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Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person
Reply #15 - Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 9:19am

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2018 at 1:05am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 1:38pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 12:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 11:29am:

issue, and Yadda for that matter too...

If we were to meet in real life and you actually got to know me, I'm fairly confident you would reject as utterly absurd the idea that I am a "cretinous lowbrow" who "doesn't think for themselves", or in any way a "bad person".

Just sayyin

What if they asked you about mindless collectives of treacherous Jews?

Depends if your talking about what I've actually said on the topic, or the words you have shoved into my mouth.

Still, I find it hard to believe that someone would judge me as a "cretinous lowbrow" based on my musings of what 7th century arab culture was like. Of course, if you could somehow extrapolate those musings into some sinister meme about me being a rabid nazi anti-semite who thinks its fine to slaughter jews for being jews - then thats obviously a very different matter.

Plenty of Nazis were also very personable people Gandalf. They kissed their wife and children goodbye in the morning then went off to herd the Jews into the gas chambers. They would have no doubt also taken offence at the suggestion there was something wrong with them.

I'm struggling to see a point here FD - are you saying I'm as bad (or good) as a nazi?

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Reply #16 - Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 7:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 9:19am:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2018 at 1:05am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 1:38pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 12:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 11:29am:

issue, and Yadda for that matter too...

If we were to meet in real life and you actually got to know me, I'm fairly confident you would reject as utterly absurd the idea that I am a "cretinous lowbrow" who "doesn't think for themselves", or in any way a "bad person".

Just sayyin

What if they asked you about mindless collectives of treacherous Jews?

Depends if your talking about what I've actually said on the topic, or the words you have shoved into my mouth.

Still, I find it hard to believe that someone would judge me as a "cretinous lowbrow" based on my musings of what 7th century arab culture was like. Of course, if you could somehow extrapolate those musings into some sinister meme about me being a rabid nazi anti-semite who thinks its fine to slaughter jews for being jews - then thats obviously a very different matter.

Plenty of Nazis were also very personable people Gandalf. They kissed their wife and children goodbye in the morning then went off to herd the Jews into the gas chambers. They would have no doubt also taken offence at the suggestion there was something wrong with them.

I'm struggling to see a point here FD - are you saying I'm as bad (or good) as a nazi?

You brought up Nazis in an effort to distinguish yourself from them. I was looking for the distinction. I don't think "academising" your support for genocide on the grounds that the Jews literally were a mindless collective sets you apart.

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Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person
Reply #17 - Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 8:24pm

freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 7:36pm:

You brought up Nazis in an effort to distinguish yourself from them.

No, I bought it up because its you who constantly equates me with nazis.

And given this is your clear position, I was wondering out loud how someone could come to that conclusion - based on what I suggested about 7th century arab society.

But what about "cretinous lowbrow" and someone who is incapable of being a "good person" - do you agree with Yadda and Issue that moslems must necessarily be these types of people?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #18 - Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 8:28pm

freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 7:36pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 9:19am:

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2018 at 1:05am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 1:38pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 12:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 11:29am:

issue, and Yadda for that matter too...

If we were to meet in real life and you actually got to know me, I'm fairly confident you would reject as utterly absurd the idea that I am a "cretinous lowbrow" who "doesn't think for themselves", or in any way a "bad person".

Just sayyin

What if they asked you about mindless collectives of treacherous Jews?

Depends if your talking about what I've actually said on the topic, or the words you have shoved into my mouth.

Still, I find it hard to believe that someone would judge me as a "cretinous lowbrow" based on my musings of what 7th century arab culture was like. Of course, if you could somehow extrapolate those musings into some sinister meme about me being a rabid nazi anti-semite who thinks its fine to slaughter jews for being jews - then thats obviously a very different matter.

Plenty of Nazis were also very personable people Gandalf. They kissed their wife and children goodbye in the morning then went off to herd the Jews into the gas chambers. They would have no doubt also taken offence at the suggestion there was something wrong with them.

I'm struggling to see a point here FD - are you saying I'm as bad (or good) as a nazi?

You brought up Nazis in an effort to distinguish yourself from them. I was looking for the distinction. I don't think "academising" your support for genocide on the grounds that the Jews literally were a mindless collective sets you apart.

Stop copying my words and arguments.

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Reply #19 - Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 10:23pm

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No, I bought it up because its you who constantly equates me with nazis.

Can you quote me?

Also, can you explain your logic here? Why would you compare yourself to Nazis because I do?

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But what about "cretinous lowbrow" and someone who is incapable of being a "good person" - do you agree with Yadda and Issue that moslems must necessarily be these types of people?

I think you have it in you to be a good person Gandalf. I see your struggle.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Reply #20 - Sep 4^th, 2018 at 9:42am freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 10:23pm: I think you have it in you to be a good person Gandalf. I see your struggle. Would you go so far as to object to people like Yadda insisting that muslims can never be 'good people'?
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Reply #21 - Sep 4^th, 2018 at 11:52am

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Would you go so far as to object to people like Yadda insisting that muslims can never be 'good people'?

If you had not guessed, every one of these expressions below, have been 'turned on their head'.

THESE STATEMENTS ARE BASED ON KORANIC QUOTES,
THE ORIGINALS TARGET NON-MOSLEMS....

“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

"Hate speech? Sounds like it to us, too... but, oddly enough, Muslims would have to disagree.

(Some people don't seem to understand the point that we're making here. Try clicking on the link!)"

[originally found at this site https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ ]

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These declarations encouraging HATRED and VIOLENCE against those who are not moslems,
all have their 'genesis' within mainstream ISLAMIC scripture.

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QUESTION;
Confronted with truths like these;

Did gandalf confess, and repent [regarding ISLAMIC inspired hatred of those who are not moslems] ?

Or does gandalf simply continue to deny, and to obfuscate, rejecting any responsibility for the HATRED and VIOLENCE of non-moslems, which his 'faith' promotes ?

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"ISLAM ES PAZ"

IMAGE.....

Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace.

/sarc off

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Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person
Reply #22 - Sep 4^th, 2018 at 11:54am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 4^th, 2018 at 9:42am:

freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 10:23pm:

I think you have it in you to be a good person Gandalf. I see your struggle.

Would you go so far as to object to people like Yadda insisting that muslims can never be 'good people'?

Imagine FD answering that.

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Reply #23 - Sep 4^th, 2018 at 6:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 4^th, 2018 at 9:42am:

freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 10:23pm:

I think you have it in you to be a good person Gandalf. I see your struggle.

Would you go so far as to object to people like Yadda insisting that muslims can never be 'good people'?

I read an implicit caveat into that statement.

Never say never Gandalf.

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Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person
Reply #24 - Sep 5^th, 2018 at 1:45pm

The qur'an is imbued with verses of evil intentions.

The book is venerated as being the infallible words of a god called allah.(a reinvented pagan moon god)

This book motivates islamic terrorism.

Support for this book, by definition means, support for the terrorism engendered.

There will never be an end to unconscionable islamic torture and killings, until muslims address the evil intent in the qur'an.

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Reply #25 - Sep 5^th, 2018 at 9:57pm

moses wrote on Sep 5^th, 2018 at 1:45pm:

The qur'an is imbued with verses of evil intentions.

The book is venerated as being the infallible words of a god called allah.(a reinvented pagan moon god)

This book motivates islamic terrorism.

Support for this book, by definition means, support for the terrorism engendered.

There will never be an end to unconscionable islamic torture and killings, until muslims address the evil intent in the qur'an.

Exactly so, moses.

Don't hold your breath though !!

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This Adelaide, 'Aussie' moslem, Zainab Abdirahman-Khalif, 23,
....is simply the latest, latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac, inspired by her 'faith'

IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/australia-muslima-accused-of-being-member-of-...

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THE TRUTH [unpalatable to some]

If you are a moslem, if you self-identify as moslem,

you are a person who is aware, of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are, and what those tenets require of you.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534424949/7#7

You are a person who is aware of your personal obligation, to the very real strictures of Allah's religion.

Google;
to love and hate for the sake of allah

Google;
Al Wala' Wal Bara'

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Al-wala' wa-l-bara' - is an Arabic term in Islam, meaning "loyalty and disavowal".

It signifies loving and hating for the sake of Allah.

[1] Al-wala' wa-l-bara' is referred to as holding fast to all that is pleasing to Allah, and withdrawing from and opposing all that is displeasing to Allah; namely the Kuffar (non-muslims) who are to be hated.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Wala%27_Wal_Bara%27

moses said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1515416152/25#25

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person
Reply #27 - Sep 6^th, 2018 at 9:19am

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2018 at 10:25pm:

They don't like you people very much, G.

Please don't take it personally.

Islam is not a race, you know.

That is correct K, ISLAM is not a race.

ISLAM is an ideology and a philosophy, which makes lawful, and encourages, hatred and violence and murder, 1/ against those who publicly reject ISLAM, and 2/ especially against those persons who publicly express opposition to ISLAM and ISLAM's laws.

It is not 'racist' to express opposition to the influence and spread of ISLAM and ISLAM's laws.

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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