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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #375 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 8:12am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 9:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:46pm:

You keep shifting the OP & the notions proposed by the likes of Pascoe & Abrahams further & further toward present day.

Being a twisty shyte seems to be your forte.

I have "shifted" nothing, Gnads. Your effort at bullying won't work. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

So now you play the bullying card?

Pathetic.

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Reply #377 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 8:15am

Agnes wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

In yellowstone national park they used ecological methods of controling the environment by wolves- it s a fascinationg story and has been practiced by the Indian in the US for centuries- a triumph

So Indians caught wolves & relocated them to areas where there was no apex predators to control herd animal numbers?

Grin

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #378 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 8:20am

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 9:46pm:

From different spectrums, aquaculture, plaiting mussels onto ropes, foraging, picking mussels off rocks.

Beekeeping, removing honey from hives, concentrating hives, constructing hives. Foraging, finding a hive and knocking it off the branch or getting it from an existing hollow found naturally.

Animal husbandry or farming, looking after and caring for animals, breeding to improve the desirable characterisitics. Hunting, not looking after or caring for them, no input into breeding.

It probably all hinges on degrees of human input, the more input, the more like farming and controlling the environment and protecting and improving your food resources.

Lesser input, less like farming, not as controlling the environment, less or no protection or improving your food resources.

Draw the lines where you like. This whole argument is stupid.

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Aboriginal society and methods are not as advanced as some are trying to project, but nor are aboriginals stupid or primitive. They are a product of the environment.

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And forget this noble savage bit that Brian likes to paint as an apologism for his self loathing luvvie guilt tripping for sharing white conquerer guilt

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2 good summations .... especially the latter.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #379 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 8:21am

Gnads wrote on Jul 20^th, 2018 at 8:15am:

Agnes wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

In yellowstone national park they used ecological methods of controling the environment by wolves- it s a fascinationg story and has been practiced by the Indian in the US for centuries- a triumph

So Indians caught wolves & relocated them to areas where there was no apex predators to control herd animal numbers?

Grin

give it up Gnads- you are gettig even sadder if thats at all possible and Im only on my 1st cuppa- way early for this level of "debate" Roll Eyes

get out your training wheels mate

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Reply #381 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 8:33am

That's a poor response & no excuse.

The re-introduction of wolves to Yellowstone Park was done after the re-introduction of large herd animals i.e. buffalo/bison & the return in numbers of Elk.

They were reintroduced to control numbers & add a balance after being persecuted & shot out .... just like the buffalo had been.

It was common sense to reintroduce them .... even though ranchers outside the park are not happy about it.

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Reply #382 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 8:41am

Gnads wrote on Jul 20^th, 2018 at 8:33am:

That's a poor response & no excuse.

The re-introduction of wolves to Yellowstone Park was done after the re-introduction of large herd animals i.e. buffalo/bison & the return in numbers of Elk.

They were reintroduced to control numbers & add a balance after being persecuted & shot out .... just like the buffalo had been.

It was common sense to reintroduce them .... even though ranchers outside the park are not happy about it.

dont waste my time- read a book mate

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29271 Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #383 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 8:50am That's a poor response & no excuse. You're wasting mine.
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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #384 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 9:30am

Setanta wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 11:30pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 11:27pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 11:23pm:

Good to see the thread back on track Grendel. Roll Eyes

Cant let bwian get away with his dishonest posts SET.
Maybe you should delete them.
But hey apparently he is allowed to post crap about people here with impunity.
Or are you suggesting I'm not simply replying to his posts?

I would suggest you are not "simply" replying to his posts. He annoys the shyte out of me but I can tell when it's just not worth it and as for ad hom, you are both as bad as each other.

Ah but I am and now I'm wasting my time replying to your off topic shyte. Roll Eyes

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #385 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 9:37am

Hunting is not Farming.
Trapping is not Farming.
Luring is not Farming.
Burning is not Farming.

Farming involves a.... wait for it FARM.

A FARM is ....

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farm (färm)
n.
1. A tract of land cultivated for the purpose of agricultural production.
2.
a. A tract of land devoted to the raising and breeding of domestic animals.
b. An area of water devoted to the raising, breeding, or production of a specific aquatic animal: a trout farm; an oyster farm.
3.
a. A facility for the generation of energy by converting it from a particular source, usually by means of multiple electric generators: a wind farm.
b. A place where a group of similar devices or storage containers are set up: a tank farm; a server farm.

v. farmed, farm·ing, farms
v.tr.
1. To cultivate or produce a crop on (land).
2. To cultivate, breed, or raise (plants or animals).

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #386 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 9:45am

From the OP...
(talk about being on topic) Roll Eyes

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A RADICALLY different version of Australia’s history to what we are taught at school has been put forward by a historian — who believes it changes the entire concept of Australia as a country and who we really are.

We are taught Australia’s first people were simplistic hunter-gatherers who foraged for plants and randomly hunted kangaroos.

We are taught when Europeans landed, the indigenous people who first roamed the land were a disparate group of nomadic tribes, who never built permanent homes to shelter themselves.

So history... he is talking about times prior to European Colonisation and observations at the times of the first fleet.

bwian disingenously talks about Wave Hill 1966, about Aboriginal Stockman that could only have come about from post colonisation and with the introduction of horses and cattle and European style farming and agriculture, where skills were taught to the Aborigines, not the other way around. Roll Eyes

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Reply #387 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 11:06am

i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #388 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 11:35am

Setanta wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 9:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

One way or another, a sheep farmer corners his stock to feed them etc, and then herd them to shearing or slaughter.

The Abos used fire to achieve the same outcome.

We are talking about 'farming,' not 'hunting.' I say the Abos 'farmed' just like a mutton farmer.....'farmed,' using different methods.

Farked if I can see the value in this esoteric crap, so I am out of it.

No, they burnt the vegetation to encourage new growth that would bring animals to graze on it. They did not her and even today neither thay or we can herd kangaroo

as I see it the indigenous way required forethought and planning- we are talking about agriculture NOT farming (( FD tried to manipuate the story and shift goal posts)) - you anf he changed the story along with FD who tried to make it about farming- abs had a different ( far more suoerior way)) way but even academics conceded it was indeed agricultural practices now either you are lying- or they are all lying- you cant have it both ways- my money is on the side of science and researchers- they also farmed fish and made flour

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #389 - Jul 20^th, 2018 at 12:29pm

Agnes wrote on Jul 20^th, 2018 at 11:06am:

i'm talking methods if agriculture- not farming-but none of you seem to comprehend that- indigenous agriculture was superior to "farming" in many ways- i am wasting my time talking to half wits-dwmt- teaching aborigines at wave hill- wtf- they are masters of the envirinment- insulting and absurd- bugger off

Wow - how was Indigenous agriculture superior to 'farming'?

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