Australian Politics Forum - RC in to media urgently required

Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	RC in to media urgently required Oct 2^nd, 2018 at 12:28pm https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/comment-culture-of-fear-murdoch-the-abc... Hear hear
Back to top	IP Logged

macman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2435 australia Gender:	Re: RC in to media urgently required Reply #1 - Oct 2^nd, 2018 at 4:55pm Couldn't agree more lefty, Murdoch is as bad as old Frank Packer. This bullshit with the ABC has to end.
Back to top	IP Logged

juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: RC in to media urgently required Reply #2 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 1:29pm More FAKE NEWS from the Polly Waffle VIRUS. The Lefties HATE anything which preaches TRUTH and HONESTY. They like the Socialist lies oozing out of the ABC Socialist Propaganda Station.
Back to top	IP Logged

lee

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 17330
Gender: male

Re: RC in to media urgently required
Reply #3 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 2:15pm

"Then there's Murdoch. Owning nearly 70 per cent of Australian print, in addition to Sky, it is now clear Murdoch used this power ruthlessly to run a campaign to depose Malcolm Turnbull in favour of Peter Dutton - only to end up with Morrison as the consolation prize."

"This statement is factually incorrect. According to the Finkelstein Review of Media and Media Regulation, in 2011 News Corp Australia (then News Limited) accounted for 23% of the newspaper titles in Australia. "

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-does-murdoch-own-70-of-newspapers-in-austr...

And Paul Kelly and Miranda Devine defended MT.

"People forget News Corp launched a vicious campaign against my wife’s company in April 2007 alleging Therese had underpaid her employees. When three months later an inquiry found Therese was in fact paying her employees above award, News buried it. "

"Mr Rudd met his wife at Sydney Airport after she caught an early flight home from a business trip because of the furore over revelations her job placement company had accidentally underpaid 58 workers."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/kevin-comes-first-so-therese-takes-business-out-...

Poor butt- hurt KRudd.

Back to top

IP Logged

Bam

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 21905
Gender: male

Re: RC in to media urgently required
Reply #4 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:15pm

lee wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 2:15pm:

"Then there's Murdoch. Owning nearly 70 per cent of Australian print, in addition to Sky, it is now clear Murdoch used this power ruthlessly to run a campaign to depose Malcolm Turnbull in favour of Peter Dutton - only to end up with Morrison as the consolation prize."

"This statement is factually incorrect. According to the Finkelstein Review of Media and Media Regulation, in 2011 News Corp Australia (then News Limited) accounted for 23% of the newspaper titles in Australia. "

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-does-murdoch-own-70-of-newspapers-in-austr...

Cherrypicking your facts AGAIN? Quoting out of context AGAIN? Do you EVER learn?

Here's what lee didn't want you to see with his selective quoting:

Quote:

In a rebuttal of Kevin Rudd’s claim, Sally Jackson from The Australian observed that News Corp Australia accounts for 33% of the newspaper titles that have sales audited by the Audit Bureau of Circulation.

But Rudd’s claim has more validity if we focus on newspaper circulation. Many of the newspapers listed are highly localised and have small circulations.

News Corp Australia titles account for 59% of the sales of all daily newspapers, with sales of 17.3 million papers a week, making it Australia’s most influential newspaper publisher by a considerable margin.

Among capital city and national daily newspapers, which are by far the most influential in setting the news agenda, News Corporation titles accounted for 65% of circulation in 2011. Fairfax Media, the next biggest publisher, controlled just 25%. Those figures may have shifted slightly since then, but there is no doubt that News Corp Australia is our most dominant player - as academic Matthew Ricketson pointed out in The Conversation’s media panel blog, it owns 14 of our 21 metro daily and Sunday newspapers.

Note that this lee "person" only quoted the paragraph that had the smallest figure, omitting the rest so as to mislead by omission. He does this a lot and this is why he's not a trustworthy poster.

Back to top

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

IP Logged

Bam

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 21905
Gender: male

Re: RC in to media urgently required
Reply #5 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:20pm

Its time wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2018 at 12:28pm:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/comment-culture-of-fear-murdoch-the-abc...

Hear hear

We certainly need to look at bringing in US-style anti-trust laws, so corporations that abuse their market dominance can be forced to divest assets.

The big banks in particular would behave better if the threat of forced divestiture was an available legal remedy.

Back to top

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

IP Logged

Cu Chulainn

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2135
Gender: male

Re: RC in to media urgently required
Reply #6 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:30pm

Its time wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2018 at 12:28pm:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/comment-culture-of-fear-murdoch-the-abc...

Hear hear

While I agree with most of what was said in that, I hope Rudd did not write it and send it in like that. Where was his proof reader?

Quote:

The fact the Liberal Party Federal Council recently for total privatisation of the ABC underlines Murdoch’s and the Liberal’s common approach.

Quote:

When three months later an inquiry found Therese was , News buried it.

Quote:

And then on election eve, Allen leaked to the Murdoch Sunday papers (for which I accept complete responsibility) while neglecting to mention the fact that it was Allen himself who took me there as his guest.

Back to top

IP Logged

lee

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 17330
Gender: male

Re: RC in to media urgently required
Reply #7 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 10:36pm

Bam wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

Note that this lee "person" only quoted the paragraph that had the smallest figure, omitting the rest so as to mislead by omission. He does this a lot and this is why he's not a trustworthy poster.

And yet when you give the complete quote not one figure reaches 70%. So you are just being ingenuous.

And then of course the Sunday Times in Western Australia, which once was in the Murdoch stable is now owned by Kerry Stokes. So that reduces Murdoch ownership.

And the post from The Conversation is from 2013. And he is still making the same claims.

Back to top

IP Logged

Cu Chulainn

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2135
Gender: male

Re: RC in to media urgently required
Reply #8 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 10:54pm

Bam wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:20pm:

Its time wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2018 at 12:28pm:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/comment-culture-of-fear-murdoch-the-abc...

Hear hear

We certainly need to look at bringing in US-style anti-trust laws, so corporations that abuse their market dominance can be forced to divest assets.

The big banks in particular would behave better if the threat of forced divestiture was an available legal remedy.

The big banks worked best when there were "people owned" banks to keep the rest honest. Deregulation of banking was a bad idea.

Back to top

IP Logged

juliar

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 22966

Re: RC in to media urgently required
Reply #9 - Oct 5^th, 2018 at 9:33am

The converting of the ABC Socialist Propaganda Station to Christianity by ScoMo is very alarming to the Lefties and Greeny types as the ABC is their illegally operating Socialist mouthpiece.

And without their illegally operated ABC Socialist Propaganda Station the Lefties well be lost and voiceless coming up to the election.

Will GetUp! start a pirate radio/TV station overflowing with bilious Socialist venom ?

Back to top

IP Logged

Bam

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 21905
Gender: male

Re: RC in to media urgently required
Reply #10 - Oct 5^th, 2018 at 9:40am

lee wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:

Note that this lee "person" only quoted the paragraph that had the smallest figure, omitting the rest so as to mislead by omission. He does this a lot and this is why he's not a trustworthy poster.

And yet when you give the complete quote not one figure reaches 70%.

So what? Did anyone say that Rudd's figure was supposed to be accurate to the decimal? You're splitting hairs.

Back to top

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

IP Logged

lee

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 17330
Gender: male

Re: RC in to media urgently required
Reply #11 - Oct 5^th, 2018 at 12:19pm

Bam wrote on Oct 5^th, 2018 at 9:40am:

So what? Did anyone say that Rudd's figure was supposed to be accurate to the decimal? You're splitting hairs.

No. I mean it wasn't accurate then and seeing as he has sold off the Sunday Times it is even less likely now. Grin

But he is still using the old figures.

Having got his arse handed to him on a plate last time you would think he would try to be accurate this time. Perhaps even clarify what he meant. Circulation vs Mastheads.

But critical thinking isn't your forte.

Back to top

IP Logged

Bam

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 21905
Gender: male

Re: RC in to media urgently required
Reply #12 - Oct 6^th, 2018 at 8:24pm

lee wrote on Oct 5^th, 2018 at 12:19pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 5^th, 2018 at 9:40am:

So what? Did anyone say that Rudd's figure was supposed to be accurate to the decimal? You're splitting hairs.

No. I mean it wasn't accurate then and seeing as he has sold off the Sunday Times it is even less likely now. Grin

But he is still using the old figures.

Having got his arse handed to him on a plate last time you would think he would try to be accurate this time. Perhaps even clarify what he meant. Circulation vs Mastheads.

But critical thinking isn't your forte.

My critical thinking skills are fine. I have no idea though why you chose to crap on about Rudd.

As for thinking skills, thinking of any kind isn't your forte. Tongue

Back to top

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

IP Logged

lee

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 17330
Gender: male

Re: RC in to media urgently required
Reply #13 - Oct 6^th, 2018 at 8:45pm

Bam wrote on Oct 6^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

My critical thinking skills are fine.

Perhaps you can explain why you think the graph showing Australia's emissions, which peaked in 2006, are in 2016 somehow higher, by your estimation?

Or why you think that the emissions excluding LULUCF are somehow not Australia's total emissions?

Bam wrote on Oct 6^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

As for thinking skills, thinking of any kind isn't your forte.

Says the person who fails so often.

Back to top

IP Logged

SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 16941 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: RC in to media urgently required Reply #14 - Oct 6^th, 2018 at 9:26pm Why do the Libs always call for an RC into the media when they need a distraction?
Back to top	IP Logged