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Term Dog Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1727 Gender:	Should strayya be nuclear powered? Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:29pm As in power generation, not bombs. Discuss.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105333 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Should strayya be nuclear powered? Reply #1 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:37pm It would be nice if it could be a Thorium design: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1519823686/0#0 A meltdown is impossible. in fact - at worst case it's walk away safe.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20612 Gordon Gender:	Re: Should strayya be nuclear powered? Reply #2 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:48pm Yes
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Term Dog Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1727 Gender:	Re: Should strayya be nuclear powered? Reply #3 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:53pm Gordon wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:48pm: Yes What about the inviroments etc?
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Reply #4 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:58pm

Put me down for a big fat "NO" our temperament is not compatible with nuclear and there are no safe models currently available and none on the horizon.

Also there is no safe disposal of the waste material.

All in all it is a disaster waiting to happen on several fronts.

Very dangerous and 100% unnecessary for Australia until solutions are found. I suspect a better solution than nuclear will be available well before nuclear is ever a viable option.

In the longer term nuclear will cost more saddle us with unsolvable problems and not supply our requirements.

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Term Dog Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1727 Gender:	Re: Should strayya be nuclear powered? Reply #5 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:06pm What temperament is required to be compatible with nuear power generation? Model for what are you referring to. How is synroc buried in the desert not safe? What disasters are you expecting? Your post seems irrational at best.
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Reply #6 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:06pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:58pm:

Put me down for a big fat "NO" our temperament is not compatible with nuclear and there are no safe models currently available and none on the horizon.

Also there is no safe disposal of the waste material.

All in all it is a disaster waiting to happen on several fronts.

Very dangerous and 100% unnecessary for Australia until solutions are found. I suspect a better solution than nuclear will be available well before nuclear is ever a viable option.

In the longer term nuclear will cost more saddle us with unsolvable problems and not supply our requirements.

Unless we wait for a proven Thorium design.
It could be less than 2 years away.

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Reply #7 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:17pm

Term Dog wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Yes

What about the inviroments etc?

The pollution from coal at the mining and burning stage is far far more environmentally detrimental than nukes.

We have an abundance of the raw material and geologically safe spots to run them.

Most of the anti-nuke squad talk about fukushima, designed in the 1950s, built from 67-71.

Put a Generation IV fast reactor in Syd, Bris, Melb, Perth and power will become cheap and clean grimy faces will never be seen.

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Reply #8 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:58pm:

Put me down for a big fat "NO" our temperament is not compatible with nuclear and there are no safe models currently available and none on the horizon.

Also there is no safe disposal of the waste material.

All in all it is a disaster waiting to happen on several fronts.

Very dangerous and 100% unnecessary for Australia until solutions are found. I suspect a better solution than nuclear will be available well before nuclear is ever a viable option.

In the longer term nuclear will cost more saddle us with unsolvable problems and not supply our requirements.

Unless we wait for a proven Thorium design.
It could be less than 2 years away.

People have been saying that for about 40 years or more.

My view on that is asses it when you see it, my suspicion is it will still be just around the corner in another 40 years.

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Reply #9 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:31pm

Gordon wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:17pm:

Term Dog wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Yes

What about the inviroments etc?

The pollution from coal at the mining and burning stage is far far more environmentally detrimental than nukes.

We have an abundance of the raw material and geologically safe spots to run them.

Most of the anti-nuke squad talk about fukushima, designed in the 1950s, built from 67-71.

Put a Generation IV fast reactor in Syd, Bris, Melb, Perth and power will become cheap and clean grimy faces will never be seen.

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Put a Generation IV fast reactor in Syd, Bris, Melb, Perth and power will become cheap and clean

Rubbish - the only difference is that prices will go up as will profits justified by the cost of investment in the technology.

This things cost around $12 Billion or more a unit and are no basis for reducing the cost of power production in fact guaranteed to do the exact opposite.

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Reply #10 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:34pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:58pm:

Put me down for a big fat "NO" our temperament is not compatible with nuclear and there are no safe models currently available and none on the horizon.

Also there is no safe disposal of the waste material.

All in all it is a disaster waiting to happen on several fronts.

Very dangerous and 100% unnecessary for Australia until solutions are found. I suspect a better solution than nuclear will be available well before nuclear is ever a viable option.

In the longer term nuclear will cost more saddle us with unsolvable problems and not supply our requirements.

Unless we wait for a proven Thorium design.
It could be less than 2 years away.

People have been saying that for about 40 years or more.

My view on that is asses it when you see it, my suspicion is it will still be just around the corner in another 40 years.

Considering that one was actually working in 1965 till 1968
means that they do work.
What is lacking is the political will to have safe, unlimited, cheap power.
We're talking 3 cents per kilowatt hour not
28 cents as most of us pay now.

I suspect that coal & other fossil fuel interests have stopped it.
The world is run by criminals - I'm convinced of that.

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Reply #12 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:53pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:31pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:17pm:

Term Dog wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Yes

What about the inviroments etc?

The pollution from coal at the mining and burning stage is far far more environmentally detrimental than nukes.

We have an abundance of the raw material and geologically safe spots to run them.

Most of the anti-nuke squad talk about fukushima, designed in the 1950s, built from 67-71.

Put a Generation IV fast reactor in Syd, Bris, Melb, Perth and power will become cheap and clean grimy faces will never be seen.

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Put a Generation IV fast reactor in Syd, Bris, Melb, Perth and power will become cheap and clean

Rubbish - the only difference is that prices will go up as will profits justified by the cost of investment in the technology.

This things cost around $12 Billion or more a unit and are no basis for reducing the cost of power production in fact guaranteed to do the exact opposite.

Expensive to build, cheap to run and the Gen IV units will work for a long time. Don't forget to factor in the cost savings of reduced respiratory disease that coal creates.

I'm all for solar as infill but we need power plants that can pump out gobs of power 24/7/.

Please don't be such a nukeophobe. Tsk tsk tsk.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105333 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Should strayya be nuclear powered? Reply #13 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:53pm The half life of Thorium is 14 billion years - as old as the universe. You could have a brick of it on your coffee table and it wouldn't hurt you. It doesn't even dissolve in water.
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Valkie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16142 Central Coast Gender:	Re: Should strayya be nuclear powered? Reply #14 - Oct 27^th, 2018 at 3:36pm As long as the first is built in Canberra right next to parliament house.
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