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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #210 - Sep 1^st, 2018 at 7:28pm

You don't have to believe me here is another opinion of your dribble.

Jasin wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 10:23pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 10:13pm:

Jasin wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 10:07pm:

Mohommedism was created to get back what Europe 'stole' from the Middle-east and the original Religion of Judaism.

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So watch out France, Islam is coming to strip you of your 'Christianity' Tongue

Germany has already 'broken' its Christian Cross (Swaztika).
Eventually even Italy will have to renounce its 'Christianity' via its future genocide upon the moslems and its defence against Israel.
...then, last of all will come the British 'Cross' (Union Jack) Wink

Now that will be a big one indeed.

I'm making an exception. When I read these posts of yours Jasin, all I can do is shake my head and close the tab(browser). It takes all kinds. Not sure if I want to hear the answer but I'll give it a go.

Do you honestly believe the crap you sprout

like Photon does or are you just having fun and playing "100 monkeys dancing on my keyboard"?

That's because Setanta - you know I'm an exception to the rule. You're a Hippy and I'm a Feral. Wink

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Reply #211 - Sep 1^st, 2018 at 7:31pm

Oh dear....

Jasin wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 10:29pm:

To 'clarify' for Set's confusion and inability to understand 'the Big Picture'.
The future of the world is 'predictable' and is based on past events.
It's like a mechanism that 'will' click back into place. Sometimes it takes time, its a 'process' that the whole world has to go through, like it all not. Those who are 'aware' survive and the ignorant die. It's like surfing a wave or being dumped by one.

When Jews kill one of their own (Jesus),
sure enough, when the world changes (and North America comes onto the scene to 'steal' the attention) - then along comes a Jew (Hitler) to kill his own people.

The world changes, things change.
If you can't change with it then you too are caught in the Veils of Azlaroc Wink

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Reply #212 - Sep 1^st, 2018 at 7:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 1^st, 2018 at 6:41pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 6:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 3:05pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 30^th, 2018 at 8:25am:

LOL

Australian society and culture was influenced by the settlement by the British starting in the 1700s. That is an undeniable fact. Australians were considered British subjects... NOT British, until the 1900s... but our culture and society does differ from the British culture. We are not: English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh..... our society and culture has been influenced by the Aboriginal culture as well.

We as a people recognise Aboriginals as Australian as does the rest of the world, we recognise their place in our history. Just as we recognise the British.

Which Australian Prime Minister announced to the House of Representatives that he was "British to his bootstraps"? When did Australia recognise that Indigenou Australians were human beings and citizens of their own country? Oh, thats right, 1967, after a referendum was undertaken to get their permission. What a shame many white Australians don't consider Indigenous Australians to be human beings today... Roll Eyes

Don't get hysterical, pissy auntie. That referendum was about the Commonwealth having powers regarding Aborigines.

The sections of the Constitution under consideration:

51. The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to:-
...(xxvi) The people of any race, other than the aboriginal people in any State, for whom it is necessary to make special laws.

127. In reckoning the numbers of the people of the Commonwealth, or of a State or other part of the Commonwealth, aboriginal natives should not be counted.

51 was about Commonwealth powers to make laws about aborigines, as distinct fro States having such powers.

127. was simply counting people in the census. Not the same as 'not considered human beings'.

Before the 1967 Referendum Indigenous Australians were not considered human beings - they were not counted in the Census. In NSW they were counted as "Fauna". Funny that, hey, Soren? They were not considered citizens. They could not get a passport. So much for being Australians! Roll Eyes

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Anyway, it wasn't 'their country' in the sense of a society and a country that has a constitution, parliament, a common language, recognised borders, can boil water, has invented the wheel, etc, etc. Aborigines had none of these and understood none of these concepts that make up a country,

They were human beings, Soren. I know such a concept runs counter to your illogical "race" theories but they were and are members of the human race. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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I think it was actually very sensible and sensitive not to rush in a lot earlier and demand that they be like everyone else - which is what happened in non-Britannic colonies. Taking people from the Stone Age into the 20th century is not something you can rush.

Except they weren't considered to be members of the 18th or 19th century either. However the real reason why they were not considered human beings is because they weren't considered productive and therefore untaxable. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Anyway, recognition and making laws for them has been probably the most calamitous event for the Aborigines that are still traditional Aborigines (ie not urban, blonde and blue eyed Aborigines). Violence, alcohol and drug related degradation, indignity, sexual predatory behavior towards children, unbelievable violence against women BY ABORIGINES is the stark feature of today's 'Aboriginal communities'.
No money can remedy their own 'not counting themselves as human being' malady.

Making laws for them means keeping them in their 'traditional environment' where they do nothing but sink. The YES vote in 1967 may well have been a huge mistake. There was no such degradation before. Now there is and there is no Commonwealth law that can do anything about it because it is NOT a matter of Commonwealth law or whether they are counted or not in the census.

Typical racist thinking there, Soren. I suppose it was something you learnt as part of the Old Culture you know, the one you claim is superior to all others? The one that murdered 10 million people simply 'cause they were different? Tsk, tsk, how typical of you, Soren. Australian society tried your belief in apartheid thinking. It is what got the Indigenous Australians were they are today. Tsk, tsk. Funny about that. Roll Eyes

Of course they were recognised as human being, you hyperbolic, unmoored looney.
To recognise just how far back they have been and many still are is not wacism. Why is there special treatment of them if they are not a different ckkass of people?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Is culture a dirty word. Reply #213 - Sep 1^st, 2018 at 8:31pm They were seen as human beings by Cook and Phillip....
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Reply #214 - Sep 1^st, 2018 at 8:35pm

Grendel wrote on Sep 1^st, 2018 at 7:31pm:

Oh dear....

Jasin wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2018 at 10:29pm:

To 'clarify' for Set's confusion and inability to understand 'the Big Picture'.
The future of the world is 'predictable' and is based on past events.
It's like a mechanism that 'will' click back into place. Sometimes it takes time, its a 'process' that the whole world has to go through, like it all not. Those who are 'aware' survive and the ignorant die. It's like surfing a wave or being dumped by one.

When Jews kill one of their own (Jesus),
sure enough, when the world changes (and North America comes onto the scene to 'steal' the attention) - then along comes a Jew (Hitler) to kill his own people.

The world changes, things change.
If you can't change with it then you too are caught in the Veils of Azlaroc Wink

You must excuse me Mr Grendel Wendell.
I have a more important person to attend to in "The Trump Bet" (Chat) currently.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Is culture a dirty word. Reply #215 - Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 8:36am Good go there stay there...
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47418 Gender:	Re: Is culture a dirty word. Reply #216 - Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 9:09am Grendel wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 8:36am: Good go there stay there... Oh like, I couldn't see that one coming A 15 line piece on the emergence of the 'New' races (like New Worlds discovered) would have rattled me a bit more.
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Reply #217 - Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 10:33am

I doubt anything rattles you except that noise when you wobble your head .

The only races are those defined in our language and by science.

To ascribe superiority or inferiority of one over another is simply flawed and ridiculous. Any number of examples proof that beyond a doubt.

There will always be lesser and greater people in life and the recognition of such will be dependent on the values of the time and culture.

Your childish, unintelligent gibberish on this subject and just about any you involve yourself in hardly adds to the debate in any sensible or constructive way. Roll Eyes

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Reply #218 - Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 6:38pm

Grendel wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 10:33am:

I doubt anything rattles you except that noise when you wobble your head .

The only races are those defined in our language and by science.

To ascribe superiority or inferiority of one over another is simply flawed and ridiculous. Any number of examples proof that beyond a doubt.

There will always be lesser and greater people in life and the recognition of such will be dependent on the values of the time and culture.

Your childish, unintelligent gibberish on this subject and just about any you involve yourself in hardly adds to the debate in any sensible or constructive way. Roll Eyes

That in itself shows how pompous and stupid you are.
Do you wear a black skivy as well, while sipping your café latte ? Roll Eyes

Just relying on Science is like just relying on the USA's interpretation of the world ...you know, the whole rest of the world.
You probably don't even know the true future of this part of the world and I can tell you that 'culturally' it is NOT Politics.
Are you from Melbourne? You know - that 'city' that think its Beijing and its population doesn't even know where Australia is. Grin

Maybe you are an arrogant 'Science only' twattle.
Well good for you. But do us a favour and don't hold those who are 'more than just Science' back.

Maybe you agree with Einstein and believe that 'we' all just use 10% of our brains. Well, just thinking from a Scientific point of view is really just that - 10%. Tongue

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Is culture a dirty word. Reply #219 - Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 7:43pm You keep proving me right about you... either refute what I say with sane logical factual argument or run along. I have no interest in swapping ad hom with you or wasting my time arguing with a fool. Stop wasting my time.
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Reply #220 - Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 7:45pm

Grendel wrote on Sep 1^st, 2018 at 8:31pm:

They were seen as human beings by Cook and Phillip....

Pity their successors didn't believe it so, Geoff. Tsk, tsk, fancy counting people as "fauna". Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Yeah, they really believed they were human beings, just like the PHONies believe that Muslims and Asians are human beings, right, Geoff? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47418 Gender:	Re: Is culture a dirty word. Reply #221 - Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 7:48pm Grendel wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 7:43pm: You keep proving me right about you... either refute what I say with sane logical factual argument of run along. I have no interest in swapping ad hom with you or wasting my time arguing with a fool. Stop wasting my time. You started it, you stupid twat!
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Reply #222 - Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 7:58pm

Frank wrote on Sep 1^st, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Of course they were recognised as human being, you hyperbolic, unmoored looney.
To recognise just how far back they have been and many still are is not wacism. Why is there special treatment of them if they are not a different ckkass of people?

Then, Soren, why weren't they counted in the national census? Why were they denied citizenship until 1967? Why were they denied the rights that every citizen enjoyed? Why did they have their wages stolen? Why did they have their children stolen? Why did they have their land stolen? Why were some treated as virtual slaves by the colonists? Hardly the way a civilised nation acts towards people who are considered "human beings" legally and morally. Tsk, tsk. Just more examples of that superior culture, I suppose, innit? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #223 - Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 8:10pm

Here ya go Brian, a chance to educate yourself. Even better, it's from the ABC.

The verdict

Ms Clanton's claim is a myth.

Aboriginal people in Australia have never been covered by a flora and fauna act, either under federal or state law.

But despite several attempts by various people to set the record straight, the myth continues to circulate, perhaps because, as one academic told Fact Check, it "embodies elements of a deeper truth about discrimination".

Although the claim has been repeated more frequently during the past 10 years, there is evidence to suggest the myth originated in the early 1970s.

Both an expert consulted by Fact Check and a museum website in Western Australia suggest several factors have given rise to the notion that a flora and fauna act once existed.

Such factors include the existence at one time or another of government departments and historical reports with titles that bring together the words "flora", "fauna" and "Aboriginal".
Also, a widespread and energetic campaign for a yes vote in the 1967 referendum played a crucial role in setting the conditions for the myth to emerge.

Experts told Fact Check that the referendum involved "dry" technical amendments to the constitution relating to Indigenous Australians.

As these were difficult to explain in a campaign-friendly way, campaigners for a yes vote instead pushed the idea of equal rights and justice for Aboriginal people.

The hugely successful referendum was thereby imbued with a symbolism that further enriched the conditions for the myth to take root; that before the constitution was amended, Indigenous Australians were classified according to a flora and fauna act — a completely incorrect conclusion.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-20/fact-check-flora-and-fauna-1967-referendum/9550650

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Reply #224 - Sep 2^nd, 2018 at 8:15pm

Why 'blacks' (based on 'African' induced blacks) never got 'equality'?

Well, North America is based on a connection with Asia.

If the Blacks want 'equality' then what have they got to give for it?
The 'Yellows' gave up North America.
So until the 'Blacks' give up Australia... (to the world)

You want respect, equality, etc.
Then offer up a gift.
Even the whites, reds, blues, browns, greys and greens have to do the same.

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