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Reply #30 - Jan 31^st, 2019 at 5:19pm

moses wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 4:37pm:

Women according to Christ:
John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
John 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

It seems Christ taught compassion and forgiveness.

So then, Moses why did Paul get it so wrong in comparison? Why does The Bible contain the misogyny of Paul and other testimonies, Mmmm? Why do Christians follow what Paul tells them to do, hey? Tsk, tsk, Christianity really needs to reform itself and the only way to do that is to address the bad things in The Bible. Roll Eyes

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Reply #31 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:59am

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 7:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 9:43am:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 11:21am:

Auggie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 11:12am:

Any religion or idea is capable of reform. Change will only come. Unfortunately such change usually does not come about by peaceful means.

The Koran is the masterpiece of guidance and knowledge bestowed upon humanity by the Almighty. It cannot be modified in any way whatsoever. It is the final book. The commandments of the Almighty are entrenched in the Koran which provides for a complete way of life.

Asia Bibi, for example, was acquitted by the Supreme Court of Pakistan NOT because they threw out the sharia rules on blasphemy as outdated or irrelevant in a modern society but simply because the prosecution did not prove that the blasphemy occurred. In other words, there is not one iota of moving away from sharia law and its demands in relation to punishing blasphemy by death. Sharia rules are completely unchanged in 11400 years because the Koran's guidance is unmodifiable. For Muslims, its forever Groundhog Day of 8 June 632 AD.

The Bible sanctifies the butchering of women and children as noble acts of faith. Oh yes it does. For centuries such butchering was sanctioned by the church as noble acts of faith. And yet, you would be the first to argue that Christianity has got over that and 'reformed'.

There is nothing in Islamic doctrine that should act as an impenetrable 'never ever' road block to muslims behaving both civily and keeping in faith with their religion. Even if you insist there are specific doctrinal passages that make slaughtering innocents a compulsory act of faith (ridiculous, but I'll humour you), there's no reason why it can't be bypassed, ignored or rationalised into something more compatible with civil society. The truth is most muslims do it anyway, and on the other side of the coin, the jihadis bypass ignore or rationalise specific commands to not be intolerant butchering thugs. If Christians can get past specific doctrinal commands to punish and/or revile homosexuals and look upon women as subservient, inferior beings who must not be heard in public - into a religion that officially embraces gay rights and women's equality - then I don't think its a stretch for muslims to get over some pretty vague and ambiguous doctrinal references that allegedly condone slaughtering innocents on the basis of personal beliefs as an act of faith. For one thing, they can instead emphasise the decidedly *NON* vague and *NON ambiguous commands to accept and embrace freedom of thought in 2:256 and 18:29.

What's to stop Muslims paying attention to it again?

Would it be fair to describe you as a hypocrite for suggesting Muslims ignore those parts of the Quran they feel uncomfortable with? Or are you only suggesting that non-Muslims ignore them?

No it would not be fair FD. I've spent over 6 years here specifically *NOT* ignoring controversial passages in the Quran, and in fact confronting them head on, addressing them directly and at length and explaining patiently my interpretation of them. Your insistence that me arguing a point of view about verses that differs from yours is necessarily either "ignoring" them or (your preferred label) - lying - is about as unfair as you can be.

I've certainly never seen you confronting or addressing in any meaningful way why the unambiguous and universal commands in 2:256 and 18:29 somehow don't count and should be superseded by a minority interpretation of chapter 9.

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Reply #32 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 2:46pm

Meanwhile today right now 2019, there is absoloutely no doubt that islamic countries are light years behind the west in the treatment of women.

The apologists and *moderates* continually try to equate Christian and muslim doctrine as being overall the same.

If they were remotely similar muslims would not be the barbaric people they are today.

Christ is streets ahead of muhammad in the humanity stakes, those are the facts which gall the leftards and *moderates*.

islam will never change until there is honesty in the muslim ranks about the evil in the qur'an.

All the crap about the Jews and Christians have got over the bad bits, why won't the muslims also?

Simply does not answer the problem of: muhammad actually preached to bash women, rape them, lock them in houses until they die if they upset you.

Oh well it seems that the time is not quiet here when people will demand that muslims take responsibility for the satanic barbarity they practice in accordance with the qur'an.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Islam is unreformable. Never ever. Reply #34 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:21pm muhammad actually preached to bash women, rape them, lock them in houses until they die if they upset you. I am unaware of any teachings of the New Testament which preach these deeds be committed against women.
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Reply #35 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:38pm

moses wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:21pm:

muhammad actually preached to bash women, rape them, lock them in houses until they die if they upset you.

I am unaware of any teachings of the New Testament which preach these deeds be committed against women.

Paul's teachings are part of the New Testament. Paul teaches that women must be silent and not speak out in church (Corinthians 14:33-35). Paul teaches that women are not allowed to teach in church or to exercise authority over men (Timothy 2: 9-15). That women must be subservient to men at all times (1 Corinthians 11:3-9). Women must submit to their husbands in all decision making, according to Paul (Ephesians 5:22-30, Colossians 3:18-19). None of these views would be out of place in a traditional, tribal Muslim society, now would they, Moses? They are the equivalent of your claims about Mohammed and Islam and it's attitude towards women and guess what? They are all in the New Testament. Funny that, hey? Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 6:06pm

@ B.R.
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muhammad actually preached to bash women, rape them, lock them in houses until they die if they upset you.

I am unaware of any teachings of the New Testament which preach these deeds be committed against women.

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Paul's teachings are part of the New Testament. Paul teaches that women must be silent and not speak out in church (Corinthians 14:33-35). Paul teaches that women are not allowed to teach in church or to exercise authority over men (Timothy 2: 9-15). That women must be subservient to men at all times (1 Corinthians 11:3-9). Women must submit to their husbands in all decision making, according to Paul (Ephesians 5:22-30, Colossians 3:18-19). None of these views would be out of place in a traditional, tribal Muslim society, now would they, Moses? They are the equivalent of your claims about Mohammed and Islam and it's attitude towards women and guess what? They are all in the New Testament. Funny that, hey?

You may recall I said muhammad taught to bash women, rape them, lock them in houses until they died if they upset you.

O.K. so I referenced bashing, rape and forced detention until death.

What's funny is you backed away from every one of these things sanctioned in islam so let's examine your claims.

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1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1 Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1 Corinthians 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1 Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
1 Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
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1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1 Timothy 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

All of the above are saying that women shouldn't be teachers in the church, that women should be modest and the man is the higher authority of the two of them. There is absolutely nothing about beatings rape or forced detention till death.

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Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
Colossians3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.
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Ephesians 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

The above show just how dishonest you actually are, they are about equality of love, man should love his wife, women should love their husband, in fact it states in Eph 5:25 a man should love his wife so much that he is prepared to give his life for her, as Christ gave his life for mankind.

Now there is absolutely nothing resembling the satanic teachings of islam which urge bashing, rape and forced detention till death for women.

funny that hey?

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Reply #37 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 7:26pm

moses wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 6:06pm:

@ B.R.
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muhammad actually preached to bash women, rape them, lock them in houses until they die if they upset you.

I am unaware of any teachings of the New Testament which preach these deeds be committed against women.

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Paul's teachings are part of the New Testament. Paul teaches that women must be silent and not speak out in church (Corinthians 14:33-35). Paul teaches that women are not allowed to teach in church or to exercise authority over men (Timothy 2: 9-15). That women must be subservient to men at all times (1 Corinthians 11:3-9). Women must submit to their husbands in all decision making, according to Paul (Ephesians 5:22-30, Colossians 3:18-19). None of these views would be out of place in a traditional, tribal Muslim society, now would they, Moses? They are the equivalent of your claims about Mohammed and Islam and it's attitude towards women and guess what? They are all in the New Testament. Funny that, hey?

You may recall I said muhammad taught to bash women, rape them, lock them in houses until they died if they upset you.

Did he? Really? Mmmm?

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O.K. so I referenced bashing, rape and forced detention until death.

What's funny is you backed away from every one of these things sanctioned in islam so let's examine your claims.

I have not "backed away" from anything. I have put forward that Christianity's New Testament, that wonderful book that you claim shows that Christianity cares and is so fulfilly. Yeah, it you are a man perhaps, Moses but women? Oh, no! They can't hold positions of authority, they cannot teach, they must be subservient to men. Tsk, tsk, caught out again, hey, Moses? Your interpretations are just that, interpretations. When one examines what Paul said, it is as heinous as anything that you claim Mohammed said. It is the bedrock that misogyny is founded upon. It reflects it's age. Today, no woman should stand for such crap and rightfully so. Christianity is as misogynist as you claim Islam is. Roll Eyes

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Reply #39 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 10:01pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 9:12pm:

moses wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:21pm:

muhammad actually preached to bash women, rape them, lock them in houses until they die if they upset you.

I am unaware of any teachings of the New Testament which preach these deeds be committed against women.

Bash them. Rape them. Lock them up.

Cesterete them.

K,

That was bobby.

Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.

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Reply #40 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 1:27pm

@ forked tongue:
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moses wrote Quote:

You may recall I said muhammad taught to bash women, rape them, lock them in houses until they died if they upset you

forked tongue wrote Quote:

Did he? Really? Mmmm?

So what are we to deduce from this little exchange?

Well it's patently obvious that f.t. has absolutely no misgivings about the qur'an teaching men to bash, rape and forcefully detain women in a house until they die.

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moses wrote Quote:

O.K. so I referenced bashing, rape and forced detention until death.

What's funny is you backed away from every one of these things sanctioned in islam so let's examine your claims.

forked tongue wrote Quote:

I have not "backed away" from anything. I have put forward that Christianity's New Testament, that wonderful book that you claim shows that Christianity cares and is so fulfilly. Yeah, it you are a man perhaps, Moses but women? Oh, no! They can't hold positions of authority, they cannot teach, they must be subservient to men. Tsk, tsk, caught out again, hey, Moses? Your interpretations are just that, interpretations. When one examines what Paul said, it is as heinous as anything that you claim Mohammed said. It is the bedrock that misogyny is founded upon. It reflects it's age. Today, no woman should stand for such crap and rightfully so. Christianity is as misogynist as you claim Islam is.

Further proof that f.t. is desperately trying to excuse muhammads' bash, rape and forced detention teachings.

f.t. is pathetically telling us that the (no longer used) 2019 year old teachings of men must love wives / women must love husbands, women be modest, women can't be teachers in the church, are as *heinous* as the directions to bash, rape and lock women in houses till they die.

old forked tongue is one sick demented puppy.

He has not got the intestinal fortitude to call islam for what it is, a sick depraved death cult.

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Reply #41 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 2:19pm

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 1:27pm:

@ forked tongue:
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moses wrote Quote:

You may recall I said muhammad taught to bash women, rape them, lock them in houses until they died if they upset you

forked tongue wrote Quote:

Did he? Really? Mmmm?

So what are we to deduce from this little exchange?

Well it's patently obvious that f.t. has absolutely no misgivings about the qur'an teaching men to bash, rape and forcefully detain women in a house until they die.

Quote:

moses wrote Quote:

O.K. so I referenced bashing, rape and forced detention until death.

What's funny is you backed away from every one of these things sanctioned in islam so let's examine your claims.

forked tongue wrote Quote:

I have not "backed away" from anything. I have put forward that Christianity's New Testament, that wonderful book that you claim shows that Christianity cares and is so fulfilly. Yeah, it you are a man perhaps, Moses but women? Oh, no! They can't hold positions of authority, they cannot teach, they must be subservient to men. Tsk, tsk, caught out again, hey, Moses? Your interpretations are just that, interpretations. When one examines what Paul said, it is as heinous as anything that you claim Mohammed said. It is the bedrock that misogyny is founded upon. It reflects it's age. Today, no woman should stand for such crap and rightfully so. Christianity is as misogynist as you claim Islam is.

Further proof that f.t. is desperately trying to excuse muhammads' bash, rape and forced detention teachings.

f.t. is pathetically telling us that the (no longer used) 2019 year old teachings of men must love wives / women must love husbands, women be modest, women can't be teachers in the church, are as *heinous* as the directions to bash, rape and lock women in houses till they die.

old forked tongue is one sick demented puppy.

He has not got the intestinal fortitude to call islam for what it is, a sick depraved death cult.

Moses, as much as you deny it, under Christianity, women are meant to be subservient to men - they are not allowed to hold positions of authority, to teach, they must obey their men folk - in other words, they are second class citizens. This is exactly what you charge Islam with, yet here we have examples drawn from the New Testament, the wonderful, the touchy-feely part of The Bible as you describe it, which has supposedly overturned all the bad things of the Old Testament. Yeah, sure.

Moses, you are a Christian bigot. I have made no excuses for Islam, despite what you claim. Islam is a product of attitudes prevalent 1400 years ago. Christianity is a product of attitudes prevalent 2000 years ago. You run along, believe in what ever sky fairy that tickles your fancy. However, leave Muslims to believe in what ever sky fairy tickles their fancy, OK? You don't have the right or the power to stop them. Roll Eyes

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Reply #42 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 2:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 2:19pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 1:27pm:

@ forked tongue:
Quote:

moses wrote Quote:

You may recall I said muhammad taught to bash women, rape them, lock them in houses until they died if they upset you

forked tongue wrote Quote:

Did he? Really? Mmmm?

So what are we to deduce from this little exchange?

Well it's patently obvious that f.t. has absolutely no misgivings about the qur'an teaching men to bash, rape and forcefully detain women in a house until they die.

Quote:

moses wrote Quote:

O.K. so I referenced bashing, rape and forced detention until death.

What's funny is you backed away from every one of these things sanctioned in islam so let's examine your claims.

forked tongue wrote Quote:

I have not "backed away" from anything. I have put forward that Christianity's New Testament, that wonderful book that you claim shows that Christianity cares and is so fulfilly. Yeah, it you are a man perhaps, Moses but women? Oh, no! They can't hold positions of authority, they cannot teach, they must be subservient to men. Tsk, tsk, caught out again, hey, Moses? Your interpretations are just that, interpretations. When one examines what Paul said, it is as heinous as anything that you claim Mohammed said. It is the bedrock that misogyny is founded upon. It reflects it's age. Today, no woman should stand for such crap and rightfully so. Christianity is as misogynist as you claim Islam is.

Further proof that f.t. is desperately trying to excuse muhammads' bash, rape and forced detention teachings.

f.t. is pathetically telling us that the (no longer used) 2019 year old teachings of men must love wives / women must love husbands, women be modest, women can't be teachers in the church, are as *heinous* as the directions to bash, rape and lock women in houses till they die.

old forked tongue is one sick demented puppy.

He has not got the intestinal fortitude to call islam for what it is, a sick depraved death cult.

Moses, as much as you deny it, under Christianity, women are meant to be subservient to men - they are not allowed to hold positions of authority, to teach, they must obey their men folk - in other words, they are second class citizens. This is exactly what you charge Islam with, yet here we have examples drawn from the New Testament, the wonderful, the touchy-feely part of The Bible as you describe it, which has supposedly overturned all the bad things of the Old Testament. Yeah, sure.

Moses, you are a Christian bigot. I have made no excuses for Islam, despite what you claim. Islam is a product of attitudes prevalent 1400 years ago. Christianity is a product of attitudes prevalent 2000 years ago. You run along, believe in what ever sky fairy that tickles your fancy. However, leave Muslims to believe in what ever sky fairy tickles their fancy, OK? You don't have the right or the power to stop them. Roll Eyes

Bollocks, Bwian, stupid bollocks as usual.

The head of the Anglican Church is a woman, has been for over 60 years.

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Reply #43 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 3:06pm

The board liar wrote Reply #41 - Today at 2:19pm
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Moses, as much as you deny it, under Christianity, women are meant to be subservient to men - they are not allowed to hold positions of authority, to teach, they must obey their men folk - in other words, they are second class citizens. This is exactly what you charge Islam with, yet here we have examples drawn from the New Testament, the wonderful, the touchy-feely part of The Bible as you describe it, which has supposedly overturned all the bad things of the Old Testament. Yeah, sure.

Moses, you are a Christian bigot. I have made no excuses for Islam, despite what you claim. Islam is a product of attitudes prevalent 1400 years ago. Christianity is a product of attitudes prevalent 2000 years ago. You run along, believe in what ever sky fairy that tickles your fancy. However, leave Muslims to believe in what ever sky fairy tickles their fancy, OK? You don't have the right or the power to stop them.

Who is denying that verses which say women are not to teach, women should be modest etc.?

I have continually said they exist but they are totally ignored today 2019.

I confront you because you try and equate this kind of teaching as being just as evil the commands to bash, rape and detain women against their will until they die, in islam.

You lie when you say a teaching to not teach in church, is no different to a teaching that it's O.K. to bash a woman.

You lie when you say that a teaching which says women should be modest, is no different to a teaching which condones rape.

You lie when you say that a teaching that says that both husbands and wives must love each other, is no different to a teaching which says men can detain women in a house until they die.

All in all forked tongue, you've got some serious issues.

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Reply #44 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 4:05pm

Frank wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 2:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 2:19pm:

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 1:27pm:

@ forked tongue:
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moses wrote Quote:

You may recall I said muhammad taught to bash women, rape them, lock them in houses until they died if they upset you

forked tongue wrote Quote:

Did he? Really? Mmmm?

So what are we to deduce from this little exchange?

Well it's patently obvious that f.t. has absolutely no misgivings about the qur'an teaching men to bash, rape and forcefully detain women in a house until they die.

Quote:

moses wrote Quote:

O.K. so I referenced bashing, rape and forced detention until death.

What's funny is you backed away from every one of these things sanctioned in islam so let's examine your claims.

forked tongue wrote Quote:

I have not "backed away" from anything. I have put forward that Christianity's New Testament, that wonderful book that you claim shows that Christianity cares and is so fulfilly. Yeah, it you are a man perhaps, Moses but women? Oh, no! They can't hold positions of authority, they cannot teach, they must be subservient to men. Tsk, tsk, caught out again, hey, Moses? Your interpretations are just that, interpretations. When one examines what Paul said, it is as heinous as anything that you claim Mohammed said. It is the bedrock that misogyny is founded upon. It reflects it's age. Today, no woman should stand for such crap and rightfully so. Christianity is as misogynist as you claim Islam is.

Further proof that f.t. is desperately trying to excuse muhammads' bash, rape and forced detention teachings.

f.t. is pathetically telling us that the (no longer used) 2019 year old teachings of men must love wives / women must love husbands, women be modest, women can't be teachers in the church, are as *heinous* as the directions to bash, rape and lock women in houses till they die.

old forked tongue is one sick demented puppy.

He has not got the intestinal fortitude to call islam for what it is, a sick depraved death cult.

Moses, as much as you deny it, under Christianity, women are meant to be subservient to men - they are not allowed to hold positions of authority, to teach, they must obey their men folk - in other words, they are second class citizens. This is exactly what you charge Islam with, yet here we have examples drawn from the New Testament, the wonderful, the touchy-feely part of The Bible as you describe it, which has supposedly overturned all the bad things of the Old Testament. Yeah, sure.

Moses, you are a Christian bigot. I have made no excuses for Islam, despite what you claim. Islam is a product of attitudes prevalent 1400 years ago. Christianity is a product of attitudes prevalent 2000 years ago. You run along, believe in what ever sky fairy that tickles your fancy. However, leave Muslims to believe in what ever sky fairy tickles their fancy, OK? You don't have the right or the power to stop them. Roll Eyes

Bollocks, Bwian, stupid bollocks as usual.

The head of the Anglican Church is a woman, has been for over 60 years.

See! She is a heretic! Burn her, burn her, before she pollutes all those other Christians!

Actually, she is the, what, fifth in a long line of Queens of the UK? Of course, having a Queen as the Head of State for a Christian nation is heretical, according to Christian. Funny that, hey, Soren? Roll Eyes

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