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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #300 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:16pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:09pm:

I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.

For me it's not about respect. It's about the fabrication of history.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #301 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:32pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:16pm:

For me it's not about respect. It's about the fabrication of history.

No one's fabricating history. The history is there for people to see. I agree that a minority a pushing a revisionist perspective of the Indigenous Peoples, but they are a minority.

What you shouldn't do, Hammer: is put the Indigenous Peoples beneath dignity. They deserve our respect, recognition, irrespective of any thing the minority propagate.

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Reply #302 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:50pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:09pm:

I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.

Respect is earned.

Not expected just because you are coloured or even white.

When I see the majority of these primitive, lazy no hopers do something worthwhile.
And stop living off me and getting more than other Australians because they are black.
Then I will respect them.

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Reply #303 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:52pm

Valkie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:09pm:

I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.

Respect is earned.

Not expected just because you are coloured or even white.

When I see the majority of these primitive, lazy no hopers do something worthwhile.
And stop living off me and getting more than other Australians because they are black.
Then I will respect them.

And you're the problem with this world, Valkie. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #304 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:59pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:52pm:

Valkie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:50pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:09pm:

I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.

Respect is earned.

Not expected just because you are coloured or even white.

When I see the majority of these primitive, lazy no hopers do something worthwhile.
And stop living off me and getting more than other Australians because they are black.
Then I will respect them.

And you're the problem with this world, Valkie. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Really?

I should apologise for working, contributing and paying tax.
Perhaps I should apologise for being a volunteer and giving of myself.
Perhaps the donations to charity and freely given help to people is wrong.

For these things I don't demand or expect respect.
I simply expect others to do Their bit and be a contributing member of society.

Not a parasite, complaining about how badly done by I am and how my country was advanced beyond my ability to cope.

Open your eyes, my friend.
PARASITES are worthless.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #305 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:00pm Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?
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Reply #306 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:08pm

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:00pm:

Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid?

he undermines the aboriginal...

in fact they did work out burning of vegetation did regenerate a lot of the food they lived on.....so well done to them....

did it also barbeque a kangaroo or snake probably.. Roll Eyes

we should give them credit where its due..

look what happens to whitey when he is lost without food they end up eating each other.... Sad

an aboriginal can always find food and water.. Roll Eyes

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #307 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:21pm Good grief.... never heard of Cannibal tribes eh
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #308 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:23pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 4:07pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Still unable to use the quote function, Geoff. Get back to me once you've worked it out. Shotdown again eh bwian. Too bad for you. Typical of you to runaway when beaten...
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #309 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:29pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:09pm:

I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.

Depends what you mean by inferior.
A VW Bug is a car but could be considered inferior to a Bugatti Veyron.
A Spear is a handy weapon, bow and arrow handier, Rifle even handier, some would rightly consider a Spear inferior to a Rifle.
Plowing a field with a stick and plowing a field with a plowshare pulled by a horse, which one do you consider inferior?
The list goes on and on... of course things are superior and inferior... only fools think they are not. Roll Eyes

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #310 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:31pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:09pm:

I agree that the Indigenous Peoples of Australia were a non-complex civilisation; but this doesn't mean that they were inferior.

They had a unique civilisation; they deserve respect, recognition and compassion from people.

End of story.

Depends what you mean by inferior.
A VW Bug is a car but could be considered inferior to a Bugatti Veyron.
A Spear is a handy weapon, bow and arrow handier, Rifle even handier, some would rightly consider a Spear inferior to a Rifle.
Plowing a field with a stick and plowing a field with a plowshare pulled by a horse, which one do you consider inferior?
The list goes on and on... of course things are superior and inferior... only fools think they are not. Roll Eyes

I'm talking about in terms of human decency and dignity. We made a mistake by thinking that they were 'inherently' inferior.

This is what I'm talking about

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Reply #311 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:16am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 2:48pm:

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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......

'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.

Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer. Roll Eyes

Oh, dearie, dearie me. Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads? How unusual for you, hey? Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things? I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit. Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist... Roll Eyes

The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.

Where did I use the word "advising", Gnads?

I note you've again failed to answer my point, you have not supplied a quote of my words which back your claims. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk.

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Brian said: They showed them where water was, what bush foods to eat, how to marshal their stock, how to look after themselves.

Hiding behind pedantics doesn't cut it ... the precise wording is irrelevant.

Yo jest keepa marshalin yo bs Massa Bwain yo ol marshala.

Sum dey yo gonna mek a reel gud bs marshala.

Yo cud effen divisafy en lernt how ta marshal dem dere stocks. Grin

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #312 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:30pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:16am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 2:48pm:

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They were employed by whitemen until they "reliably" went on walkabout........"Instrumental" my arse.......they made a fvvken stick, that's all they did.....oh, and made some bloody dots and called it art......

'Funny' watching these idiots trying to put schit on a people and culture which had survived for thousands of years before whitey farked it all for them.

Complete BS Aussie as usual ... what's being put shyte on is fabricated nonsense being espoused by the likes of Brian who believe that Aboriginals were farmers, graziers, had established agriculture & urban infrastructure & Universities etc etc.

All pre-colonisation ..... then Brian wants to change tacks & claim Aboriginals knew all about cattle, horses & sheep husbandry to advise early settlers .... i.e . advising them "how to marshal their stock".

Not that anyone marshals stock ... they muster & round up ... but they don't marshall.

Best you stick to the law, cab driving & Clivey baby Palmer. Roll Eyes

Oh, dearie, dearie me. Erecting a strawman argument, Gnads? How unusual for you, hey? Care to quote back to us where I claimed those things? I suspect you won't because you won't find any such bullshit. Tsk, tsk, how typical for a racist... Roll Eyes

The whole OP was about Aboriginals pre-colonisation & shortly thereafter.

And you bought in a bs statement about aboriginals & advising settlers on livestock issues. "How to marshal their stock".

This had absolutely no relevance to the discussion about the claims being made by Bruce Pascoe & Trevor Abrahams.

You can't even walk a straight line sober.

Where did I use the word "advising", Gnads?

I note you've again failed to answer my point, you have not supplied a quote of my words which back your claims. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk.

You went further than advise.

Brian- Without Black stockmen there wouldn't be a white stock industry

You have yet to prove otherwise, Hammer. Without a ready and willing workforce to exploit, the white controlled stock industry would not have flourished. QED. Roll Eyes

I live in Western Sydney about 40kms from the CBD and farmers still run cattle near my home. Sydney aborigines were nearly wiped out yet there's been a cattle industry on the outskirts of Sydney for over 200 years. Did they get help Brian? Maybe they got help out in the arid areas but not all Australian grazing land is like that. Not all grazing land needed aborigines to show them water because their cattle property fronted a river a creek. Your comments was ill informed and general.

Ask the Vesteys, Hammer. Oh, thats right, they abandoned their investment in Wave Hill Station after the locals went on strike rather than continue as their slaves. How ungrateful, hey? Roll Eyes

They were well fed ... better than eating lizards ,possums, insects & Roo.

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Reply #313 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:43pm

freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:34pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 12:36pm:

Brian do you have any idea what he means by houses and sheds?

Are you willing to defend his use of the term farming? Or is making sense not really necessary when you are rewriting history?

Did you put any thought at all into this rubbish before jumping on the bandwagon?

As far as I am aware, FD, no history has been rewritten. I am confining my comments to the article I linked to, which spoke about what the original Colonists discovered. What are you referring to? Roll Eyes

Comments in the article about sheds and houses, and that burning grass to attract wild kangaroos is a type of farming.

Are you just defending this because you want it to be true?

Are you denying that it isn't true, FD? Roll Eyes

It is what the article says. Sounds like BS to me. Even you are backing away from supporting it.

Do you consider setting fire to the grass to help hunt roos to be a type of farming?

I consider the planting of crops which were later harvested to be farming, FD. I consider the clearing of land through fire-stick methods to be part of that. Seems to work in many other places around the world - do you dispute the use there? I am "backing away" from nothing. Roll Eyes

So the Aborigines were farmers because they were using fire in preparation for Europeans to come and plant crops?

Do you have any clue at all what you are talking about?

Do you? Really? Or are you just bullshiting for the usual sake, FD? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Do you agree with the author that burning the grass to attract roos to hunt is a type of farming? Why do you keep running away from simple questions like this? I have been asking you for several pages now.

wasted questions FD ... he doesn't even know what a yam is.

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #314 - Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:43pm freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:00pm: Brian are you afraid to even offer an opinion on the author's claim that burning grass to hunt roos is a type of farming? Why would you express support for something so stupid? Why is it stupid FD?
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