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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #270 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:56pm Slash and burn, still practiced today.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #271 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:03pm .
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #272 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:04pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:56pm: Slash and burn, still practiced today. Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38526 Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #273 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:06pm freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:04pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:56pm: Slash and burn, still practiced today. Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming". Not Auggie.
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #274 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:07pm freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:04pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:56pm: Slash and burn, still practiced today. Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming". Not 'slash and burn' hydroculture??
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #275 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:08pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:04pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:56pm:

Slash and burn, still practiced today.

Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".

Not Auggie.

You had to tell him, didn't you?

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #276 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:09pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:04pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:56pm:

Slash and burn, still practiced today.

Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".

Not Auggie.

You had to tell him, didn't you?

we know the truth dont we drah? Wink

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #277 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:09pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:04pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:56pm:

Slash and burn, still practiced today.

Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".

Not Auggie.

You had to tell him, didn't you?

Yes, as I'd hate to see you blamed for something you had nothing to do with.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #278 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:11pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:04pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:56pm:

Slash and burn, still practiced today.

Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".

Not Auggie.

You had to tell him, didn't you?

we know the truth dont we drah? Wink

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #279 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:11pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:06pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:04pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:56pm:

Slash and burn, still practiced today.

Normally they actually plant something afterwards Auggie. That's what "slash and burn" becomes "slash and burn farming".

Not Auggie.

You had to tell him, didn't you?

we know the truth dont we drah? Wink

Gawd. Unbelievable.

Someone is laughing their head off.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #280 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:12pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:16am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 2:48pm:

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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......

'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.

Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer. Roll Eyes

Oh, dearie, dearie me. Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads? How unusual for you, hey? Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things? I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit. Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist... Roll Eyes

The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.

Where did I use the word "advising", Gnads?

I note you've again failed to answer my point, you have not supplied a quote of my words which back your claims. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #281 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:16am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 2:48pm:

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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......

'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.

Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer. Roll Eyes

Oh, dearie, dearie me. Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads? How unusual for you, hey? Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things? I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit. Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist... Roll Eyes

The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.

Where did I use the word "advising", Gnads?

I note you've again failed to answer my point, you have not supplied a quote of my words which back your claims. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk.

You went further than advise.

Brian- Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #282 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:27pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:19am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:36pm:

Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?

As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten. I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered. What are you referring to? Roll Eyes

Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?

Are you denying that it isn't true, FD? Roll Eyes

It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?

I consider the planting of crops which were later harvested to be farming, FD. I consider the clearing of land through fire-stick methods to be part of that. Seems to work in many other places around the world - do you dispute the use there? I am "backing away" from nothing. Roll Eyes

You also stated "yams" were native to Australia and they're not.

Aboriginals ate various types of native tubers that they ended up calling YAMS very much later down the track after colonisation.

Those tubers are not in fact "yams".

As it was a colonist's description. "Yams" is how Sweet Potatoes were often described. Sweet Potatoes originated some 800,000 years ago, well before the advent of modern man. The original hypothesis that it was the Polynesians who carried it from the Americas are now being questioned and it is believed that the Sweet Potato spread naturally throughout the Pacific and hence into Australia.[1]

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #283 - Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:30pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:16am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 2:48pm:

Quote:

They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......

'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.

Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer. Roll Eyes

Oh, dearie, dearie me. Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads? How unusual for you, hey? Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things? I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit. Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist... Roll Eyes

The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.

Where did I use the word "advising", Gnads?

I note you've again failed to answer my point, you have not supplied a quote of my words which back your claims. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk.

You went further than advise.

Brian- Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry

You have yet to prove otherwise, Hammer. Without a ready and willing workforce to exploit, the white controlled stock industry would not have flourished. QED. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes