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Reply #1710 - Oct 23rd, 2021 at 4:09pm
 
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Reply #1711 - Oct 23rd, 2021 at 4:10pm
 
There are far more DGUs than murders


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Americans know that guns take many innocent lives every year, but many don’t know that guns also save them.

On May 15, an attacker at an apartment complex in Fort Smith, Ark., fatally shot a woman & then fired 93 rounds at other people before a man killed him with a bolt-action rifle. Police said he “likely saved a number of lives in the process.”

On June 30, a 12yo. Louisiana boy used a hunting rifle to stop an armed burglar who was threatening his mother’s life during a home invasion.

On July 4, a Chicago gunman shot into a crowd of people, killing one & wounding two others before a concealed-handgun permit holder shot & wounded the attacker. Police praised him for stepping in.

These are just a few of the nearly 1,000 instances reported by the media so far this year in which gun owners have stopped mass shootings & other murderous acts, saving countless lives. & crime experts say such high-profile cases represent only a small fraction of the instances in which guns are used defensively.

Americans who look only at the daily headlines would be surprised to learn that, according to academic estimates, defensive gun uses – including instances when guns are simply shown to deter a crime – are four to five times more common than gun crimes, & far more frequent than the roughly 20,000 murders or fewer each year, with or without a gun. But even when they prevent mass public shootings, defensive uses rarely get national news coverage.

“Nobody who has done their homework on defensive gun use could possibly believe reading news articles accurately captures anything but an infinitesimal share of DGUs,” Tomislav Kovandzic, an associate professor of criminology at the University of Texas at Dallas, told RealClearInvestigations. “The only way to measure defensive gun uses is with surveys. While there is no such thing as a perfect measure of anything, the fact that they consistently show large numbers of defensive gun uses can’t be ignored.”

The Department of Justice’s National Crime Victimization Survey indicates that around 100,000 defensive gun uses occur each year – an estimate that, though it may seem like a lot, is actually much lower than 17 other surveys.

These other surveys screen respondents by asking if they have been threatened with violence (by contrast with the DOJ’s survey, which asks if they have been the victims of a crime). This produces more self-acknowledged defensive gun users, since someone who successfully brandished a gun is less likely to self-characterize as a crime victim. Survey data indicate that in 95% of cases when people use guns defensively, they merely show the gun to make the criminal back off.

Such DGUs rarely make the news, though a few do. In March, a man police described as “armed & dangerous” attempted to rob a home in Smith County, Texas. The homeowner pulled a gun & the intruder “fled away on foot.” The criminal had shot a woman the night before & had previous “outstanding warrants for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon &felon in possession of a firearm.”

In May, in Ogden, Utah, a stranger grabbed an 11-year-old girl on a school playground. An armed teacher ran outside & confronted the suspect, giving the girl the chance to pull away from the attacker. The teacher held the man at gunpoint until police arrived.

“Media stories cannot be trusted to accurately reflect the number or type of defensive gun uses that actually occur,” Professor Gary Mauser of Canada’s Simon Fraser University told RCI. Mauser has conducted national surveys on defensive gun use. “National surveys find that firearms are rarely fired when used to stop a violent attack,” he said. “Such cases are unlikely to be reported to the police, & even less likely to be found in media stories.”

Many leading outfits rely on the Gun Violence Archive to track firearm use. The GVA, however, relies primarily on news reports. Through this unvirtuous circle, the public learns of the most extreme cases, which academic research suggests is actually a fraction of gun uses.

RealClearInvestigations examined Gun Violence Archive data from Jan. 1 to Aug. 10 of this year, & found 774 defensive gun uses, fully 85% involving people shot: 43% resulting in death & 42% percent in wounding. Less than 4% of cases involved no shots fired.

Experts interviewed by RCI said this coverage makes defensive gun uses appear as if they end in fatalities or woundings at much higher rates than they actually do.

Many crimes also go unreported, so it is likely that many defensive gun uses are never known to the police, & thus unknown to the media. Numbers from the Bureau of Justice Statistics show that less than half of violent crime victims report violent crime to police.

But even dramatic cases that get local news coverage – [b]cases in which mass public shootings were prevented
– dont receive national news coverage. The Crime Prevention Research Center has compiled a number of examples over the last year, but many Americans have probably never heard of them since they attracted only local media coverage.


Of 18 surveys reviewed, this study noted the lowest number of DGU's. The highest total was 3 million DGUs
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Reply #1712 - Oct 23rd, 2021 at 4:29pm
 
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Of 18 surveys reviewed, the above survey noted 100,000 DGUs per year, the lowest total number of DGU's in the lot.......about ±275 DGUs per day.

The highest total was 3 million DGUs per year.......±8,200 DGUs per day.

Most of the reviewed surveys were somewhere much higher than 100,000...in the upper-middle & above...closer to the 3 million total number of DGUs.
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Reply #1714 - Oct 23rd, 2021 at 5:42pm
 
The overwhelming majority of gun crime is committed by criminals, NOT by licenced, legal gun owners:



Lawful gun owners commit less than a fifth of all gun crimes, according to a novel analysis released this week by the University of Pittsburgh.

In the study, led by epidemiologist Anthony Fabio of Pittsburgh's Graduate School of Public Health, researchers partnered with the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police to trace the origins of all 893 firearms that police recovered from crime scenes in the year 2008.


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-wha...

Criminals are TOTALLY unaffected by any gun laws. That they are... er... CRIMINALS should be  a give-away but it isn't for the Bwianesque  ijits who will bang on idiotically for the sake of, well,  banging on idiotically.

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Reply #1716 - Oct 31st, 2021 at 12:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23rd, 2021 at 8:45pm:


Only existing American Laws count in America, & here in this thread Bwian, & the  American Constitution's Second Amendment, as defined by the Supreme Court in Heller, determines if & how an American's Right to Keep & Bear Arms can be regulated or not.....not you or any of your ilk......even if they are in a majority......the USA is a Constitutional Republic Bwian.....not a Democracy.  ... ...
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Reply #1718 - Nov 4th, 2021 at 1:41pm
 
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It's Not A Suggestion......It's An Order!


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Reply #1720 - Nov 4th, 2021 at 8:08pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2021 at 5:42pm:
The overwhelming majority of gun crime is committed by criminals, NOT by licenced, legal gun owners:



Lawful gun owners commit less than a fifth of all gun crimes, according to a novel analysis released this week by the University of Pittsburgh.

In the study, led by epidemiologist Anthony Fabio of Pittsburgh's Graduate School of Public Health, researchers partnered with the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police to trace the origins of all 893 firearms that police recovered from crime scenes in the year 2008.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washp...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-wha...

Criminals are TOTALLY unaffected by any gun laws. That they are... er... CRIMINALS should be  a give-away but it isn't for the Bwianesque  ijits who will bang on idiotically for the sake of, well,  banging on idiotically.




Is this before or after they commit the gun crime ?

It would seen that if counted after they commit the crime it would have to be 100% or gun crimes are committed by criminals ?

Suspect that you stat does not mean much of anything.
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Reply #1721 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 12:35pm
 
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Bottom Line......cry all ya want......
We Americans have a Constitutional Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & we will ALWAYS have the Constitutional Right to Keep & Bear Arms.....& there's not a damn thing anyone in the rest of the World that can do a damn thing about it!!


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Reply #1724 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:57pm
 
The USA have the worst record in the world on gun violence.

Pretending that the second amendment somehow protects that as a right is not sustainable.

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