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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/25#25






And below, are many more examples,     n.b. just in 2018,    of 'Aussie' moslems expressing their love for ISLAM, and their disdain towards everything Australia
[except for things like,        our Australia welfare system,      and our Australian societal safety, being provided to the moslem,
in which environment, he can freely pursue his nefarious aims.]

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Australia: Muslim brothers scream “we’re going to kill you, we need you dead” at mother because she left Islam
Jun 5, 2018 11:37 am
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/06/australia-muslim-brothers-scream-were-going-t...


Australia: Muslims plotted jihad mass murder on airplane with bombs hidden in Barbie doll
Jun 5, 2018 11:10 am
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/06/australia-muslims-plotted-jihad-mass-murder-o...


Australia: Muslim gouges out wife’s eyes and slaughters her in front of their three young children
Jun 3, 2018 3:19 pm
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/06/australia-muslim-gouges-out-wifes-eyes-and-sl...


Australia: Muslima who stabbed sleeping man says she was “acting on behalf of the Caliphate”
May 6, 2018 12:19 pm
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/australia-muslima-who-stabbed-sleeping-man-sa...


Australia: Islamic State recruiter refuses to stand for judge, she “only stands for Allah”
May 4, 2018 3:52 pm
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/australia-islamic-state-recruiter-refuses-to-...


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https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/australia

Well didn't gandi tell us he believes they don't really have to be loyal to us?

Something about jingoism wasn't  it?

Yadda wrote on Oct 1^st, 2018 at 2:11pm:




The prophet of ISLAM,      Mohammed himself,      after having a critic [of himself] assasinated, said after her death, that slitting her throat was....


Google it








Google;





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"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06




KILL ALL HYPOCRITES AND DISBELIEVERS

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"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."




KILL ALL HYPOCRITES AND DISBELIEVERS

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THE HADITH....

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




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QUESTION;
What 'set off' Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on that fateful day, to decide to murder Australian Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, NSW ???

ANSWER;
ONLY ALLAH KNOWS!



n.b.
ISLAMIC culture encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng.



Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was inspired by ISLAM's imperative, which urged him TO KILL THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH.



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"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

moses wrote on Oct 1^st, 2018 at 1:46pm:


moses, I think there is a time and place to be partisan, and sometimes you just, you know, need to be a decent human being.

Here we have someone publicly and unapologetically calling for me and my entire family to be locked up, presumably indefinitely, like we live in some trully terrifying fascist Orwellian dystopia. Not for anything that I've actually done - not because of any law I may or may not have broken, not even for what I have or haven't contributed to society - but merely because of the label he can stamp on my forehead.

Now I know you and most others here love to wax lyrical about how I'm supposed to follow a religion that advocates inflicting evil upon others etc. Thats fine, a battle of ideas I can handle, and I can handle being called spineless, hypocritical, liar etc etc, as I am on a daily basis. But when confronted by such a blatantly intimidatory attack on innocent people's liberty,  (yes, innocent - he is not restricting his call for people who have actually done something wrong - morally or legal - but anyone who identifies by the label 'muslim'), I would have thought the time to be partisan stops, and the time to stand up for common decency starts. And to be clear, I found your response - suggesting (wrongly) that I am contemptuous of the idea of being 'loyal' to Australia, and *THEREFORE* implying that the outrageous and fascistic call by Yadda is justified - highly offensive.

Perhaps you could clearly state your position on this, for the record. Do you really believe its appropriate that every man woman and child who identifies as 'muslim' be locked up indefinitely in "administrative detention", as Yadda calls for? I don't believe you do. I like to think you find the idea abhorrent and an affront to our values as a free and democratic society. Yet here you are, effectively validating such an outrageous (not to mention dangerous) call, with this highly offensive response. I believe you can do better moses - I believe you have it in you to make a stand against such bigotry.

   

@ Reply #7

addressing a few points.....

"like we live in some trully terrifying fascist Orwellian dystopia."

You mean, what it would be like for 1/ a Christian or 2/ a Jew or 3/ a secular person     living as a citizen,     in a place like Iran, or Somalia, or Egypt, or Libya, or Yemen, or Pakistan or Bangladesh ?

Being harassed, and even murdered, because you were not a follower of ISLAM ?

Having your children stolen by moslems [who are known to you], and the moslem police refusing to help you to retrieve your children, because you were not a follower of ISLAM ?



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"But when confronted by such a blatantly intimidatory attack on innocent people's liberty,"

'innocent people' ?

Still insisting that, as a follower of ISLAM, a moslem [living among those who are not moslems] can always be relied upon, not to act against the essential interests of those who are not moslems ?

Still insisting that, as a follower of ISLAM, the doctrines, and the religious tenets and laws and precepts of ISLAM have had no corrosive and damaging influence upon your personality and your psyche ?


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"and the time to stand up for common decency starts"

Does it ?

So you denounce the principle tenet which ISLAM teaches ?
.....which is, an active and never-ending hatred and an active distrust for those who have rejected ISLAM.

" "And believe no one unless he follows your religion." Say: "True guidance is the Guidance of Allah:....."   "
Koran 3.73

So you denounce and renounce, the contents of the Koran, and what Allah teaches [in the Koran], about disbelievers ?



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"And to be clear, I found your response - suggesting (wrongly) that I am contemptuous of the idea of being 'loyal' to Australia,"

I cannot believe you, as a moslem.

I could never believe, gandalf,    that any person whose devotion is primarily to ISLAM, could have any sincere affection for the people of a disbelieving nation, or interest in the well being of the people of a disbelieving nation, or, for that disbelieving nation itself.





gandalf,

Can you answer this ?...

How do you reconcile what is instructed in the immutable and inerrant Koran,
towards those who are not moslems,
with your obvious devotion and loyalty to ISLAM, as your religious faith ?



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The holy scripture,      ...BEING SPIRITUAL INSTRUCTION, FOR EVERY FOLLOWER OF ISLAM.



"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11




"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2018 at 3:21pm:



          just don't concern yourself,
with the violent religious bigotry,
which my faith endorses and promotes, and actively directs,
against all those who do not believe, as we believe.
- the 'virtuous', peaceful moslem



bigotry ?

You want to see      bigotry      writ large ?






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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4


https://quran.com/60/4




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THE HADITH....

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/bukhari/

@ Reply #7

addressing the allegation of my attack,       upon the innocent moslem.....


Quote:


'innocent people' ?



Dictionary;
innocent = =
1 not guilty of a crime or offence.      not responsible or directly involved: an innocent bystander.
2 free from moral wrong; not corrupted.



You are not an innocent person gandalf, imo.




gandalf,

Can you refute this following charge ?

A moslem, by definition, is a follower of the creed of ISLAM.




gandalf,

The principle tenets of the faith of ISLAM promote hatred and     actual hostility,     towards persons who are not moslems.
...on the basis [justification], because persons who are not moslems, do not believe, as moslems believe.

Q.
Isn't such cultural/religious intolerance, in itself, an example of      naked bigotry ?

Dictionary;
tenet = = a principle or belief.


gandalf,

How is, being a follower of a creed, and giving your support to a creed, which holds and promotes such community tenets [as being lawful and virtuous],
not an attack on the freedom and liberty, and, not an attack upon     the peace and the safety,    of persons who are not moslems ?


[and lawful!!],       to promote such views within a religious community, within Australia ?


How can, persons widely promoting such hatred and actual hostility, against those who are not moslems [and promoting such hostility, as being a 'legitimate' action],
not be viewed as having a serious criminal intent ?



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gandalf,

Can you refute this following charge ?

The source of every influence and tenet, held within ISLAM is;    Allah, and Mohammed, and the Holy Koran.

1/ Allah,
2/ Mohammed, and
3/ the Holy Koran,
together, are the principle and only influences acting upon every follower of ISLAM, and being influences which underpin all lawful authority, and which thereby lawfully claim total obedience, to the actual strictures of ISLAM.


Restating....

Every devout moslem,         is enthralled by, and worships, the deity known as Allah.

Every devout moslem,         reveres the virtue of Mohammed, the messenger of Allah.

Every devout moslem,         reveres the Koran as [its words] being divine holy scripture,
and those words being 1/ immutable and 2/ inerrant,
and that, its entire contents are attributed, as being the unaltered and direct words of Allah.


ALTERNATIVELY;
If this [above] is not so,        then tell us, where does lawful authority originate from, and flow from,
in the following      all of the lawful strictures      which are applicable, in following ISLAM ?



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Can you refute these following allegations ?


ISLAM is a creed which legitimises any and all kinds of hostility, towards disbelievers, being, 'lawful' hostility towards people who do not believe what moslems believe.

gandalf,

You are choosing,      to follow a creed which gives you lawful authority to kill people who do not believe as you believe.

You are choosing,      to follow a creed which gives you lawful authority to kill me.

You are choosing,      to follow a creed which declares that Allah's law, should rightfully have authority over all of this land, Australia.

You are choosing,      to give support to all those persons who seek to spread the influence of that creed.



Q.
Do you consider yourself gandalf, in being a follower of ISLAM, to be a wholly innocent person ?



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freediver said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1459123428/75#75
Quote:




Yadda ins't holding his breath.

My firm conviction is,      that gandalf, is a follower of ISLAM.




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"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06





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"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





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THE HADITH....

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260