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Reply #450 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:10am

Panther wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 9:12am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 1:49am:

I am neither brainwashed nor am I a "collectivist". I believe that gun ownership is a privilege. The US has gotten it badly wrong by according it the status of a "right". However, that is the US's problem and as we have seen, it has already accepted that it is possible to regulate ownership of some kinds of firearms. All I am suggesting is that it should be extended to semi-automatic firearms, nothing more.
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You just made my point - thank you!

"Benefits and privileges" are what prisoners have. You still have a convict mentality ....... its depressing. Free men and woman living in a free country have freedom and responsibility. Freedom to do what you chose to and responsibility to do no harm to others. We don't need permission - a permit or license. Where as you ask "am I allowed to do ......... and what are the regulations" You have given away your rights to others who probably couldn't run a fruit stand.

So what are you afraid of? Do you think that if people have more freedom - chaos will ensure? That Ozzies are not mature enough to have more freedom? Hmm ... maybe. There is no correlation between regulation and civil chaos.

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"Benefits and privileges" are what prisoners have. You still have a convict mentality ....... its depressing. Free men and woman living in a free country have freedom and responsibility. Freedom to do what you chose to and responsibility to do no harm to others. We don't need permission - a permit or license. Where as you ask "am I allowed to do ......... and what are the regulations" You have given away your rights to others who probably couldn't run a fruit stand.......

Excellent, I couldn't have said it better....I will put that to good use some day when I'm surrounded by a slew of Aussie anti-gunner crocodiles.......http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/chuckle002.gif.......wouldn't ya know it would take a fellow American ta point that out so brilliantly.........

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Thanks Panther but I was born on the North Shore of Sydney and now living permanently in the US.

I have always liked Americas ideals as reflected in the constitution. Sometimes I wish I could return but after reading some of the retarded opinions here - I'm in no hurry! Grin

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Reply #451 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:15am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 9:55am:

"Individually, several studies have found that the presence of a gun in a home elevates the risk of death."

Poll: most Americans say gun ownership increases safety. Research: nope.

"People often think that guns will potentially protect them from a home invader. But these kinds of events are relatively rare (and even then, the presence of a firearm can make it more likely that such a situation will escalate into deadly violence) — while the chances that a gun could be used to fatal ends in a domestic dispute, suicide, or accidental shooting are much higher, as the research on individual risk demonstrates."

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Reply #452 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:32am

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The United States Supreme Court, the highest Court in the United States of America, sometimes known in today's highly Acronymous Society, as SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States), is the final arbiter of all things pertaining to the United States Constitution.

When SCOTUS comes to a decision regarding defining and/or clarifying the United States Constitution....."The Law of the Land".....the decision has the full force of American Law, & it's decisions are not only final, they are not, & can not be, subject to any Appellate Authority in America.

They stand as such until, or better if, a subsequent SCOTUS revisits the particular case(s) decision(s) regarding a Constitutional issue, & re-clarifies the Constitutional meaning, or changes it in some manner or form......at which time that decision would become final, replacing the previous decision(s).

Now, how is this relevant to our discussion?

Bwian posted a statement that said my posting, an image, was incorrect. I chose to post this:

Bwian said that this image was incorrect because it wasn't the Second Amendment in it's entirety......that the first part of the Second Amendment relating to a Militia was missing, & according to him it defined who is permitted to keep & bear firearms......basically what he was saying was, that it wasn't the right of a private citizen, an individual, to keep & bear arms, no, one would have to be part of an organized & disciplined Militia in order to have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms.

Well, if that's what Bwian meant, he is completely incorrect, as decided by the Supreme Court of the United States in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
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That SCOTUS Decision stands as Law, & will stand as such, unless & if, a subsequent SCOTUS decides to the contrary....

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.......The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause.

The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms.

I posted the image of the Operative Clause, which according to the SCOTUS decision, that "......it connotes the individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms....."

This Right to Keep & Bear Arms by an Individual American Citizen does not require the Citizen to be affiliated to....or belong to, in any way, manner, or form, a Militia.

In simpler terms An American Citizen does not have to belong to a Militia to exercise their Constitutional Right to Keep & Bear Arms for the purposes of self-defense, sporting activities,......etc....etc....

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Reply #453 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:34am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 9:55am:

"Individually, several studies have found that the presence of a gun in a home elevates the risk of death."

Poll: most Americans say gun ownership increases safety. Research: nope.

"People often think that guns will potentially protect them from a home invader. But these kinds of events are relatively rare (and even then, the presence of a firearm can make it more likely that such a situation will escalate into deadly violence) — while the chances that a gun could be used to fatal ends in a domestic dispute, suicide, or accidental shooting are much higher, as the research on individual risk demonstrates."

"This is true on a collective level as well: After controlling for other factors, higher levels of gun ownership are associated with higher levels of gun violence. Based on the research, this is one of the key reasons the US has much higher levels of gun violence than its developed peers."

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Reply #454 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:34am

Richdude wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:10am:

Thanks Panther but I was born on the North Shore of Sydney and now living permanently in the US.

I have always liked Americas ideals as reflected in the constitution. Sometimes I wish I could return but after reading some of the retarded opinions here - I'm in no hurry! Grin

Why am I not surprised by this ?

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Reply #455 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:54am

Richdude wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:10am:

.........Thanks Panther but I was born on the North Shore of Sydney and now living permanently in the US.

I have always liked Americas ideals as reflected in the constitution. Sometimes I wish I could return but after reading some of the retarded opinions here - I'm in no hurry! Grin

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Well, I stand honorably corrected, but for all intents & purposes, being a permanent resident in the Land of my Birth is as close to being an American Citizen as you can get without having formally becoming one......

I, if you don't mind, regardless of formalities, I would like to consider you as my Australian-American friend........& you will always be welcome in 'our' home......yours permanently by choice, & mine forever by birth & loyalty.............Enjoy your Freedom!!

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Reply #456 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 7:59pm

Richdude wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 1:49am:

I am neither brainwashed nor am I a "collectivist". I believe that gun ownership is a privilege. The US has gotten it badly wrong by according it the status of a "right". However, that is the US's problem and as we have seen, it has already accepted that it is possible to regulate ownership of some kinds of firearms. All I am suggesting is that it should be extended to semi-automatic firearms, nothing more.
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You just made my point - thank you!

"Benefits and privileges" are what prisoners have. You still have a convict mentality ....... its depressing. Free men and woman living in a free country have freedom and responsibility. Freedom to do what you chose to and responsibility to do no harm to others. We don't need permission - a permit or license. Where as you ask "am I allowed to do ......... and what are the regulations" You have given away your rights to others who probably couldn't run a fruit stand.

So what are you afraid of? Do you think that if people have more freedom - chaos will ensure? That Ozzies are not mature enough to have more freedom? Hmm ... maybe. There is no correlation between regulation and civil chaos.

I am afraid of fools and gun nuts who believe more guns means increased safety when in reality, what it means is increased risk. Risk that some idiot will misuse their legally purchased firearms to kill innocent people simply because they are the ones who the gun nut dislikes. Be they children or Muslims or Black people or Gay people or anybody who pisses the gun nut off. I am afraid of fools and gun nuts who refuse to use their firearms safely. I am afraid of kids who get a hold of their parent's guns and shot one another. Richdude, you're welcome to live in your Wild West society but I am also welcome to tell you that it is a Wild West society and that your fellow Americans are fools and gun nuts. Now, please, run along.

Oh, yes, please stop misquoting your favourite amendment to your Constitution the way that all you gun nuts do... Roll Eyes

Finally, stop stereotyping me as a "Communist/Socialist/Convict." I am none of those things in the way you use them. If you continue to do it, you might find yourself being sorry for doing it. Roll Eyes

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Reply #457 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 7:59pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 1:49am:

I am neither brainwashed nor am I a "collectivist". I believe that gun ownership is a privilege. The US has gotten it badly wrong by according it the status of a "right". However, that is the US's problem and as we have seen, it has already accepted that it is possible to regulate ownership of some kinds of firearms. All I am suggesting is that it should be extended to semi-automatic firearms, nothing more.
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You just made my point - thank you!

"Benefits and privileges" are what prisoners have. You still have a convict mentality ....... its depressing. Free men and woman living in a free country have freedom and responsibility. Freedom to do what you chose to and responsibility to do no harm to others. We don't need permission - a permit or license. Where as you ask "am I allowed to do ......... and what are the regulations" You have given away your rights to others who probably couldn't run a fruit stand.

So what are you afraid of? Do you think that if people have more freedom - chaos will ensure? That Ozzies are not mature enough to have more freedom? Hmm ... maybe. There is no correlation between regulation and civil chaos.

I am afraid of fools and gun nuts who believe more guns means increased safety when in reality,

what it means is increased risk. Risk that some idiot will misuse their legally purchased firearms to kill innocent people simply because they are the ones who the gun nut dislikes.

Be they children or Muslims or Black people or Gay people or anybody who pisses the gun nut off. I am afraid of fools and gun nuts who refuse to use their firearms safely. I am afraid of kids who get a hold of their parent's guns & shot one another. Richdude, you're welcome to live in your Wild West society but I am also welcome to tell you that it is a Wild West society and that your fellow Americans are fools and gun nuts. Now, please, run along.

Oh, yes, please stop misquoting your favourite amendment to your Constitution the way that all you gun nuts do... Roll Eyes

Finally, stop stereotyping me as a "Communist/Socialist/Convict." I am none of those things in the way you use them. If you continue to do it, you might find yourself being sorry for doing it.

Americans have been taking risks far more than their closest rivals......that's why as the total package they lead the World. Their overall entrepreneurship is second to none, enabling a continual sustained economic supremacy. This is also born out why the United States is far and away the most popular destination for the world’s immigrants.

With more than 46.6 million foreign-born residents living in the U.S., the country has nearly four times as many immigrants as any other nation in the world.

The attraction to the United States is largely due to opportunity - economic and social.

The U.S. is the world’s largest economy & has one the highest per capita GDPs in the world.

The U. S. also offers a well-developed infrastructure, financial markets, a solid education system, & religious freedoms.

Among the list of superlatives, making America so attractive to informed immigrants, is the fact that America is so well known for it's Freedoms, through which the American People enjoy an extremely high level of Liberty......

Legitimate Freedoms, Freedoms that are not granted by government, a government capable of taking them away at will & at any time......always at risk......Freedoms that are guaranteed them by the American People themselves in their Constitution's "Bill of Rights", where it's the American People who dictate to the Government.....not the other way around........the American People dictate what the Government is permitted to do, what limited powers the government actually has, & specifically what the Government is not permitted to do regarding the People's individual & collective Freedoms & Liberties.

The American People, the Founding Fathers, in devising the Second Amendment, affirms that all law abiding Americans have the Natural Right to defend their lives, the lives of their friends & family, & the Right to protect their property.....keep what is theirs.....out of the government's hands as well as out of criminal hands.

The Founding Fathers made very sure that all the Rights affirmed, defended, & guaranteed in the Bill of Rights......the bedrock of the US Constitution.....could be protected from government overreach & tyranny, by affirming the Individual Right of the American People to Keep & Bear Arms, & that the government is not permitted to infringe upon that Right.

In America the Right to Keep & Bear Arms is truly a Right, a Right not granted by the government, & far, far away from being a Privilege that the government is free to rescind at it's whim, at any time.

It is with this Right that the American People are able to Protect & Defend all the other Rights contained within the Bill of Rights, & many other Rights that are Naturally theirs......

This is just some of what makes America Great, & why far & away America is the most popular destination for the world’s immigrants, & why they choose America as the #1 place they'd prefer to reside.

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Reply #458 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:49pm

Panther wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:54am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:10am:

.........Thanks Panther but I was born on the North Shore of Sydney and now living permanently in the US.

I have always liked Americas ideals as reflected in the constitution. Sometimes I wish I could return but after reading some of the retarded opinions here - I'm in no hurry! Grin

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Well, I stand honorably corrected, but for all intents & purposes, being a permanent resident in the Land of my Birth is as close to being an American Citizen as you can get without having formally becoming one......

I, if you don't mind, regardless of formalities, I would like to consider you as my Australian-American friend........& you will always be welcome in 'our' home......yours permanently by choice, & mine forever by birth & loyalty.............Enjoy your Freedom!!

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Thank you Panther. The same generosity applies to you if you are ever in the SE.

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Reply #459 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 12:13am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 7:59pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 1:49am:

I am neither brainwashed nor am I a "collectivist". I believe that gun ownership is a privilege. The US has gotten it badly wrong by according it the status of a "right". However, that is the US's problem and as we have seen, it has already accepted that it is possible to regulate ownership of some kinds of firearms. All I am suggesting is that it should be extended to semi-automatic firearms, nothing more.
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You just made my point - thank you!

"Benefits and privileges" are what prisoners have. You still have a convict mentality ....... its depressing. Free men and woman living in a free country have freedom and responsibility. Freedom to do what you chose to and responsibility to do no harm to others. We don't need permission - a permit or license. Where as you ask "am I allowed to do ......... and what are the regulations" You have given away your rights to others who probably couldn't run a fruit stand.

So what are you afraid of? Do you think that if people have more freedom - chaos will ensure? That Ozzies are not mature enough to have more freedom? Hmm ... maybe. There is no correlation between regulation and civil chaos.

I am afraid of fools and gun nuts who believe more guns means increased safety when in reality, what it means is increased risk. Risk that some idiot will misuse their legally purchased firearms to kill innocent people simply because they are the ones who the gun nut dislikes. Be they children or Muslims or Black people or Gay people or anybody who pisses the gun nut off. I am afraid of fools and gun nuts who refuse to use their firearms safely. I am afraid of kids who get a hold of their parent's guns and shot one another. Richdude, you're welcome to live in your Wild West society but I am also welcome to tell you that it is a Wild West society and that your fellow Americans are fools and gun nuts. Now, please, run along.

Oh, yes, please stop misquoting your favourite amendment to your Constitution the way that all you gun nuts do... Roll Eyes

Finally, stop stereotyping me as a "Communist/Socialist/Convict." I am none of those things in the way you use them. If you continue to do it, you might find yourself being sorry for doing it. Roll Eyes

Life is risky Brian - no one survives but its how you live thats important.

I saw a motorcycle for private sale - the sign said "freedom is knowing that its there". Its about having a choice and not having an imposed system of control by those that want to control. Do you like being controlled Brian? Serious question because I certainly don't but thats just me.

Until we can find a method to prevent those 2% psychos from having guns, knives, vehicles, anthrax ....... its something that we will have to live with.

BTW: I don't live in the 'Wild West" - far from it - its very civilized here. EG all traffic stops for a family of ducks to cross the highway - does that happen in Oz?

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Reply #461 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 10:01am

Richdude wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 12:38am:

Brian here is a video about NZ's gun confiscation. Gov thuggery and turning ordinary people into criminals - no due process, no Jury, just "their" opinion. Thats tyranny!

Enjoy!

Don't give up your guns to a bunch of fascist thugs like your bed wetting simpletons across the Tasman did.

Historically, registration always precedes confiscation. The Primary reason a National Firearms Database is illegal in America. They can't confiscate what they can't find......& have no idea who owns what they can't find.

± 350,000,000 firearms, & less than 2% are recorded/registered anywhere........firearms won't be going anywhere in America, regardless of how many deaths are attributable to using firearms illegally. The American People will not trade away their precious 2^nd Amendment RIGHT on a promise of some unknown/unreliable source of security.

Congress, & those who write criminal law, can't protect Americans from violent criminal activity when a violent crime is being committed, & Police have been ruled to having 'no duty to protect' Americans from violent crime (see Warren v. District of Columbia and DeShaney v. Winnebago County just for starters).

Therefore, each & every American is responsible for their own personal protection & security......their own self-defense......

Americans are their own "first responders".

Americans must never abdicate their vital responsibility, even in the face of all the false political promises of security & protection.

The Right to Keep & Bear Arms allows law-abiding citizens to exercise their fundamental right of self-protection, in the manner that best suits their needs.

Americans will never relinquish their Right to Self-Defense, & their Constitutional Right to use firearms as their weapon of choice for self-defense, as noted by the US Supreme Court.

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Reply #462 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 3:53pm

Panther wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 7:59pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 1:49am:

I am neither brainwashed nor am I a "collectivist". I believe that gun ownership is a privilege. The US has gotten it badly wrong by according it the status of a "right". However, that is the US's problem and as we have seen, it has already accepted that it is possible to regulate ownership of some kinds of firearms. All I am suggesting is that it should be extended to semi-automatic firearms, nothing more.
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You just made my point - thank you!

"Benefits and privileges" are what prisoners have. You still have a convict mentality ....... its depressing. Free men and woman living in a free country have freedom and responsibility. Freedom to do what you chose to and responsibility to do no harm to others. We don't need permission - a permit or license. Where as you ask "am I allowed to do ......... and what are the regulations" You have given away your rights to others who probably couldn't run a fruit stand.

So what are you afraid of? Do you think that if people have more freedom - chaos will ensure? That Ozzies are not mature enough to have more freedom? Hmm ... maybe. There is no correlation between regulation and civil chaos.

I am afraid of fools and gun nuts who believe more guns means increased safety when in reality, what it means is increased risk. Risk that some idiot will misuse their legally purchased firearms to kill innocent people simply because they are the ones who the gun nut dislikes. [/highlight] Be they children or Muslims or Black people or Gay people or anybody who pisses the gun nut off. I am afraid of fools and gun nuts who refuse to use their firearms safely. I am afraid of kids who get a hold of their parent's guns & shot one another. Richdude, you're welcome to live in your Wild West society but I am also welcome to tell you that it is a Wild West society and that your fellow Americans are fools and gun nuts. Now, please, run along.

Oh, yes, please stop misquoting your favourite amendment to your Constitution the way that all you gun nuts do... Roll Eyes

Finally, stop stereotyping me as a "Communist/Socialist/Convict." I am none of those things in the way you use them. If you continue to do it, you might find yourself being sorry for doing it. Roll Eyes

Americans have been taking risks far more than their closest rivals......that's why as the total package they lead the World. Their overall entrepreneurship is second to none, enabling a continual sustained economic supremacy. This is also born out why the United States is far and away the most popular destination for the world’s immigrants.

No one cares about the supposed entrepreneurship of Americans, Panther. What worries people is that gun nuts like the NRA and you, refuse to acknowledge that guns are dangerous. They are doubly dangerous if left in the hands of fools who believe the only way to settle a personal argument is to use a gun. People worry that the American disease will spread and attack other societies like a cancer.

Australia has decided to put a stop to the NRA style of lunacy, yet the NRA tries it's best to undermine a democratically elected Government's decision. It gives money to lunatics and fools, to the gun nuts to campaign against the UFL, which was introduced after the Port Arthur and other massacres. Time for the NRA to respect the sovereignty of other nations. The US Constitution does not apply anywhere other than the USA - thank goodness! Roll Eyes

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Reply #463 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 3:56pm

Richdude wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 12:38am:

Brian here is a video about NZ's gun confiscation. Gov thuggery and turning ordinary people into criminals - no due process, no Jury, just "their" opinion. Thats tyranny!

Enjoy!

Don't give up your guns to a bunch of fascist thugs like your bed wetting simpletons across the Tasman did.

Boring, rightwing gun nuttery. The Kiwi Government was elected by the New Zealand people. It is up to the people to decide if the New Zealand Government is right or wrong.

What's the betting the NZLP gets re-elected at the next election, Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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Reply #464 - Apr 11^th, 2019 at 12:13am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 3:56pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 12:38am:

Brian here is a video about NZ's gun confiscation. Gov thuggery and turning ordinary people into criminals - no due process, no Jury, just "their" opinion. Thats tyranny!

Enjoy!

Don't give up your guns to a bunch of fascist thugs like your bed wetting simpletons across the Tasman did.

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Boring, rightwing gun nuttery. The Kiwi Government was elected by the New Zealand people. It is up to the people to decide if the New Zealand Government is right or wrong.

What's the betting the NZLP gets re-elected at the next election, Mmmm? Roll Eyes

To do the will of the people. Not to threaten, intimidate and punish those that will not consent.

The media will never mention that their Government legislation will make criminals of a large section of law abiding citizens.

If NZ is a democracy there should be a referendum on the issue. But of course there won't be because by the time a referendum can be taken heads would have cooled and the Christchurch shootings will be a memory. The referendum would fail!

This drive to ban guns is World wide. Part of the UN's Agenda 21, along with preventing CO2 emissions and cows farting. A New World Order - this is the real insanity. Who voted for these crazies? Don't believe me - check it out.

https://patriotsdefensecorps.weebly.com/the-un-gun-control-and-agenda-21.html

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