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Reply #480 - Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:05pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 1:19pm:
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 More propaganda, hey, Panther?  Never any substance from you.  Tsk, tsk, don't know why you bother posting here, I really don't.   You're an American living in exile from America.  Why?  Did you murder someone?
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Reply #481 - Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:27pm
 
Panther wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 1:19pm:
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More propaganda, hey, Panther?  Never any substance from you.  Tsk, tsk, don't know why you bother posting here, I really don't.   You're an American living in exile from America.  Why?  Did you murder someone?   


Roll Eyes  American living in Exile?...... 

Roll Eyes  Murder someone?.......


Here's your chance to explain why you're not living in the heaven that you believe the US to be, Panther.

So, are you or are you not, an American living Australia, Panther?

If you are an Australian, how can you swear allegiance to a foreign flag every day, as you've described doing in the past.

If you're an American, why are you living in exile in Australia?

Serious questions which require serious answers, Panther...    Roll Eyes

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Reply #482 - Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:44pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:27pm:
Panther wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 1:19pm:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

More propaganda, hey, Panther?  Never any substance from you.  Tsk, tsk, don't know why you bother posting here, I really don't.   You're an American living in exile from America.  Why?  Did you murder someone?   


Roll Eyes  American living in Exile?...... 

Roll Eyes  Murder someone?.......


Here's your chance to explain why you're not living in the heaven that you believe the US to be, Panther.

So, are you or are you not, an American living Australia, Panther?

If you are an Australian, how can you swear allegiance to a foreign flag every day, as you've described doing in the past.

If you're an American, why are you living in exile in Australia?

Serious questions which require serious answers, Panther...    Roll Eyes



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Reply #483 - Apr 14th, 2019 at 8:29pm
 
Panther wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:27pm:
Panther wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 1:19pm:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

More propaganda, hey, Panther?  Never any substance from you.  Tsk, tsk, don't know why you bother posting here, I really don't.   You're an American living in exile from America.  Why?  Did you murder someone?   


Roll Eyes  American living in Exile?...... 

Roll Eyes  Murder someone?.......


Here's your chance to explain why you're not living in the heaven that you believe the US to be, Panther.

So, are you or are you not, an American living Australia, Panther?

If you are an Australian, how can you swear allegiance to a foreign flag every day, as you've described doing in the past.

If you're an American, why are you living in exile in Australia?

Serious questions which require serious answers, Panther...    Roll Eyes



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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like I'll stick with the murder story until you disabuse me of it, then, hey, Panther?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #484 - Apr 14th, 2019 at 10:18pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:27pm:
Panther wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 1:19pm:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

More propaganda, hey, Panther?  Never any substance from you.  Tsk, tsk, don't know why you bother posting here, I really don't.   You're an American living in exile from America.  Why?  Did you murder someone?   


Roll Eyes  American living in Exile?...... 

Roll Eyes  Murder someone?.......


Here's your chance to explain why you're not living in the heaven that you believe the US to be, Panther.

So, are you or are you not, an American living Australia, Panther?

If you are an Australian, how can you swear allegiance to a foreign flag every day, as you've described doing in the past.

If you're an American, why are you living in exile in Australia?

Serious questions which require serious answers, Panther...    Roll Eyes


Brian why do you  undermine the freedoms that 10s of thousands of Australians gave their lives for in many wars? Wasn't that about freedom to do whatever without harming anyone else?

Yet you are happy to step on these noble ideas without regard to others that have paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Where's your shame?


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Reply #485 - Apr 15th, 2019 at 7:30pm
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 10:18pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:27pm:
Panther wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 5:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2019 at 1:19pm:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

More propaganda, hey, Panther?  Never any substance from you.  Tsk, tsk, don't know why you bother posting here, I really don't.   You're an American living in exile from America.  Why?  Did you murder someone?   


Roll Eyes  American living in Exile?...... 

Roll Eyes  Murder someone?.......


Here's your chance to explain why you're not living in the heaven that you believe the US to be, Panther.

So, are you or are you not, an American living Australia, Panther?

If you are an Australian, how can you swear allegiance to a foreign flag every day, as you've described doing in the past.

If you're an American, why are you living in exile in Australia?

Serious questions which require serious answers, Panther...    Roll Eyes


Brian why do you  undermine the freedoms that 10s of thousands of Australians gave their lives for in many wars? Wasn't that about freedom to do whatever without harming anyone else?

Yet you are happy to step on these noble ideas without regard to others that have paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Where's your shame?


I have no shame, Richdude.  I am doing nothing wrong.

You appear not to understand what the victorious allies that died, gave their lives for, Richdude.   It wasn't to preserve the status quo, it was to preserve the chance for future generations to have a choice in their own direction, without interference from the Axis forces which they were fighting.  We are not Americans, we are Australians and Australia is a sovereign independent state.   We make our own laws, in our own democratically elected Parliament, according to our Constitution, not the US Constitution.

Australians have overwhelming chosen to enforce regulation on the ownership of firearms.  That was OUR choice.  It was undertaken by the democratically elected Government of Australia in response to the problems caused by poorly controlled access to semi-automatic longarms and pump-action shotguns and pistols of all kinds.  I think it is time you realised you're on a losing wicket mate.  You have no hope downunder.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

The recent furor caused by the PHONies (Pauline Hanson One Nation Party) and it's underlies who went to the US to seek funds and help from the NRA has demonstrated that Australians don't want ownership to be seen as a "right".  Downunder, it is a privilege, just as it is in most other countries.   Only in the US is it seen as a "right".   Something I have never denied, BTW.   All I want is for Americans to regulate ownership of firearms, of all kinds, to make it harder for loons and fools from getting their hands on powerful weapons which they use to kill large numbers of people.   I would have thought that everybody could see that as sensible.   It is not about banning firearms but regulating who can own them and under what conditions they can be owned.   It is not about "tyranny", it is about sensible politics in the 21st century, not the 18th.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Reply #486 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 9:41am
 
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Strict Gun-control Will Never Work in America



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Following the tragic shooting in Las Vegas, anti-gun activists have once again started to call for much stricter gun-control measures, which they say will keep Americans safer. Some have even suggested the Second Amendment should be altered or abolished.

Although many who want the government to impose harsh gun laws have their hearts in the right place, the evidence clearly shows gun-control laws don’t work, and even if they did, they could never realistically be enforced nationwide.

Gun-control advocates say that if laws made it much more difficult to purchase firearms and if more firearms were banned, people would be safer. But based on state-level crime data, this claim is obviously false.

For instance, many of the states with the lowest crime rates, including homicide rates, also have some of the fewest limits on gun ownership. In fact, the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a group that supports enhancing gun-control laws, gave in its recent gun-control report card “F” grades (for having lax gun laws) to five of the six states that have the lowest homicide rates. If having fewer gun restrictions causes more violent crime, why would many states with the lowest homicide rates also have relatively few gun-control laws?

The data also show there is no connection to higher gun ownership rates and greater amounts of crime. There are only six states in which 50 percent of the households own firearms: Alaska, Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, West Virginia and Wyoming. If gun-control supporters are correct about the dangers of firearms, these states should have significantly higher crime rates, but the opposite is true here as well. Data provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show four of those six states ranked in the top half of all states for having the lowest homicide rates. Two of the states, Idaho and Wyoming, ranked in the top six.

Further, many cities with very low legal gun ownership rates and stringent gun-control laws, such as Chicago, have extremely high gun-related murder rates.

Gun-control laws also don’t prevent mass shootings.

Even if it could be proven gun control does prevent violent crime from occurring, enforcing sweeping gun-control legislation in the United States would be virtually impossible. There are more than 270 million guns in America, and in 29 states, at least one-third of the households own guns. How would law-enforcement officials remove tens of millions of newly banned weapons, or even know for sure who owns them? Would police be expected to go door-to-door to conduct raids in suspected gun owners’ homes?

In other countries with strict gun laws, lawmakers have attempted to implement buyback programs that offer cash for people who turn in banned weapons to government agents. This has little hope of working in the United States, though, where most gun owners want to keep their firearms.

However, even if this were to be effective, how would the government stop newly illegal guns from flooding into the country across America’s massive, largely unguarded borders?

A study published in 2013 by the Trans-Border Institute and Igarape Institute estimates an average of 253,000 firearms cross the U.S.-Mexico border every year. Earlier in 2017, the Canadian government reported it believes there are greater than 1 million prohibited guns in its country, and Canadian officials believe most of the firearms were brought there from the United States.

These figures prove that without massive border-security improvements — which, ironically, most gun-control advocates oppose — there’s no way a substantial reduction in guns could ever occur.

It’s also important to note that relative to other problems in our society of 320 million people, gun-related crime caused by Americans who legally own a firearm involved in the crime is virtually nonexistent.
Of the 33,000 gun-related deaths that occur each year, two-thirds are suicides, and the majority of the remaining 11,000 deaths are gang-related and involve guns that were purchased illegally.


By contrast, 88,000 people die every year from alcohol-linked causes. That means if you exclude suicides, alcohol is 650 percent deadlier than guns (including gang-related crime), and virtually no one is calling for another Prohibition, which, it’s worth pointing out, was a complete disaster.

Instead of penalizing law-abiding gun owners, who use their firearms to save thousands of people every year, lawmakers should work to reduce crime by improving economic growth and providing additional educational opportunities — proven methods for limiting crime.




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Reply #487 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 10:26am
 
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What Would Happen If the US Applied a Gun Amnesty?



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After Stephen Paddock killed 58 people in Las Vegas and wounded more than 400, another unfortunate mass shooting in the US has yet again brought the ever-important point to moot: if there needs to be tighter gun control laws imposed in the US, and what could be done.

And even though homicide rates have massively declined since 1960, the US still sees a mass shooting more often than you would expect* where one major mass shooting occurs every two months.

Talks are amidst, with reports suggesting that senators are considering banning bump stocks (the device allowing Paddock to convert his semiautomatic rifles into an automatic fire) and halting the bill which will make it easier for Americans to buy gun silencers; but even though more than one person a day dies due to gun violence in the US[i], Trump quietly revoked Obama’s bill and blocked the Social Security Administration from reporting mentally impaired recipients to a national background-check database.

US civilians own 270 million to 310 million firearms, resulting in around 35% to 42% of US households owning at least one gun[1] [2], making them the country which has the highest rate of civilian guns and they were not cutting it close: in second place was Yemen (with 55 guns per 100 civilians, where the US have approximately 90 for every 100 civilians)[3]. Of course, this also means they have the highest rate of mass shootings. But what can be done?



Get Rid of Guns

What have other countries done to tackle mass shootings? After the 1996 mass shooting in Dunblane which killed 16 young children and a school teacher, the UK [eventually] banned all private hand guns, imposed detailed background checks on gun owners prior to the ban being lawfully imposed and the Government also compensated gun owners; since then, there has only been one mass shooting in the UK.

Post the Port Arthur Massacre, Australia also followed suit, implementing tighter restrictions by banning automatic and semiautomatic firearms, adopting new licensing requirements, and applying a 28-day waiting period for gun purchases. After significantly rising tax, more than 600,000 civilian-owned firearms were bought and destroyed. Since then, no massacres on such a scale have occurred.

Sounds like an easy solution: tighter gun laws and restrictions. An amnesty of guns, albeit a big, costly job, has proven to lessen such tragic events, and so all proponents of tighter gun laws can collectively internally scream as we bang our heads against the walls Trump wishes to build; and we scream: why can’t the US learn from all this?

It is not as simple as it sounds. Firstly, as aforementioned, the US has a lot of guns and a lot of civilians owning these guns. Not only would gaining control over firearms pose quite a challenge, but a huge uproar. Que the: “We have the right to protect ourselves” statements and the fact that the Australian amnesty cost tax-payers [all together] half a billion dollars, which would be a fraction of the cost the US’ attempt of retaining guns, and we can see why an amnesty seem less realistic for the land of the free.

The US is also unique in the sense that they have a Bill stating they have a right to be able to self-defend themselves and citizens are attached to these rights, allowing them to justify their need for guns; so, what if their rights were changed?



Can they change the Second Amendment?


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state
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the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.



We need not delve into this too deep as it has been debated time and time again. President Trump has made it evidently clear he is a true follower of the Second Amendment and whilst throughout his campaign he would shun Hillary Clinton for threatening to take away citizens’ rights for protection and freedom, we can all silently acknowledge the fact that the NRA endorsed him during his campaign, as they do with 98% of Republicans[4]. To all those that argue this is not a strong enough argument, lest we forget when Trump supported Obama’s remarks, before the hefty endorsement given by his pals at the NRA, for a reformation of the law after the tragic Sandy Hook massacre[5]; “President Obama spoke for me and every American”, Trump said, yet his speech post the Las Vegas shooting was nowhere near such remarks, because his words are now funded by the organisation behind the weaponry used.

The fact is that if opinion does not change, then neither will the Second Amendment; 74% of gun owners say that there is an ‘essential’ right to own a gun[6], while Pew Surveys reveal that gun owners are more likely to contact officials about gun policies, with 60% of these supporting laxer laws[7]........
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Mix these strong opinions for relaxed gun laws alongside the fact there is no real, solid opposing organisation against the NRA and we realise we are driving in circles around a one-way street. To add fire to fury, changes in gun laws previously made have cost millions of dollars and were not enforced enough to have a visible effect, posing the question to their citizens to why the US even bothered to try.

This brings us to our concluding, yet vital point: “buying back” guns is not really much of an option as it is the government that will need to confiscate millions of firearms. Now if the government is endorsed by the organisation supporting guns and previous restrictions have failed, this is likely to as well. The UK and Australia’s ‘buying back guns’ programme, almost bribing those with weaponry for the exchange of money and anonymity to avoid prosecution of having illegal firearms, only worked for two reasons: the government thoroughly enforced it and the law did not state any right for citizens to bear arms.

Changing legislation will not only take months, but it also seems like an impossible dream, and if
the citizens strongly support their rights to bear arms, they won’t be handing in their weapons so easily
; in fact, it could even cause an uproar resulting in civil war, with police forcing citizens to drop their weapons.  Grin

It is a tough one to get around, and whilst speculators around the globe shout: “Do something about this”, it almost feels like a puzzle which will never be solved.





FACT: The Police are American Citizens...........They have Sworn an OATH to defend the Constitution.........above all else...........& many/most of the Police/Sheriffs across the US ( outside of urban areas....NYC, Chicago, LA...etc..) are beholden to the will of the American People.....they are elected by the American People, not hired by the government.

Many of them are on record that they will refuse to enforce Laws that they believe are in conflict with their sworn OATH......laws that they believe are Unconstitutional......laws that deprive their fellow Americans their God Given Right to Self-Defense!

Oh, & before I forget, most Law Enforcement Officers, regardless of where they work or live,  many also own personal firearms, many including semi-automatics....& yes...including AR-15s, & many of them belong to gun clubs & the
NRA
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Reply #489 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 1:41pm
 
A well regulated Militia,
being necessary to the security of
a free State,
the right of the people to keep and
bear Arms,
shall not be infringed.


Why do you continually lie, Panther by misquoting the US 2nd Amendment all the time?  Why do you refuse to quote it in full?  Could it be because you dislike the idea of having people read it in it's entirety and realise that for you to be accorded the right to arm and keep bears, you need to be a member of a "well regulated Militia"?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out lying one again, hey, Panther?   Roll Eyes

So, who did you murder in the US, Mmmm?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #490 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 3:08pm
 
The biggest laugh is that Panther and others like him could ever be part of a well regulated militia.
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The biggest laugh is that Panther and others like him could ever be part of a well regulated militia.


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Reply #493 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 5:42pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 1:41pm:
A well regulated Militia,
being necessary to the security of
a free State,
the right of the people to keep and
bear Arms,
shall not be infringed.


Why do you continually lie, Panther by misquoting the US 2nd Amendment all the time?
  Why do you refuse to quote it in full?  Could it be because you dislike the idea of having people read it in it's entirety and realise that for you to be accorded the right to arm and keep bears, you need to be a member of a "well regulated Militia"? 
 Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out lying one again, hey, Panther?   


So, who did you murder in the US, Mmmm?
   



There are two clauses that comprise the Second Amendment, an OPERATIVE CLAUSE, and a PREFATORY CLAUSE.


Operative Clause:
"The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The operative clause is the actual protected right; kind of the 'meat and potatoes.'

The Supreme Court wrote:

"1. Operative Clause. a. 'Right of the People.' [used 3 times in Bill of Rights] ... All three of these instances unambiguously refer to individual rights, not 'collective' rights, or rights that may be exercised only through participation in some corporate body." .

Prefatory Clause: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State."

The prefatory clause is the lead-in that "announces a purpose" for the operative clause. 

The Supreme Court stated: "The Amendment's prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause's text and history demonstrate that it connotes an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT to Keep and Bear Arms".


The Supreme Court also stated: "The Amendment could be rephrased,  'BECAUSE a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.' "

Your desire for it to mean otherwise Bwian is noted, but your desire will always be completely immaterial regarding America's Law of the Land.......

When attempting to understand the United States Constitution, you must investigate the original intentions of the Framers who wrote the Constitution, & research related documentation from the 18th Century specific to the Constitutional debates.

Applying modern day logic & definitions Bwian, you will ALWAYS lead yourself down the wrong path.

When defining the meaning of the US Constitution's Second Amendment, the Supreme Court's Heller decision, stating the above, is final, & can't be appealed.........it is what it is.......the Law of the Land......




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The Right Within the Second Amendment.



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Reply #494 - Apr 16th, 2019 at 6:09pm
 
Panther wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 5:42pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 1:41pm:
A well regulated Militia,
being necessary to the security of
a free State,
the right of the people to keep and
bear Arms,
shall not be infringed.


Why do you continually lie, Panther by misquoting the US 2nd Amendment all the time?  Why do you refuse to quote it in full?  Could it be because you dislike the idea of having people read it in it's entirety and realise that for you to be accorded the right to arm and keep bears, you need to be a member of a "well regulated Militia"?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out lying one again, hey, Panther?

So, who did you murder in the US, Mmmm?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


There are two clauses that comprise the Second Amendment,


No, there is only one clause, Panther.  So why do you only quote part of it, Panther?

So, who did you murder before you fled the US to live in exile downunder, Panther?   Was it your mother?  Did she take away your toy guns or something?  We really want all the Goss...   Roll Eyes


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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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