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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #135 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:49am

Grendel wrote on Aug 26^th, 2018 at 11:01am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 25^th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2018 at 1:00pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 25^th, 2018 at 6:24am:

Grendel wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 8:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 5:55pm:

Yes, our culture is constantly evolving. It used to be a pie and a coke. Now it's a pie and an iced coffee.

Sorry that is not culture... that is diet.

Yeah you are right - however if we are talking about white culture it is food really isnt it.

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No.
Are you still having problems working out what your definition of culture is.
BTW culture is not coloured. Roll Eyes

So? I was originally replying to someone that was talking about white culture. Of course i was answering from an aussie perspective. Go back and read the thread.

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I'm not the one who doesn't know what culture is.
Unlike you I know about the topic before I enter into it.
You cant tell people they are wrong if YOU are clueless about the subject. Roll Eyes

Thats just nasty. You seem to just be trolling.

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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #136 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:52am

Frank wrote on Aug 26^th, 2018 at 11:50am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 26^th, 2018 at 6:21am:

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 25^th, 2018 at 2:37pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2018 at 8:50am:

spot:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 8:05am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 7:57am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 7:52am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 6:14am:

What is a white culture? Only one i can think of is the culture of getting pissed. British irish aussie. We dont actually have any culture except for getting on the piss.

Spot

What about the abolition of slavery, liberal democracy, Christianity etc?

Thats more culture than technology. Xtianity is religion. So is hinduism and budism. I dunno - kinda culture but i think of culture as customs and social behaviours. They can be caused by religion.

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It's all culture. What you identify as culture is what you get when you subtract everything that has meaning or purpose from culture, leaving only the trivial. I would call that cultural baggage. It's like saying that Australian culture is meat pies.

Religion, human rights, democracy etc are deeply ingrained in our society. Societies that lack these things cannot take them up easily, even if they want them. We could forget meat pies overnight and our culture would not change. But you would have to kill a lot of people to get rid of religion, human rights, democracy.

Yeah okay that makes sense but this isnt really an xtian nation anymore is it. Nor are the other "white" countries. Rweligion doesnt play as big a part as in the 70s.

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According to Harari, other aspects of our culture such as human rights have their roots in religion. As does much of our law.

I dont know if human rights is a culture. Maybe it is but other cultures have them too - not all thats for sure. Im not really a history buff so dont know where human rights came from but our laws didnt come from religion the way a lot of religious people think. Not even in america. Religion was considered but wasnt the influence. If i have time i might read some harari.

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You don't know history but you know that our laws don't come from religion the way a lot of religious people think - but how do you know the way a lot of religious people think? If you do not know history, how do you know where our laws come from?

Laws come from the concepts of the indivudual and society and their relationships. Only the West has clear concepts and traditions that give priority to the individual. These traditions come fro Judaism and Greek Judaism a.k.a Christianity.

Other cultures have human rights - an entirely Western innovation- only insofar as they have adopted Western values and legal concepts. Your kind of ignorance of history, Western history in particular, allows the forgetting of how we really got to where we are.

I said i am not a history buff i know some history same as everyone else here. I learned in school the way the american laws were made and they actually tried to separate religion and state when they drafted the constitution. Ours is just modeled on theirs with a few less "freedoms".

I am inclined to agree with FD though partially. I hadnt thought of it that way before.

As for how religious people think (some) they think the laws are based on the 10 commandments. Specifically its the hillsong types that think this. Like morrison. The laws are obviously not based on the 10 commandments since theres only 1 (maybe 2) that are even similar. Stealing and killing.

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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #137 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:53am

Valkie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2018 at 7:10pm:

A tinted culture...

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/colored-petri-dish-specimen-15628339.jpg

That's not nice

That culture has 10 times the IQ of any collection of muzzos, Abbos or Somalis

https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country

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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #138 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 7:19pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:52am:

I said i am not a history buff i know some history same as everyone else here. I learned in school the way the american laws were made and they actually tried to separate religion and state when they drafted the constitution. Ours is just modeled on theirs with a few less "freedoms".

I am inclined to agree with FD though partially. I hadnt thought of it that way before.

As for how religious people think (some) they think the laws are based on the 10 commandments. Specifically its the hillsong types that think this. Like morrison. The laws are obviously not based on the 10 commandments since theres only 1 (maybe 2) that are even similar. Stealing and killing.

Spot

You make up crap on the Spot, to coin a phrase. Only very simple, half-brained people like you would ever imagine that there is nothing but the 10 commandments to Western law, political and constitutional history, let alone speak out loudly, parading even, your fathomless ignorance. Unfathomed by you, most painfully.

The separation of religion and state goes a very long way back, about 1700 years before the American constitution. It's authoritative source is one J. Christ of Bethlehem.

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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #139 - Aug 28^th, 2018 at 6:16am

Frank wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 7:19pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:52am:

I said i am not a history buff i know some history same as everyone else here. I learned in school the way the american laws were made and they actually tried to separate religion and state when they drafted the constitution. Ours is just modeled on theirs with a few less "freedoms".

I am inclined to agree with FD though partially. I hadnt thought of it that way before.

As for how religious people think (some) they think the laws are based on the 10 commandments. Specifically its the hillsong types that think this. Like morrison. The laws are obviously not based on the 10 commandments since theres only 1 (maybe 2) that are even similar. Stealing and killing.

Spot

You make up crap on the Spot, to coin a phrase. Only very simple, half-brained people like you would ever imagine that there is nothing but the 10 commandments to Western law, political and constitutional history, let alone speak out loudly, parading even, your fathomless ignorance. Unfathomed by you, most painfully.

The separation of religion and state goes a very long way back, about 1700 years before the American constitution. It's authoritative source is one J. Christ of Bethlehem.

Obviously you cant read.

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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #140 - Aug 28^th, 2018 at 9:56am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:49am:

Grendel wrote on Aug 26^th, 2018 at 11:01am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 25^th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 25^th, 2018 at 1:00pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 25^th, 2018 at 6:24am:

Grendel wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 8:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2018 at 5:55pm:

Yes, our culture is constantly evolving. It used to be a pie and a coke. Now it's a pie and an iced coffee.

Sorry that is not culture... that is diet.

Yeah you are right - however if we are talking about white culture it is food really isnt it.

Spot

No.
Are you still having problems working out what your definition of culture is.
BTW culture is not coloured. Roll Eyes

So? I was originally replying to someone that was talking about white culture. Of course i was answering from an aussie perspective. Go back and read the thread.

Spot

I'm not the one who doesn't know what culture is.
Unlike you I know about the topic before I enter into it.
You cant tell people they are wrong if YOU are clueless about the subject. Roll Eyes

Thats just nasty. You seem to just be trolling.

Spot

Nope...
happy for you to participate and show me and others you know what you are on about.
So far you haven't. Roll Eyes

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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #143 - Aug 28^th, 2018 at 10:20am

Grendel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2018 at 9:57am:

BTW Spot our laws are not based on american laws...

Try again.

I didnt say based on i said modeled on. we (the "western countries) all have the same kind of format. Prolly not the american ones though more the british ones however a lot of ppl in this country seem to think we are an extension of america.

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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #144 - Aug 28^th, 2018 at 11:42am

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2018 at 8:17am:

A few centuries ago Europe was the only 'advanced' civilisation in which slavery had largely come to an end. Even serfdom in western Europe.

Consider the following beliefs:

1) Humans are distinct from the rest - the worms, trees, rocks etc.
2) Humans are special
3) Humans are equal
4) Humans will be judged for their own individual actions

None of these have an objective, scientific or independent basis. From a scientific perspective, they are all wrong. Nor are they actually universal, though you could argue that most people would choose to live in a culture shaped by these beliefs. The influence that Europeans have had on the world over recent centuries is leading us all in that direction, even if some of us a kicking and screaming.

Freeeeeedom, innit.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: Is culture a dirty word. Reply #146 - Aug 28^th, 2018 at 11:53am Tinted versus tanned, innit.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: Is culture a dirty word. Reply #147 - Aug 28^th, 2018 at 11:58am Inferior culture.
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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: Is culture a dirty word. Reply #148 - Aug 28^th, 2018 at 11:58am As in the 'culture' in Cultural Cringe...........because that's been the case in Australia for decades......even centuries......
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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #149 - Aug 28^th, 2018 at 2:36pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 28^th, 2018 at 10:20am:

Grendel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2018 at 9:57am:

BTW Spot our laws are not based on american laws...

Try again.

I didnt say based on i said modeled on. we (the "western countries) all have the same kind of format. Prolly not the american ones though more the british ones however a lot of ppl in this country seem to think we are an extension of america.

Spot

just what is the big difference between based on and modelled on Spot?
BTW based or modelled... but not on American ls...
Society, not based on America, except perhaps the Filipino intake a few decades ago.

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