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Reply #195 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:05pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 2:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 10:34am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 5:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 5:33pm:

Just something the looney luvvies should take stock of .....

how many of those are national public holidays?

It's still days allocated & activities/celebrations organised ....

and I'll bet that if any of those who identify as AATSI, if they have a job will be allowed "cultural" leave.

you have no idea what Australia day actually means do you?

What? ... it's a recognition of Capt Arthur Phillips setting up the first settlement at Sydney Cove after first arriving at Port Jackson Botany Bay in 1788... as well as now being a celebration of this nations achievements past, present & future ... for all Australians.

Who hasn't got a clue? FU.

well obviously you don't.

That's just the excuse you morons are using now to resist any changes for the sake of a few abo's. I'd bet most people wouldn't have a clue what day Phillips landed.

so what's your alternative to jan 26?

Glad you asked ... I haven't actually decided which way to go on this. I feel Australia day should be on the day Australia came together as a nation, 1st Jan. Before that they were all independent states. My only issue with 1st Jan is that it would get lost in the new year celebrations. I think we should keep it separate.

Maybe we can celebrate the day we came together at a date no one takes issue with? After all, we don't celebrate the queens birthday on her birthday. I don't particularly care what date. I'm grateful to be an Aussie every day. The day we celebrate it doesn't change how I feel about Australia.

So you have no alternative then.

what part was difficult for you?

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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #196 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:07pm

mothra wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:57pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:54pm:

After all these years of whinging the abos have never given us an alternative for Jan 26. That's because it would give away what this is really all about. What they want is a treaty day like the Maori have ( Waitangi Day). It all leads to this . They want us to pay rent and the whinging will never end until they get it.

We spent $33 billion last year on rent to 500,000 people.

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-50...

Verdict

Warren Mundine’s statement uses the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of government spending on Indigenous Australians – about $30.3 billion, according to the Productivity Commission.

However, only a small proportion of the overall Indigenous expenditure is on Indigenous-specific programs. The rest comprises the cost of providing mainstream services, such as schooling and health care, that all Australians enjoy.

His figure of 500,000 Indigenous Australians is a bit low, likely reflecting reasonably common uncertainty on this question (as well as him being on the spot on a fast-paced, live TV program).

The general point about needing “to find out where the wastage of our funding is” is important, and requires careful evaluation of the impact and cost-effectiveness of Indigenous-specific and other social programs.

So directly and indirectly $60,600 is spent every year on roughly every aboriginal person while $20,900 is spent annually (directly and indirectly) on everybody else???

Please don;t tell me i need to explain it to you?

Read it again. Slowly.

he could read it a hundred times, he still won't understand what it says

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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #197 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:10pm

mothra wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:57pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:54pm:

After all these years of whinging the abos have never given us an alternative for Jan 26. That's because it would give away what this is really all about. What they want is a treaty day like the Maori have ( Waitangi Day). It all leads to this . They want us to pay rent and the whinging will never end until they get it.

We spent $33 billion last year on rent to 500,000 people.

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-50...

Verdict

Warren Mundine’s statement uses the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of government spending on Indigenous Australians – about $30.3 billion, according to the Productivity Commission.

However, only a small proportion of the overall Indigenous expenditure is on Indigenous-specific programs. The rest comprises the cost of providing mainstream services, such as schooling and health care, that all Australians enjoy.

His figure of 500,000 Indigenous Australians is a bit low, likely reflecting reasonably common uncertainty on this question (as well as him being on the spot on a fast-paced, live TV program).

The general point about needing “to find out where the wastage of our funding is” is important, and requires careful evaluation of the impact and cost-effectiveness of Indigenous-specific and other social programs.

So directly and indirectly $60,600 is spent every year on roughly every aboriginal person while $20,900 is spent annually (directly and indirectly) on everybody else???

Please don;t tell me i need to explain it to you?

Read it again. Slowly.

3.3 billion divided by 500,000 is $60,000+ for each person. Now even with essential services thrown in it's way over the $20,000 with essential services for everybody else. Prison incarceration, health services, maintaining remote communities, welfare etc all high amongst aboriginal people. I can see why they cost so much. When are they going to PAY IT BACCCKKKK! da da da.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74457 Gender:	Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March Reply #198 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:12pm Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:10pm: it's way over the $20,000 with essential services for everybody else where does it say that $20k figure includes essential services?
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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #199 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:12pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 2:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 10:34am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 5:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 5:33pm:

Just something the looney luvvies should take stock of .....

how many of those are national public holidays?

It's still days allocated & activities/celebrations organised ....

and I'll bet that if any of those who identify as AATSI, if they have a job will be allowed "cultural" leave.

you have no idea what Australia day actually means do you?

What? ... it's a recognition of Capt Arthur Phillips setting up the first settlement at Sydney Cove after first arriving at Port Jackson Botany Bay in 1788... as well as now being a celebration of this nations achievements past, present & future ... for all Australians.

Who hasn't got a clue? FU.

well obviously you don't.

That's just the excuse you morons are using now to resist any changes for the sake of a few abo's. I'd bet most people wouldn't have a clue what day Phillips landed.

so what's your alternative to jan 26?

Glad you asked ... I haven't actually decided which way to go on this. I feel Australia day should be on the day Australia came together as a nation, 1st Jan. Before that they were all independent states. My only issue with 1st Jan is that it would get lost in the new year celebrations. I think we should keep it separate.

Maybe we can celebrate the day we came together at a date no one takes issue with? After all, we don't celebrate the queens birthday on her birthday. I don't particularly care what date. I'm grateful to be an Aussie every day. The day we celebrate it doesn't change how I feel about Australia.

So you have no alternative then.

what part was difficult for you?

You want it on jan 1st but it will get overshadowed by New Years Day blah blah blah. Typical, no answer.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March Reply #200 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:14pm John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:10pm: it's way over the $20,000 with essential services for everybody else where does it say that $20k figure includes essential services? Where does it say it doesn't?
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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #201 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:16pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 2:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 10:34am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 5:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 5:33pm:

Just something the looney luvvies should take stock of .....

how many of those are national public holidays?

It's still days allocated & activities/celebrations organised ....

and I'll bet that if any of those who identify as AATSI, if they have a job will be allowed "cultural" leave.

you have no idea what Australia day actually means do you?

What? ... it's a recognition of Capt Arthur Phillips setting up the first settlement at Sydney Cove after first arriving at Port Jackson Botany Bay in 1788... as well as now being a celebration of this nations achievements past, present & future ... for all Australians.

Who hasn't got a clue? FU.

well obviously you don't.

That's just the excuse you morons are using now to resist any changes for the sake of a few abo's. I'd bet most people wouldn't have a clue what day Phillips landed.

so what's your alternative to jan 26?

Glad you asked ... I haven't actually decided which way to go on this. I feel Australia day should be on the day Australia came together as a nation, 1st Jan. Before that they were all independent states. My only issue with 1st Jan is that it would get lost in the new year celebrations. I think we should keep it separate.

Maybe we can celebrate the day we came together at a date no one takes issue with? After all, we don't celebrate the queens birthday on her birthday.

I don't particularly care what date.

I'm grateful to be an Aussie every day. The day we celebrate it doesn't change how I feel about Australia.

So you have no alternative then.

what part was difficult for you?

You want it on jan 1st but it will get overshadowed by New Years Day blah blah blah. Typical, no answer.

Here, I've increased the size of the text and highlighted it for you. Is it easier for you to understand now?

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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #202 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:17pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:10pm:

it's way over the $20,000 with essential services for everybody else

where does it say that $20k figure includes essential services?

Where does it say it doesn't?

you're the one who claimed it does. I'm just asking where you got that nugget of information from.

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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #203 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:24pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:10pm:

it's way over the $20,000 with essential services for everybody else

where does it say that $20k figure includes essential services?

Where does it say it doesn't?

you're the one who claimed it does. I'm just asking where you got that nugget of information from.

All they have done is worked out gross government expenditure on aborigines and the same for the general population. And divided it by their respective populations. So indirect expenditure would be contained in both figures.

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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #204 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:25pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:16pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 2:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 10:34am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 5:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 5:33pm:

Just something the looney luvvies should take stock of .....

how many of those are national public holidays?

It's still days allocated & activities/celebrations organised ....

and I'll bet that if any of those who identify as AATSI, if they have a job will be allowed "cultural" leave.

you have no idea what Australia day actually means do you?

What? ... it's a recognition of Capt Arthur Phillips setting up the first settlement at Sydney Cove after first arriving at Port Jackson Botany Bay in 1788... as well as now being a celebration of this nations achievements past, present & future ... for all Australians.

Who hasn't got a clue? FU.

well obviously you don't.

That's just the excuse you morons are using now to resist any changes for the sake of a few abo's. I'd bet most people wouldn't have a clue what day Phillips landed.

so what's your alternative to jan 26?

Glad you asked ... I haven't actually decided which way to go on this. I feel Australia day should be on the day Australia came together as a nation, 1st Jan. Before that they were all independent states. My only issue with 1st Jan is that it would get lost in the new year celebrations. I think we should keep it separate.

Maybe we can celebrate the day we came together at a date no one takes issue with? After all, we don't celebrate the queens birthday on her birthday.

I don't particularly care what date.

I'm grateful to be an Aussie every day. The day we celebrate it doesn't change how I feel about Australia.

So you have no alternative then.

what part was difficult for you?

You want it on jan 1st but it will get overshadowed by New Years Day blah blah blah. Typical, no answer.

Here, I've increased the size of the text and highlighted it for you. Is it easier for you to understand now?

You don't care ? Jan 26 it stays then?

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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #205 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:29pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:25pm:

You don't care ? Jan 26 it stays then?

I don't care. Others do. If you read my comments properly you'd see that I also said ' Maybe we can celebrate the day we came together at a date no one takes issue with?

Why are you so opposed to finding a day that everyone can agree on? Do you think it'll change how you feel about australia?

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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #206 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:33pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:29pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:25pm:

You don't care ? Jan 26 it stays then?

I don't care. Others do. If you read my comments properly you'd see that I also said ' Maybe we can celebrate the day we came together at a date no one takes issue with?

Why are you so opposed to finding a day that everyone can agree on? Do you think it'll change how you feel about australia?

Because the only date the aborigines will be happy to celebrate is a treaty date like what NZ has. That won't bring the country together but will make them happy. If that happens Australia will explode.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74457 Gender:	Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March Reply #207 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:34pm Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:33pm: Because the only date the aborigines will be happy to celebrate is a treaty date like what NZ has is that from the same source that told you the $20k included essential services?
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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #208 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:35pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:29pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:25pm:

You don't care ? Jan 26 it stays then?

I don't care. Others do. If you read my comments properly you'd see that I also said ' Maybe we can celebrate the day we came together at a date no one takes issue with?

Why are you so opposed to finding a day that everyone can agree on? Do you think it'll change how you feel about australia?

Because the only date the aborigines will be happy to celebrate is a treaty date like what NZ has. That won't bring the country together but will make them happy. If that happens Australia will explode.

That's tomorrow, actually.

Happy Waitangi Day to all my Kiwi friends.

Choice, bro!

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74457 Gender:	Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March Reply #209 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:36pm Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:24pm: ll they have done is worked out gross government expenditure on aborigines and the same for the general population. And divided it by their respective populations. So indirect expenditure would be contained in both figures. again, where does it say that?
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