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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30150 Gender:	Sex offenders register could become a reality ! Jan 9^th, 2019 at 10:40am Is there anyone on this forum that should be worried ? LOL
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Re: Sex offenders register could become a reality !
Reply #1 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 10:45am

It's a tricky one.

On the one hand, you would like to keep children safe from predators ... on the other hand, what if this does lead to some innocent person being caught up in vigilantly type incident if they happen to resemble one of the people?

Then there is the argument about having done their time, they ought to be free to resume life in the community (provided they have had rehabilitation) ... but who knows how effective the rehabilitation is?

So many conflicting parts to this question. Undecided

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Sex offenders register could become a reality ! Reply #2 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 12:44pm No it won't It's a fishing expedition trying to wedge Labor As Nemo posted so many scenarios & situations to consider This is nothing more than a headline hoping Labor comes back unsupportive
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Reply #3 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 2:05pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 9^th, 2019 at 10:45am:

It's a tricky one.

On the one hand, you would like to keep children safe from predators ... on the other hand, what if this does lead to some innocent person being caught up in vigilantly type incident if they happen to resemble one of the people?

Then there is the argument about having done their time, they ought to be free to resume life in the community (provided they have had rehabilitation) ... but who knows how effective the rehabilitation is?

So many conflicting parts to this question. Undecided

Correct me if I wrong, but I believe that most children who are the victims of sexual assault had the act/s committed on them by a relative or family friend.

I think that having those about to be released on parole after serving time for committing sexual offences against children should be subject to a Risk Assessment and based on that Assessment should have restrictions imposed on them, such as:

- Not living within several hundred meters of an educational facility for children or a place where a large group of children would regularly congregate
- Not being allowed to work in careers where you will frequently be in contact with children
- Having some form of tracking device attached to them that alerts the authorities if they are in a location that violates their parole conditions

It would ensure that people convicted of crimes that could put them on a Sex Offenders register, such as peeing in a children's playground or having sex with a willing minor, end up on a Sex Offenders register and being the victim of vigilantes, as has been the case in the USA and UK.

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Reply #4 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 2:10pm

I am in favor of it....I dont think its for public consumption exactly but the law should know who where and what......

and besides these people have been found guilty of doing something that ruins people lives....no matter what anyone says its always children who cannot defend themselves its wicked it evil

yes let them have their shame put on a file....

will it deter anyone??... who knows.... we can but live in hope,.

come on all those CHristian haters think of the priests that end up on it..

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Sex offenders register could become a reality ! Reply #5 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 2:21pm Child safety comes first,,, end of dilemma. I would certainly view a register if it were available.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Sex offenders register could become a reality ! Reply #6 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 2:30pm wonder if it will include aboriginals..
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 141417 Gender:	Re: Sex offenders register could become a reality ! Reply #7 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 2:40pm cods wrote on Jan 9^th, 2019 at 2:30pm: wonder if it will include aboriginals.. Why wouldn't it?
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Reply #8 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 2:42pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2019 at 12:44pm:

No it won't
It's a fishing expedition trying to wedge Labor
As Nemo posted so many scenarios & situations to consider
This is nothing more than a headline hoping Labor comes back unsupportive

They have it in the US and don't make it a big deal. If anything it should be a deterrent for would-be pedos. Don't do it or you'll get a tattoo across your forehead and you'll be marked for life Wink

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Reply #9 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 3:20pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 9^th, 2019 at 2:42pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2019 at 12:44pm:

No it won't
It's a fishing expedition trying to wedge Labor
As Nemo posted so many scenarios & situations to consider
This is nothing more than a headline hoping Labor comes back unsupportive

They have it in the US and don't make it a big deal. If anything it should be a deterrent for would-be pedos. Don't do it or you'll get a tattoo across your forehead and you'll be marked for life Wink

They also don't make a big deal when someone shoots multiple people all at once.
Shall we import that because it from the USA?

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Vigilantism against registered sex offenders
A primary argument for the reform of sex offender laws is that sex offender registration inherently encourages vigilante action by those who use sex offender lists to locate, harass, attack, and even murder registered sex offenders.[19] Due to widespread access to the Internet, many sex offender lists are easily located by those wishing to intimidate or otherwise harm registered offenders. Even though law enforcement officials strongly condemn using the sex offender registries for the purposes of harm and harassment, dozens of recorded cases occur each year of crimes against registered offenders.[20]

Documented abuses of the registered sex offender list include:

Repeated and false reports to police regarding sex offenders living in a residential area[21]
Posting public signs drawing attention to a registered offender's address or otherwise advertising to others where the registered offender lives
Verbal threats either in person or through the phone or e-mail[22]
Repeated acts of trespassing or deliberately damaging property belonging to the registered sex offender[23]
Physical assault
Murder
Among the most serious crimes against registered offenders include the case of Patrick Drum, who shot and killed two men in 2012 because they were listed on the state of Washington's sex offender registry.[24] Jeremy and Christine Moody, two self professed neo-Nazis, were convicted in 2014 of kidnapping and murder when they forced a registered sex offender and his wife into their home at gunpoint and then executed them.[25] Stephen Marshall, after killing two registered offenders in Maine, committed suicide when he was cornered on a bus by police.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_reform_sex_offender_laws_in_the_United...

I have no issue with law enforcement having a register of sex offenders where abouts

I have a big issue if that list is available for public consumption.

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Reply #10 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 3:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

cods wrote on Jan 9^th, 2019 at 2:30pm:

wonder if it will include aboriginals.. Sad

Why wouldn't it?

because it would be like the stolen generation whiteys fault everything is our fault....I dont know what the stats are but how many aboriginals get charged with sexual abuse of a child???....and yet everyone talks about it so it isnt a small problem....

it probably wont happen anyway the bleeding hearts will come out and claim they have done their time.... Roll Eyes

while the children are still doing their time many many years later.... Sad

I would be happier if I knew it would make so much difference but I am not sure it does..

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JollyGreenGiant Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 152	Re: Sex offenders register could become a reality ! Reply #11 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 3:51pm There is already a site that lists Aussie sex offenders. It is "unofficial" but all the same ..... use Dr Google and search for:- aussiesexoffenders.wordpress.com/
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Reply #12 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 4:42pm

not sure I wan t to know to be honest....

I am not convinced it should be just open to anyone...

schools maybe....maybe its time these men were monitored more when they are released monitored for at least 10 years...we have had one or two cases lately that have fallen through the cracks thats for sure....

the problem is as they catch one another is making life hell for some other child or children somewhere..

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Reply #13 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 5:19pm

A stunt from Mr Potato head....Police and authorities already know the whereabouts of registered sex offenders and are responsible for ensuring they abide by court rulings and restrictions placed on them....What purpose does it serve to make the register public and risk vigilante justice....What does Dutton expect the public will be able to do to registered sex offenders that police and the courts cannot???

Huh

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Reply #14 - Jan 9^th, 2019 at 5:31pm

Why shouldn't it?

well ... for one... there's the current trend towards upholding some mythical rights of an accuser/victim as opposed to the accused... there being no victim until a genuine offence has been proven.... only an alleged victim.....

then there's 'believe the accuser' if the accuser is a woman or girl ...

then there 's the drive for guilt by accusation that the feminists are pushing for ......

then there's the obvious abuse to which compliant and scaredy cat courts will put this to aid the war on men and boys......

then there's the blatant unequal treatment before the law for female sex offenders as opposed to male sex offenders ... women, being the receivers, by some osmosis of thought, cannot be an offender ... herh, herh, herh - the school aged boy LOVED it.... as if that's sufficient reason to let her off........

Oh, well... guess we'll just have to wait until a proper legal framework is designed or divined to ensure that injustice does not become the law of the land - but why ruin a good thing when it's just a step around the corner? Think of the absolute control under a reign of terror that any government could enjoy if they just let the feminists have their way and punish any man for any accusation... might as well throw the courts away - for what good they are anyway.....

How about we just give tribunals the right and power to list someone as a sex offender, even where nothing has been proven??? Think of the social cleansing that could be achieved by using that simple device......

Downe at Ye Olde SexOff Tribunal ....

"The respondent (not accused since it's not in a court) has been accused of molesting a total stranger who cannot identify him but says it was him, and even though it has been shown he was a thousand miles away at the time!"

"Guilty - list the evil bastard... here, there, dearie (to the accuser) ... don't cry.. I'm sure the appropriate tribunal will make an example of him by imposing a huge payment to you.. you're so brave coming forward and accusing a man you never met who was thousands of miles away.. such lack of contact is no defence! Besides - he showed he didn't like or want this tribunal, saying so in a blog..... bloody dissident and reactionary fascist bastard...."

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