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Reply #225 - Sep 2nd, 2018 at 8:22pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 7:45pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 1st, 2018 at 8:31pm:
They were seen as human beings by Cook and Phillip....


Pity their successors didn't believe it so, Geoff.  Tsk, tsk, fancy counting people as "fauna".   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Yeah, they really believed they were human beings, just like the PHONies believe that Muslims and Asians are human beings, right, Geoff?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Did you think they were fauna too bwian?
No.... 
Neither did I.
I guess that makes your point moot and somewhat disingenuous.
How many Australians bwian do you think actually thought Aborigines were fauna? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Need I yet again point to the Referendum result?
How many times must you be told something bwian? Roll Eyes

kindly quote where PHON states that muslims and asians are not human beings?
what?
what was that?
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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #226 - Sep 2nd, 2018 at 8:24pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 7:43pm:
You keep proving me right about you...
either refute what I say with sane logical factual argument of run along.
I have no interest in swapping ad hom with you or wasting my time arguing with a fool.
Stop wasting my time. Roll Eyes


You started it, you stupid twat!   Angry

You keep it going you fatuous fool.... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #227 - Sep 2nd, 2018 at 8:40pm
 
Grendel wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 8:24pm:
Jasin wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 7:48pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 7:43pm:
You keep proving me right about you...
either refute what I say with sane logical factual argument of run along.
I have no interest in swapping ad hom with you or wasting my time arguing with a fool.
Stop wasting my time. Roll Eyes


You started it, you stupid twat!   Angry

You keep it going you fatuous fool.... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Stop wasting my time.


So you're just Trolling.
Well good for you.  Roll Eyes

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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #228 - Sep 2nd, 2018 at 9:59pm
 
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Tsk, tsk, fancy counting people as "fauna".


I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you Brian, but people are animals, not plants.
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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #229 - Sep 2nd, 2018 at 10:42pm
 
Grendel wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 8:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 7:45pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 1st, 2018 at 8:31pm:
They were seen as human beings by Cook and Phillip....


Pity their successors didn't believe it so, Geoff.  Tsk, tsk, fancy counting people as "fauna".   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Yeah, they really believed they were human beings, just like the PHONies believe that Muslims and Asians are human beings, right, Geoff?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Did you think they were fauna too bwian?
No.... 
Neither did I.
I guess that makes your point moot and somewhat disingenuous.
How many Australians bwian do you think actually thought Aborigines were fauna? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Need I yet again point to the Referendum result?
How many times must you be told something bwian? Roll Eyes

kindly quote where PHON states that muslims are not human beings?
what?
what was that?
Oh you lied. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


By 1967, very few Australians thought they were fauna.  A hundred years earlier?  Well, they had very little say in how they were governed there, Geoff.

You and your band of village idiots seem to want to harker after those days, with your talk about how evil Muslims, Asians, immigrants are.  How terrible it is that we have allowed them to become Australians.   PHONies are such silly people, really.  So much for your "final solution", hey, Veritas?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #230 - Sep 2nd, 2018 at 10:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 9:59pm:
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Tsk, tsk, fancy counting people as "fauna".


I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you Brian, but people are animals, not plants.


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Where did I suggest they were plants, FD?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Yet another mistake on your part, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #231 - Sep 2nd, 2018 at 11:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 1st, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Of course they were recognised as human being, you hyperbolic, unmoored looney.
To recognise just how far back they have been and many still are is not wacism. Why is there special treatment of them if they are not a different ckkass of people?


Then, Soren, why weren't they counted in the national census?  Why were they denied citizenship until 1967?  Why were they denied the rights that every citizen enjoyed?  Why did they have their wages stolen?  Why did they have their children stolen?  Why did they have their land stolen?  Why were some treated as virtual slaves by the colonists?  Hardly the way a civilised nation acts towards people who are considered "human beings" legally and morally.   Tsk, tsk.  Just more examples of that superior culture, I suppose, innit?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Because you are an idiot, Bwian. A simple, addled old fool.



Experts told Fact Check that the referendum involved "dry" technical amendments to the constitution relating to Indigenous Australians.

As these were difficult to explain in a campaign-friendly way, campaigners for a yes vote instead pushed the idea of equal rights and justice for Aboriginal people.

The hugely successful referendum was thereby imbued with a symbolism that further enriched the conditions for the myth to take root; that before the constitution was amended, Indigenous Australians were classified according to a flora and fauna act — a completely incorrect conclusion.


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Section 51 (xxvi) was altered and section 127 was deleted. More than 90 per cent of the nation and a majority in all states voted yes.

Before the referendum, the Commonwealth could not make special laws for Aboriginal people (except in the territories) because they were governed by state laws.

Removing a reference to Aboriginal people in section 51 (xxvi) meant the Commonwealth gained the power to make special laws for Aboriginal people.

Constitutional law expert Professor Anne Twomey, in a 2017 opinion article in The Australian, cited native title laws as an example of this.

Meanwhile, section 127 of the constitution had excluded Aboriginal people from being counted for constitutional purposes; they were not included in the populations of states and territories for the purposes of allocating federal seats in Parliament.

Nor were they counted for the purposes of calculating certain Commonwealth grants. The removal of section 127 allowed Aboriginal people to be counted for these purposes.

Professor Twomey noted that this did not prevent Aboriginal people from being counted for other purposes — they were counted in the first Commonwealth census in 1911 (except in remote areas).

Also, by 1967, Indigenous Australians were already able to vote in federal and state elections.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-20/fact-check-flora-and-fauna-1967-referendum/9550650

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Re: Is culture a dirty word.
Reply #232 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 12:10am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 10:47pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 9:59pm:
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Tsk, tsk, fancy counting people as "fauna".


I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you Brian, but people are animals, not plants.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Where did I suggest they were plants, FD?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Yet another mistake on your part, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 7:45pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 1st, 2018 at 8:31pm:
They were seen as human beings by Cook and Phillip....


Pity their successors didn't believe it so, Geoff.  Tsk, tsk, fancy counting people as "fauna".   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Yeah, they really believed they were human beings, just like the PHONies believe that Muslims and Asians are human beings, right, Geoff?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #233 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 7:26am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 1st, 2018 at 7:32pm:
Of course they were recognised as human being, you hyperbolic, unmoored looney.
To recognise just how far back they have been and many still are is not wacism. Why is there special treatment of them if they are not a different ckkass of people?


Then, Soren, why weren't they counted in the national census?  Why were they denied citizenship until 1967?  Why were they denied the rights that every citizen enjoyed? Why did they have their wages stolen? Why did they have their children stolen?  Why did they have their land stolen?  Why were some treated as virtual slaves by the colonists?  Hardly the way a civilised nation acts towards people who are considered "human beings" legally and morally.   Tsk, tsk.  Just more examples of that superior culture, I suppose, innit?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


They didn't.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #234 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 8:09am
 
If the abos stood up and had a war with the poms when the first fleet arrived then perhaps the abos would be running the show now. That's how the world was. Invasion with force. Total populations wiped out through invasion. Get over it.
Now, those that have trouble accepting this by applying 2018 mindset to that of 1778 are the ones that need to be wiped out. Make them liable for their actions. They're the same ones bringing in these sponsered shitheads that are farkking melbourne.

There are abos out there that are normal working australians. It's the stupid white carnts that apply this stolen gen,stolen lives bullshit and try the guilt trip on people who had absolutely nothing to do with the events that need rubbing out. Line em up and push em off the cliff for all I care. All they do is create divide by their race segregation hence the stupid carnts have pilled the sudans in one massive enclave of 3rd world scum in a major first world city....instead of forward thinking and scattering the population throughout Australia.
Sure, some white fellas carried the race segregation banner years ago but the most just got on with life and worked along side the abos (that were willing to work, and most were) and every other race of human....but still recognising the differences of the races (because that is important too). My advise is to turn your back on those stupid white dickheads making all the noise. Just turn around and show them your back. That's the respect they deserve.

If the white fella came here and turned this place into an african type shithole country then yeah you dickhead noisy white carnts would have something to piss and moan over, banish us to a life of misery...but they didn't. They worked hard, along side abos, for the most part, fighting the common enemy....the ever corrupt gov... to make this country what it is today. Noone seems to piss and moan about how the irish were treated when they came here....just the poor abo darlings that, well most, couldn't care less.


It's mabo. It's the vibe. It's Australia and Australia needs to harden the bugger up before we lose it to these white dogooder scum forever and we can't reverse the damage....or better still a war. A war that required the men and women of this fine land to fight for its survival. Then see who would actually fight for us...and against us.
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Reply #235 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 8:35am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 10:42pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 8:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 7:45pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 1st, 2018 at 8:31pm:
They were seen as human beings by Cook and Phillip....


Pity their successors didn't believe it so, Geoff.  Tsk, tsk, fancy counting people as "fauna".   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Yeah, they really believed they were human beings, just like the PHONies believe that Muslims and Asians are human beings, right, Geoff?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Did you think they were fauna too bwian?
No.... 
Neither did I.
I guess that makes your point moot and somewhat disingenuous.
How many Australians bwian do you think actually thought Aborigines were fauna? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Need I yet again point to the Referendum result?
How many times must you be told something bwian? Roll Eyes

kindly quote where PHON states that muslims are not human beings?
what?
what was that?
Oh you lied. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


By 1967, very few Australians thought they were fauna. 

really?

How many bwian?  surely not anyone who had any sort of education in fact most would have been surprised by that categorisation and bwian, that categorisation is apparently a myth...  do you believe in myths?  do you like spreading lies?


A hundred years earlier?  Well, they had very little say in how they were governed there, Geoff.

Really?  many of us have very little say in how we are governed now dopey.  Your point would be what?  oh...  moot.


You and your band of village idiots seem to want to harker after those days, with your talk about how evil Muslims, Asians, immigrants are. 

My band of what are you still being a lying Troll even though you've been shown to be an obsessive fool how many times now.  Just when have I ever used evil to describe anyone bwian I don't even use it to describe you and you persistent lying.


How terrible it is that we have allowed them to become Australians.   

How many of them see themselves as Australian bwian?  How many of them have assimilated to the Australian way of life and culture bwian?
 

PHONies are such silly people, really. 

But not as silly as YOU bwian. Even those still clinging on to PHON today are not as silly as YOU.  They care about their society and country.


So much for your "final solution", hey, Veritas?  Tsk, tsk. 
tsk, tsk, tsk....  you are a low life troll aren't you perhaps banning is well deserved for you after all....  lying about 2 words is as pathetic as YOU can get enjoy living in the gutter...  TRUTH hurts eh?

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Reply #236 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:20am
 
Abos 'almost' did 'war' with the early colony.

Sydney was a very harmonious place. Aboriginals could come and go, were often invited into homes. Both peoples were found often 'in interest' of one another. Aboriginals brought foods for trade with the struggling colony. They showed and directed the colonists along many of their 'paths' out into the yonder (much later, one was to help Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson across the Blue Mountains ...to which the 'media/history' told they did it themselves  Roll Eyes).

It wasn't until a Greenkeeper out in the Wiradjiri area - shot some Aboriginals, did everything fall to bits. It was the one Aboriginal territory that had a reputation for 'war-like' behaviour against other tribes. Immediately they went on the war-path, burning and raiding, killing even. Only the 'families' that were 'very good' to the Wiradjiri were tolerated and left alone.
But it was too late, the 'British' and their 'people' - soon took the aggressive approach forever on.


Now 'Western' (Political) culture is mostly aimed at Yellow peoples/Asia. It's always been its focus or opponent.The 'Western' colony down here was only meant to be an 'Outpost', just like in South Africa (where the Boers intergrated, but the British didn't). So really, Western culture has its 'back turned' from the Blacks, facing the Yellows.

Of course, this brings in where the 'Eastern Europeans' will soon take over Australia (rejecting Asia, as Russia soon will - much to its demise) and will be the European peoples who face the Black/Africa way of life. I mean, the Eastern European Boxers can 'equal' the black Boxers easy, unlike the Western (USA) and Western European boxers can.

So that's why. Wink
The Celts & Yellows
The Slavs (Slave) & Blacks

So look forward to Politics (Westernism) to fold here from a sense of Power to just having kids and the Art (Easternism) of the Slavic peoples kicking on here and making this a powerful New World, for all, under their Empowerment.

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Reply #237 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 6:46pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 12:10am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 10:47pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 9:59pm:
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Tsk, tsk, fancy counting people as "fauna".


I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you Brian, but people are animals, not plants.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Where did I suggest they were plants, FD?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Yet another mistake on your part, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 7:45pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 1st, 2018 at 8:31pm:
They were seen as human beings by Cook and Phillip....


Pity their successors didn't believe it so, Geoff.  Tsk, tsk, fancy counting people as "fauna".   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Yeah, they really believed they were human beings, just like the PHONies believe that Muslims and Asians are human beings, right, Geoff?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



"Fauna" are animals, Soren.  "Flora" are plants.  Time to consult your English dictionary, I think.  Tsk, tsk, who'd have thunk it, a refugee from the superior culture showing 'is ignorance, yet again, hey?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #238 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 6:51pm
 

Animals are animals.
The difference with them compared to Humans
is that Humans can stoop much lower than Animals
...and become 'Monsters'.
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Reply #239 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 6:52pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 10:47pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2018 at 9:59pm:
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Tsk, tsk, fancy counting people as "fauna".


I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you Brian, but people are animals, not plants.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Where did I suggest they were plants, FD?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Yet another mistake on your part, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


If they are not flora or fauna, what you you think aborigines are?

Rocks?
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