fire in preparation for Europeans to come and plant crops?

Do you have any clue at all what you are talking about?

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