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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #435 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:21pm This is true. And I herd fish into my esky every time I go fishing. Then I plant the frames in the garden to grow more.
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Reply #436 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:22pm

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What are you trying to say? Many people have learned to do it over our human story, it does not make it farming though.

Why not? If you can't tell me......give me the right term in today's terminology.

What is it....herding, farming, agriculture seem to be the only choices according to this Thread.

Looks like deliberate herding to me. What's the problem with calling it for what it is?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #437 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:23pm It's called hunting Aussie.
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Reply #439 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:26pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:22pm:

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What are you trying to say? Many people have learned to do it over our human story, it does not make it farming though.

Why not? If you can't tell me......give me the right term in today's terminology.

What is it....herding, farming, agriculture seem to be the only choices according to this Thread.

Looks like deliberate herding to me. What's the problem with calling it for what it is?

It's luring animals to ambush them, a hunter/gatherer tactic, is not farming. What the hell is wrong with them being hunter/gatherer? Are you saying because people have been doing this since time immemorial that there never were hunter/gatherer societies? They were all farmers? What does hunter/gatherer mean to you? How would you describe it?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #440 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:27pm Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?
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Reply #441 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:34pm

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:27pm:

Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?

Seems so, despite what you compulsive deprecators want to argue. They learned how to make fire, and then learned how to use that fire to herd their prey to the abattoirs.

And they invented a stick, and survived for thousands of years....likely longer than your ancestral culture did.

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Reply #442 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:36pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:34pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:27pm:

Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?

Seems so, despite what you compulsive deprecators want to argue. They learned how to make fire, and then learned how to use that fire to herd their prey to the abattoirs.

And they invented a stick, and survived for thousands of years....likely longer than your ancestral culture did.

I'm a farmer then. I've herded prawns at the beach with a net. Although I would consider that hunting/gathering. I have no idea why them being hunter/gatherers is supposed to be offensive.

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Reply #443 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:42pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:34pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:27pm:

Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?

Seems so, despite what you compulsive deprecators want to argue. They learned how to make fire, and then learned how to use that fire to herd their prey to the abattoirs.

And they invented a stick, and survived for thousands of years....likely longer than your ancestral culture did.

I'm a farmer then. I've herded prawns at the beach with a net. Although I would consider that hunting/gathering. I have no idea why them being hunter/gatherers is supposed to be offensive.

No you have not. You merely bunged a net in where you knew they would possibly be.

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Reply #444 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:43pm

why are you all hung up on the word farm? - the concept of farming is retrograde- farming is a dying "art" will soon to be gone forevever once we have cultured meat hits our shelves-

will you shoot your meat with a 222/250 to make it taste more authentic- a touch of singed gunpowder for you dining delight-

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Reply #445 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:48pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:34pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:27pm:

Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?

Seems so, despite what you compulsive deprecators want to argue. They learned how to make fire, and then learned how to use that fire to herd their prey to the abattoirs.

And they invented a stick, and survived for thousands of years....likely longer than your ancestral culture did.

Can you describe these abattoirs?

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why are you all hung up on the word farm? - the concept of farming is retrograde- farming is a dying "art" will soon to be gone forevever once we have cultured meat hits our shelves-

Apparently some idiot thought farming was so important they wrote an entire book on how good the aborigines were at it.

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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 38521 Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #446 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:51pm Quote: Can you describe these abattoirs? Yeas I can. A bunch of Abos waiting for their prey where they know they will arrive because they lit a fire to herd their prey to them.....and then...with spears and voila......death to the prey. Abattoir.
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Reply #447 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:55pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:34pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:27pm:

Did the Australian Aborigines herd animals Aussie?

Seems so, despite what you compulsive deprecators want to argue. They learned how to make fire, and then learned how to use that fire to herd their prey to the abattoirs.

And they invented a stick, and survived for thousands of years....likely longer than your ancestral culture did.

I'm a farmer then. I've herded prawns at the beach with a net. Although I would consider that hunting/gathering. I have no idea why them being hunter/gatherers is supposed to be offensive.

No you have not. You merely bunged a net in where you knew they would possibly be.

No, I herded them. One person on the beach, me out in the water and walking along the shoreline driving the prawns before the net until the person on shore stopped and I kept walking until I was also on shore, we used the net to herd them.

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Re: Correct version of Australia’s history
Reply #448 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:58pm

Agnes wrote on Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:43pm:

why are you all hung up on the word farm? - the concept of farming is retrograde- farming is a dying "art" will soon to be gone forevever once we have cultured meat hits our shelves-

will you shoot your meat with a 222/250 to make it taste more authentic- a touch of singed gunpowder for you dining delight-

Because that is what some people would rather call it than hunting/gathering. We have definitions of words/terms for a reason.

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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 38521 Gender:	Re: Correct version of Australia’s history Reply #449 - Jul 21^st, 2018 at 6:59pm The distinction is....you were guessing where the prawns were. You were simply having a 'Hail Mary' and hope. These blokes knew where their prey was and deliberately herded them, with fire they created, to the abattoir. Why not just concede that is exactly what they did?
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