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Term Dog Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1727 Gender:	Martial arts proven to work the mainstream ignore. Oct 28^th, 2018 at 12:36pm Burmese Phillipno European Sicilian Etc Real "martial" arts that have a complete history that most never know exist because ninjas, kung fu and samurai which are mostly hype and have achieved little except made it to Hollywood. Add to list...
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10975 Australia Gender:	Re: Martial arts proven to work the mainstream ignore. Reply #1 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 1:01pm I love traditional karate-do, Shotokan style. Works every part of your body, it can be many things, like a life style, an art and a very effective self defence tool.
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Reply #2 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 1:22pm

Ajax wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

I love traditional karate-do, Shotokan style.

Works every part of your body, it can be many things, like a life style, an art and a very effective self defence tool.

Only those who are not martial artists believe it is all hype.

I am a black belt only Shodan, I never went further for several reasons.
I fought competitively for 6 years and loved the competition.

But we also trained in what was termed street fighting.
Very different to the controlled martial arts we did.

Street fighting is dirty, mean and has no rules
We wore armor to protect ourselves, because it was mean stuff.

But all that aside, there is something that most non- martial artists don't realise.
Training, going through the moves over and over and over.
Working and training our body and mind to react to our opponents movements.
Muscles, synapses, reflexes and intuition are honed and happen faster than someone who does not do it.

An example is a typist
Anyone can type on a computer
But a good typist can churn out page after page far faster and more accurately than many of us can do.

Is the typist visionary?
Are they masters of the universe?
Are they superior in dexterity?

Not really, it's just that they do it over and over and over until it becomes second nature.

Just as a martial artist does.

We aren't better, we just do it more often until it happens faster.

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Reply #3 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 1:41pm

Hi Valkie,

I too am shodan, as we’ve said many times before there are no hidden secrets in martial arts the only secret is to train and then train again and again and again that is the secret to anything in life really like your typist example.

Anyone who excels in something be it math, footy whatever wasn’t born that way but has the interest to go as far as his or her body and mind will allow them to go.

Traditional karate can push most people to limits they thought could not be possible, it's a great workout for the body and the mind.

Lyoto Machida is a JKA Shotokan karateka and his brother Chinzo runs in the family their father was a JKA instructor who was sent to brazil and married a brazlian woman, still there today.

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Reply #4 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 2:14pm

MMA destroyed thousands of years of mythology re martial arts, karate was one of the first victims bar a few rare stand outs as above but Machida had to learn new non karate stuff to compete.

Biggest problem with karate is the lack of serious contact in competitions and training.

All the repetition in the world that they practice for decades in karate is not efficient way to learn self defence imo. Seriously who has time for that if you need to learn to protect yourself.

When some untrained but aggressive naturally violent person lands a wild random shot to the head of most karate practitioners those thousands of repetitions go out the window and they told.

Also karate is such a mass market factory thing these days old ladies and little children are guaranteed a black belt when they sign up for a program.

My local newspaper has articles every week of some elderly person or 10yo getting a black belt and winning a world title. Good for the participants to do something disciplined and physical but an actual MARTIAL art I think not.

Look at the difference in aggression in Thai fighting V karate, the Thai guy does simple techniques and endures lots of pain in training. Karate is complicated and they never really get beat up in training.

Why Thai is a critical element in UFC and karate isn't.

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Reply #5 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 2:49pm

Everyone has an opinion just like they have an arsehole and that’s fair enough, personally I have tried boxing, jujutsu and taekwondo for a time but traditional karate for me was something else. Not everyone who trains in karate wants to fight and you certainly wouldn’t want to make kids and grannies do full contact that is not allowed anywhere as far as I know.

If someone so young or so old want full contact they can go and do boxing, mma, muay thai and kick boxing.

When a child gets to 18 years of age he or she can choose to do fighting and there is fighting in traditional karate, well depends on the school I agree there are those that only train with no contact which will never give them an indication of what their technique will be like under real pressure and if they do get hit in a street fight might go into the rabbit in a spot light mentality from the shock.

Can you imagine a muay thai stylist never having done full contact….???...same thing.

You can make traditional karate be whatever you want it to be for you, if you want to fight in the style that I did they can accommodate you, you will end up experiencing it when you get to black belt anyway depending upon your age and mentality.

Like I said for most people traditional karate is a great work out for the body and the mind.

Check out the videos on the right, Its Chinzo (Lyoto's brother) Machida using Shotokan karate in the mma.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10975 Australia Gender:	Re: Martial arts proven to work the mainstream ignore. Reply #6 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 3:25pm Hey dude what's a Sicilian martial art....?
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Term Dog Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1727 Gender:	Re: Martial arts proven to work the mainstream ignore. Reply #7 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 3:36pm That's why I started the thread, to encourage you to look. There are several Styles and schools.
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Reply #8 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 3:42pm

Term Dog wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 3:36pm:

That's why I started the thread, to encourage you to look. There are several Styles and schools.

Ok I was having a look after I wrote the last post.

Interesting most martial artists always think of Filipino stick and knife.

Never heard of this before, looks different.

So what martial art do you practice...??

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10975 Australia Gender:	Re: Martial arts proven to work the mainstream ignore. Reply #9 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 3:56pm Ever heard of Ray Floro he's a master of the Fillipino martial arts, attended one of his seminars once, the guy is brilliant with simplicity on overcoming a knife attack and has an abundance of MA knowledge.
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Reply #10 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 4:09pm

Term Dog wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 2:14pm:

MMA destroyed thousands of years of mythology re martial arts, karate was one of the first victims bar a few rare stand outs as above but Machida had to learn new non karate stuff to compete.

Biggest problem with karate is the lack of serious contact in competitions and training.

All the repetition in the world that they practice for decades in karate is not efficient way to learn self defence imo. Seriously who has time for that if you need to learn to protect yourself.

When some untrained but aggressive naturally violent person lands a wild random shot to the head of most karate practitioners those thousands of repetitions go out the window and they told.

Also karate is such a mass market factory thing these days old ladies and little children are guaranteed a black belt when they sign up for a program.

My local newspaper has articles every week of some elderly person or 10yo getting a black belt and winning a world title. Good for the participants to do something disciplined and physical but an actual MARTIAL art I think not.

Look at the difference in aggression in Thai fighting V karate, the Thai guy does simple techniques and endures lots of pain in training. Karate is complicated and they never really get beat up in training.

Why Thai is a critical element in UFC and karate isn't.

The difference between combat sports and traditional ma is conditioning: obviously!

Why the f do people not get this?

Boxing doesn't teach people to walk away....

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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Martial arts proven to work the mainstream ignore. Reply #11 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 4:11pm Ajax wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 3:25pm: Hey dude what's a Sicilian martial art....? That's the one where you brag about your complete joke of a cousin whose aka THE MOUTH OF THE SOUTH!
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10975 Australia Gender:	Re: Martial arts proven to work the mainstream ignore. Reply #12 - Oct 29^th, 2018 at 5:49pm Come on TD what are you training in.....!! Come on spit it out dude..... I think captain caveman does krav maga.
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Reply #13 - Oct 29^th, 2018 at 7:08pm

In Mt Druitt, fighting was almost a life and death thing.
If Death didn't knock, then one copped a real belting to near incapacitation.
No rules, fighting was 'not' a Sport, like Martial Arts.
Fought many a Boxer, Martial Artist in a 'fight'.
They never had the 'intensity' or 'ferocity' to take that fight to that lower level. They were always hamstrung by 'rules' and 'code'. I've even fought a hard, well trained Military Martial Artist and his inability to have his soul reaped from his body in a fight, was his undoing.
The survival instinct projects pure 'reflex' that no 'trained' fighter can attain.
To me, fighting was NEVER a 'sport' or 'profession'.
It was survival.
A 'sported' Fighter to a 'natural' fighter is like comparing a Cop to a Soldier.

...you see, the first 'instinct' of mine is to snap your neck and kill you, if you attack me. Kill you in any way possible - whatever it takes. If I don't kill you - then I incapacitate you asap. Eyes pulled out, tear your carotid out with my teeth or find the first piece of material that can break your bones or rip your flesh.

Fighting for a 'sport', for 'fitness', for ...money???

BAH HUMBUG!

Now this is why I don't like fighting and follow a pacifist way as best I can. The saving grace is that I can 'control' myself and know when to stop, if in a fight. But there is always someone who has to be put away immediately and a broken glass ends their efforts fast for a start.

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Reply #14 - Oct 29^th, 2018 at 7:12pm

The other first major rule is to 'not be afraid of losing ...dying'. Once you accept 'Death' as your saviour...

well, I could pass a cop into a padded cell with a psychotic violent patient and walk out unharmed (when working Medical Industry). You see - there is more to 'violence' fighting than you know. Training can only go so far.

You see. Its the 'australian' way. The already 'beaten' and 'downtrodden' with nothing to lose.

...that's what succeeds the most 'here'. Being #1 or 'the best' only gets you so far.

So easy to make the 'best' black belt over-confident, over-achieve and over-step his own ability. Wink

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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