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Morrison Says Do Farm Work Or Lose Welfare Pay
Oct 13^th, 2018 at 3:48pm

Do farm work or lose welfare pay: Morrison Sad

The Australian
October 13, 2018

Jobseekers are being urged under a new Morrison government scheme to take up work on farms or face losing their welfare payments for up to a month.

Under the arrangements, farmers can register their job requirements, pay and conditions with the National Harvest Labour Information Service and job providers will try to find local unemployed to fill the positions.

If jobseekers don't have a reasonable excuse for not accepting the work they can have their income support benefits reduced or withdrawn for up to four weeks.

"While we're tackling the labour shortage this also ensures job seekers on taxpayer support have no excuse to refuse opportunities," Prime Minister Scott Morrison said of the scheme.

However National Farmers' Federation President Fiona Simson has slammed the government's "carrot and stick" push as a "shallow approach to a deep problem" and says industry has long called for a dedicated agricultural visa.

"Many agricultural tasks are short-term or seasonal. Often these arrangements aren't attractive to local workers, who have ongoing financial commitments and longer term career aspirations," Ms Simson said.

Labor is also critical of the announcement with Agriculture spokesman Joel Fitzgibbon calling it a stunt to distract from broken visa promises.

"The last thing growers need is people who don't want to be there," he said.

"This is from the bloke who introduced a backpacker tax."

ACOSS CEO Cassandra Goldie said she strongly opposed any policy that uses "threats to cut off basic supports" to force people to move for temporary low paid work.

She said the plan poses a "serious risk for those already in poverty", as it could mean giving up affordable rental accommodation and the loss of financial supports from family and friends.

Mr Morrison denied the scheme introduced changes to how people could lose access to welfare payments - currently after three instances or three jobseeker demerits in six months.

He said Assistant Minister for International Development Anne Ruston would be working over the next couple of weeks to ensure any relevant changes were made to the Pacific Islander scheme.

Mr Morrison also said he would be working with the Immigration Minister David Coleman across possible changes to the working holiday visa program.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102102 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Morrison Says Do Farm Work Or Lose Welfare Pay Reply #1 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 4:03pm One of the problems with that is that many people on the dole are either too old or too sick to work but they can't get the DSP. Morriscum has no humanity & Labor will be no better.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135851 Gender:	Re: Morrison Says Do Farm Work Or Lose Welfare Pay Reply #2 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 4:10pm If someone (God forbid) falls off a trailer or tractor and dies, will Morriscum's government try to cover up the death (again)?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102102 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Morrison Says Do Farm Work Or Lose Welfare Pay Reply #3 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 4:14pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 4:10pm: If someone (God forbid) falls off a trailer or tractor and dies, will Morriscum's government try to cover up the death (again)? It's all about the rich getting richer & the poor getting the picture:
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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7986 melbourne Gender:	Re: Morrison Says Do Farm Work Or Lose Welfare Pay Reply #4 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 4:24pm When will the unemployed ever get a fair and just increase?.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102102 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Morrison Says Do Farm Work Or Lose Welfare Pay Reply #5 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 4:39pm whiteknight wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 4:24pm: When will the unemployed ever get a fair and just increase?. Never - the Govt. is against the unemployed - they just want to make their lives as miserable as possible.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21426 ACT Gender:	Re: Morrison Says Do Farm Work Or Lose Welfare Pay Reply #6 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 4:42pm Actually I dont have a problem with it if they live close to the farm and have transport available!
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Reply #7 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 4:55pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 4:42pm:

Actually I dont have a problem with it if they live close to the farm and have transport available!

What if you're old and have a whole list of medical problems -
& you can't get the DSP -
how long are you going to survive in the hot sun?

It's alright if you're 20 years old - young and fit.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Morrison Says Do Farm Work Or Lose Welfare Pay Reply #8 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm Simplistic and Dangerous
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Reply #9 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 6:08pm

If the government wants to reduce labour shortages for farm work, it can start by slashing red tape, penalties and compliance.

Start by repealing this from the Social Security Act:

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633 Seasonal workers

         (1) This section applies if, at any time during the 6 months immediately before the day on which a person lodges a claim for newstart allowance, the person, or, if the person is a member of a couple, the person or the person’s partner, has been engaged in seasonal work.

Note:       For seasonal work see subsection 16A(1).

         (2) Newstart allowance is not payable to the person:

                  (a) if the person is subject to a seasonal work preclusion period (whether in relation to the claim referred to in subsection (1) or any other claim under this Act) and the Secretary has not made a determination under subsection (3) in relation to the person—for the person’s seasonal work preclusion period; or

                  (b) if the Secretary has made a determination under subsection (3) in relation to the person—for that part (if any) of the person’s seasonal work preclusion period to which the person is subject as a result of the determination.

Note:       For seasonal work preclusion period see subsection 16A(1).

         (3) If the Secretary is satisfied that a person is in severe financial hardship because the person has incurred unavoidable or reasonable expenditure while the person is subject to a seasonal work preclusion period (whether in relation to the claim referred to in subsection (1) or any other claim under this Act):

                  (a) the Secretary may determine that the person is not subject to the whole, or any part, of the preclusion period; and

                  (b) the determination has effect accordingly.

Note 1:    For in severe financial hardship see subsection 19C(2) (person who is not a member of a couple) and subsection 19C(3) (person who is a member of a couple).

Note 2:    For unavoidable or reasonable expenditure see subsection 19C(4).

         (4) Subsection (2) does not apply to a person who:

                  (a) is undertaking an activity specified in an instrument made under subsection (5); and

                  (b) has been exempted from the application of subsection (2) by the Secretary.

         (5) The Secretary may, by legislative instrument, specify activities for the purpose of paragraph (4)(a).

This section is a VERY strong disincentive to do seasonal farm work by imposing a waiting period of up to SIX MONTHS! Who the fsck is going to want to do farm work if they are whacked with such a FSCKING HUGE PENALTY for doing so!

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Reply #10 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 6:12pm

red baron wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

Simplistic and Dangerous

The Government knows locals will not take the work or they would have done so already....No one want's an employee who is forced into doing a job for obvious reasons....This is another scam to allow more cheap labour into Australia when locals fail to take the jobs....I wonder what new or revised visa category will be created for this scam???

Huh

The Government promoting foreign workers....

https://www.business.gov.au/people/hiring/employ-people-from-overseas

This rabble must go!!!

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102102 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Morrison Says Do Farm Work Or Lose Welfare Pay Reply #11 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 6:12pm Good find Bam, but there are 1001 reasons why they won't pay their miserable amount of dole money.
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Reply #12 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 6:13pm

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 6:12pm:

red baron wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

Simplistic and Dangerous

The Government knows locals will not take the work or they would have done so already....No one want's an employee who is forced into doing a job for obvious reasons....This is another scam to allow more cheap labour into Australia when locals fail to take the jobs or employers don't want to provide training....I wonder what new or revised visa category will be created for this scam???

Huh

The Government promoting foreign workers....

https://www.business.gov.au/people/hiring/employ-people-from-overseas

This rabble must go!!!

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Reply #13 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 6:14pm

Repeal this section too:

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634 Move to area of lower employment prospects

         (1) Subject to subsections (1B) and (2), if, in the opinion of the Secretary, a person has reduced his or her employment prospects by moving to a new place of residence without sufficient reason, a newstart allowance is not payable to the person for 26 weeks.

      (1A) Subsection (1) extends to a person who makes a claim for newstart allowance on or after the day on which the person moved to the new place of residence and before the end of the period referred to in that subsection.

      (1B) If a person to whom a newstart allowance is not payable under subsection (1) for a period of 26 weeks (including that subsection as it applies by subsection (1A)) does either of the following during that period:

                  (a) moves back to the place of residence (the original place of residence) the movement from which resulted in newstart allowance not being payable to him or her;

                  (b) moves to another place of residence a movement to which from the original place of residence would not have resulted in newstart allowance not being payable to him or her;

the period of 26 weeks ends at the time of the movement back to the original place of residence or the movement to the other place of residence, as the case may be.

         (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who:

                  (a) is undertaking an activity specified in an instrument made under subsection (2A); and

                  (b) has been exempted from the application of subsection (1) by the Secretary.

      (2A) The Secretary may, by legislative instrument, specify activities for the purpose of paragraph (2)(a).

         (3) For the purposes of subsection (1), a person has a sufficient reason for moving to a new place of residence if and only if the person:

                  (a) moves to live with a family member who has already established his or her residence in that place of residence; or

                  (b) moves to live near a family member who has already established residence in the same area; or

                  (c) satisfies the Secretary that the move is necessary for the purposes of treating or alleviating a physical disease or illness suffered by the person or by a family member; or

                  (d) satisfies the Secretary that the person has moved from his or her original place of residence because of an extreme circumstance which made it reasonable for the person to move to the new place of residence (for example, the person had been subjected to domestic or family violence in the original place of residence).

Note:       For family member see subsection 23(1).

         (4) The Secretary may determine in writing the day on which the period of non‑payment imposed by subsection (1) commences and that day may be before the day of the determination.

This is ANOTHER SIX MONTH whack that acts as a very strong disincentive to undertake harvest work. This section makes it highly impractical to relocate to an area and then look for work. The ONLY way it's possible to take up work with this section in effect is to get the job and THEN relocate. It is FSCKING STUPID.

And then people wonder why there are regional LABOUR SHORTAGES! There are no labour shortages, there are very, VERY severe constraints on labour mobility. We are governed by STUPIDS!

Try it, repeal sections 633 and 634, and watch the "labour shortages" disappear!

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