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Reply #225 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 10:30am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 10:10am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 10:01am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:37am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:32am:

The Mabo and Wik decisions declared that for Aboriginal people to retain Native Title over their land in these remote areas they must maintain a cultural link to the land (ie: remain in these remote areas)....The Government provides very limited services and has already tried to force them off their land (Howard Government intervention into remote Aboriginal territories)....The Government wants the land and Aboriginal people will not give it up....Why should they???

Huh

So living in remote areas is not only a lifestyle choice but also a matter of need to retain their title? Very interesting.. sounds like a gu'mint move to sandwich them between one fire or another. I wasn't aware The Intervention was a move to move them off the land... but to assist them on the land.

Why can't designated and proven tribal groups or whatever retain title while living elsewhere - closer to services and such - absentee landlords of Native Title? Plenty of absentee landlords in other arenas of landholding. Macquarie Street farmers abound ...

Native title requires Aboriginal people to maintain a cultural link to the land....Apparently living on the land for over 60 000 years is not good enough to declare ownership???

Huh

I suppose the issue is 'ownership for what purpose' - apparently the idea was that native title permitted traditional activities without interference with the activities of others, a form of apartheid if you think about it. What this did not mean was FULL and unconditional ownership of the land, and you cannot put an argument of former informal ownership by simply being there implying full ownership now - that's been extinct for a very long time, and no nation on earth subscribes to such a silly idea. Are you suggesting that all groups who formerly lived in areas should be handed back the whole nation on demand? No nation on earth would remain as it is.

What are you recommending? That the government simply hand over to Aboriginals the whole country? If you offer that, you are encouraging civil war. Those days are gone - get over it and get on with it.

The Mabo and Wik decisions declared that Aboriginal people do have ownership over the land as long as they have maintained a connection to the land in question....I am not recommending anything mate I am just stating the facts that were decided by the High Court of Australia???

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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #226 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 10:37am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 10:30am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 10:10am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 10:01am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:37am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:32am:

The Mabo and Wik decisions declared that for Aboriginal people to retain Native Title over their land in these remote areas they must maintain a cultural link to the land (ie: remain in these remote areas)....The Government provides very limited services and has already tried to force them off their land (Howard Government intervention into remote Aboriginal territories)....The Government wants the land and Aboriginal people will not give it up....Why should they???

Huh

So living in remote areas is not only a lifestyle choice but also a matter of need to retain their title? Very interesting.. sounds like a gu'mint move to sandwich them between one fire or another. I wasn't aware The Intervention was a move to move them off the land... but to assist them on the land.

Why can't designated and proven tribal groups or whatever retain title while living elsewhere - closer to services and such - absentee landlords of Native Title? Plenty of absentee landlords in other arenas of landholding. Macquarie Street farmers abound ...

Native title requires Aboriginal people to maintain a cultural link to the land....Apparently living on the land for over 60 000 years is not good enough to declare ownership???

Huh

I suppose the issue is 'ownership for what purpose' - apparently the idea was that native title permitted traditional activities without interference with the activities of others, a form of apartheid if you think about it. What this did not mean was FULL and unconditional ownership of the land, and you cannot put an argument of former informal ownership by simply being there implying full ownership now - that's been extinct for a very long time, and no nation on earth subscribes to such a silly idea. Are you suggesting that all groups who formerly lived in areas should be handed back the whole nation on demand? No nation on earth would remain as it is.

What are you recommending? That the government simply hand over to Aboriginals the whole country? If you offer that, you are encouraging civil war. Those days are gone - get over it and get on with it.

The Mabo and Wik decisions declared that Aboriginal people do have ownership over the land as long as they have maintained a connection to the land in question....I am not recommending anything mate I am just stating the facts that were decided by the High Court of Australia???

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But that ownership isn't unlimited... it's traditional ownership, which is itself limited.... though they get to negotiate with mining companies and the like to allow earth ripping etc... but they can't just say NO... sometimes, with certain projects, I agree with them when they say NO...

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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #227 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 3:21pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:24pm:

ll they have done is worked out gross government expenditure on aborigines and the same for the general population. And divided it by their respective populations. So indirect expenditure would be contained in both figures.

again, where does it say that?

So you believe they fudged the general population figures to make the abos look needy?

No, I believe you just made it up.

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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #228 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 3:35pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:19am:

It's not an excuse you lame arze ... it's a fact.

no, it's an excuse. Hammer didn't know that until you wrote it down, yet he was still crying out for 26th. Just goes to prove it was an excuse all along.

Gnads wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:24am:

They are still all independent states .... why else do we have state govts?

Idiots who don't know their own country shouldn't be allowed to live here. Australia is a federation. The states retain some 'independence, but even that is at the whim of the federal government.

Gnads wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:24am:

everything else followed from that then on after

just like everything followed after the Roman Emperor Claudius served as first governor of Britain. By your logic, we can make that anniversary Australia day.

Cheesy

Gnads wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:24am:

24.5 million want it left where it is.

pulling numbers out of your arse again?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

99% already agree

another one pulling numbers out of his arse.

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Fifty-six per cent of Australians don't mind when it's held, just so long as there is a national day of celebration, according to a new poll.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-18/australia-day-debate-more-than-half-dont-...

opps, how embarrassing for you two to be proven so wrong so easily. Grin

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:14am:

Now bring me some real hate

why? you're hate tank is obviously already overflowing

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #229 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 4:19pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 2:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 2:24pm:

To reiterate - we should change Australia Day to 1 January - the day Australia as a nation state was declared, not 26 January when the first colony, New South Wales was declared. People who insist on 26 January being "Australia Day" are merely showing their ignorance. Let NSW keep 26 January as their foundation day. Australia Day is about celebrating Australia as a nation, not the single colony of NSW. Roll Eyes

Isn't Jan 1st still a "whitemans" day Brian? I'm sure the abos won't like that one either.

Of course, you know, don't you, Hammer? I wonder if you've ever even spoken to an Indigenous Australian in your entire life about this issue. Have you? Roll Eyes

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Reply #230 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 4:21pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 2:24pm:

To reiterate - we should change Australia Day to 1 January - the day Australia as a nation state was declared, not 26 January when the first colony, New South Wales was declared. People who insist on 26 January being "Australia Day" are merely showing their ignorance. Let NSW keep 26 January as their foundation day. Australia Day is about celebrating Australia as a nation, not the single colony of NSW. Roll Eyes

Farcough .. you gobshyte.

Anything of value to say there, Gnads? No, it doesn't appear so. Run along, back to your little kiddies' playground where you can play all the games you like with your similar minded pals. Roll Eyes

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Reply #231 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 4:22pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:54pm:

After all these years of whinging the abos have never given us an alternative for Jan 26. That's because it would give away what this is really all about. What they want is a treaty day like the Maori have ( Waitangi Day). It all leads to this . They want us to pay rent and the whinging will never end until they get it.

I think we should pay rent. It is, afterall, their land we live on, Hammer. Something you appear to ignore in your desperation to justify your ancestors' theft of it from it's rightful owners. Roll Eyes

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Reply #232 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 4:24pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:54pm:

After all these years of whinging the abos have never given us an alternative for Jan 26. That's because it would give away what this is really all about. What they want is a treaty day like the Maori have ( Waitangi Day). It all leads to this . They want us to pay rent and the whinging will never end until they get it.

Well all the BLACKS, YELLOWS, GREENS AND BROWNS of the World are saying to the White Man "If you want half of the world (beyond your pissy little Europe) - you better well pay up in sooo many ways! For Australia - we'll take 'cash' thankyou. For N.America - that's sex thanks! For Oceania, Power' will be nice and don't worry about South America - we'll keep that."

If it gets to the point where the Australian people are paying rent and useless abos are getting rich out of it Australia will explode. That's when I hit the street and I won't be the only one.

Jealousy is such a curse, Hammer. Give it up, it will eat you up from inside. Indigenous Australians are not going to get "rich", no matter how you try and claim it. Tsk, tsk, now we see the real motivation behind your opposition to moving Australia Day. Roll Eyes

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Re: Up To 10,000 Invasion Day Protesters March
Reply #233 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 4:36pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:10pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:57pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:54pm:

After all these years of whinging the abos have never given us an alternative for Jan 26. That's because it would give away what this is really all about. What they want is a treaty day like the Maori have ( Waitangi Day). It all leads to this . They want us to pay rent and the whinging will never end until they get it.

We spent $33 billion last year on rent to 500,000 people.

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-50...

Verdict

Warren Mundine’s statement uses the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of government spending on Indigenous Australians – about $30.3 billion, according to the Productivity Commission.

However, only a small proportion of the overall Indigenous expenditure is on Indigenous-specific programs. The rest comprises the cost of providing mainstream services, such as schooling and health care, that all Australians enjoy.

His figure of 500,000 Indigenous Australians is a bit low, likely reflecting reasonably common uncertainty on this question (as well as him being on the spot on a fast-paced, live TV program).

The general point about needing “to find out where the wastage of our funding is” is important, and requires careful evaluation of the impact and cost-effectiveness of Indigenous-specific and other social programs.

So directly and indirectly $60,600 is spent every year on roughly every aboriginal person while $20,900 is spent annually (directly and indirectly) on everybody else???

Please don;t tell me i need to explain it to you?

Read it again. Slowly.

3.3 billion divided by 500,000 is $60,000+ for each person. Now even with essential services thrown in it's way over the $20,000 with essential services for everybody else. Prison incarceration, health services, maintaining remote communities, welfare etc all high amongst aboriginal people. I can see why they cost so much. When are they going to PAY IT BACCCKKKK! da da da.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Innumerate are we, Hammer as well as illogical?

You've missed out that 1 billion is 1,000,000,000,000, not the American "billion" which is 1,000,000,000.

1,000,000,000,000 x 3.3 = 3,300,000,000,000

3,300,000,000,000 / 500,000 = 6,600,000

Not "$60,00" as you claimed. You are out by a factor of 10. Roll Eyes

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Reply #234 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 5:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 4:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:10pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:57pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:54pm:

After all these years of whinging the abos have never given us an alternative for Jan 26. That's because it would give away what this is really all about. What they want is a treaty day like the Maori have ( Waitangi Day). It all leads to this . They want us to pay rent and the whinging will never end until they get it.

We spent $33 billion last year on rent to 500,000 people.

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-50...

Verdict

Warren Mundine’s statement uses the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of government spending on Indigenous Australians – about $30.3 billion, according to the Productivity Commission.

However, only a small proportion of the overall Indigenous expenditure is on Indigenous-specific programs. The rest comprises the cost of providing mainstream services, such as schooling and health care, that all Australians enjoy.

His figure of 500,000 Indigenous Australians is a bit low, likely reflecting reasonably common uncertainty on this question (as well as him being on the spot on a fast-paced, live TV program).

The general point about needing “to find out where the wastage of our funding is” is important, and requires careful evaluation of the impact and cost-effectiveness of Indigenous-specific and other social programs.

So directly and indirectly $60,600 is spent every year on roughly every aboriginal person while $20,900 is spent annually (directly and indirectly) on everybody else???

Please don;t tell me i need to explain it to you?

Read it again. Slowly.

3.3 billion divided by 500,000 is $60,000+ for each person. Now even with essential services thrown in it's way over the $20,000 with essential services for everybody else. Prison incarceration, health services, maintaining remote communities, welfare etc all high amongst aboriginal people. I can see why they cost so much. When are they going to PAY IT BACCCKKKK! da da da.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Innumerate are we, Hammer as well as illogical?

You've missed out that 1 billion is 1,000,000,000,000, not the American "billion" which is 1,000,000,000.

1,000,000,000,000 x 3.3 = 3,300,000,000,000

3,300,000,000,000 / 500,000 = 6,600,000

Not "$60,00" as you claimed. You are out by a factor of 10. Roll Eyes

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It seems that changes in the way Australia defines one billion have only occurred relatively recently (quoting Wikipedia)

As of 1999, the Australian Government’s financial department did not consider short scale to be standard, but used it occasionally. The current recommendation by the Australian Department of Finance and Administration (formerly known as AusInfo), and the legal definition, is the short scale.

According to the Metric Conversion page from the National Measurement Institute:

Common usage in Australia (AS/NZX 1376:1996 Conversion Factors, p31) is that:

million = 106 (i.e. 1 000 000)
billion = 109 (i.e. 1 000 000 000)
trillion = 1012 (i.e. 1 000 000 000 000)
quadrillion = 1015 (i.e. 1 000 000 000 000 000)
So, it seems that Australia does follow the short scale.
https://mathsclass.net/comments/million-billion-trillion

Red: Short scale Blue: Long scale Purple: Both
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales

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Reply #236 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:25pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 10:30am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 10:10am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 10:01am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:37am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:32am:

The Mabo and Wik decisions declared that for Aboriginal people to retain Native Title over their land in these remote areas they must maintain a cultural link to the land (ie: remain in these remote areas)....The Government provides very limited services and has already tried to force them off their land (Howard Government intervention into remote Aboriginal territories)....The Government wants the land and Aboriginal people will not give it up....Why should they???

Huh

So living in remote areas is not only a lifestyle choice but also a matter of need to retain their title? Very interesting.. sounds like a gu'mint move to sandwich them between one fire or another. I wasn't aware The Intervention was a move to move them off the land... but to assist them on the land.

Why can't designated and proven tribal groups or whatever retain title while living elsewhere - closer to services and such - absentee landlords of Native Title? Plenty of absentee landlords in other arenas of landholding. Macquarie Street farmers abound ...

Native title requires Aboriginal people to maintain a cultural link to the land....Apparently living on the land for over 60 000 years is not good enough to declare ownership???

Huh

I suppose the issue is 'ownership for what purpose' - apparently the idea was that native title permitted traditional activities without interference with the activities of others, a form of apartheid if you think about it. What this did not mean was FULL and unconditional ownership of the land, and you cannot put an argument of former informal ownership by simply being there implying full ownership now - that's been extinct for a very long time, and no nation on earth subscribes to such a silly idea. Are you suggesting that all groups who formerly lived in areas should be handed back the whole nation on demand? No nation on earth would remain as it is.

What are you recommending? That the government simply hand over to Aboriginals the whole country? If you offer that, you are encouraging civil war. Those days are gone - get over it and get on with it.

The Mabo and Wik decisions declared that Aboriginal people do have ownership over the land as long as they have maintained a connection to the land in question....I am not recommending anything mate I am just stating the facts that were decided by the High Court of Australia???

Roll Eyes

But that ownership isn't unlimited... it's traditional ownership, which is itself limited.... though they get to negotiate with mining companies and the like to allow earth ripping etc... but they can't just say NO... sometimes, with certain projects, I agree with them when they say NO...

The ownership appears to create communist mini-states, inevitably reinforcing the despondency it was expected to resolve.

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Reply #237 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:42pm

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:25pm:

The ownership appears to create communist mini-states, inevitably reinforcing the despondency it was expected to resolve.

It hasn't altered one iota of the real problems - the substance abuse, violence, domestic violence, rape, child abuse both physical and sexual, neglect of those in the care of adults, starvation of children, no decent clothing or shoes, no warm bedding, no or little school books and stuff, etc...

Sounds like my upbringing apart from the sexual abuse.... only my sisters copped that and I didn't know about it until years later...

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Reply #238 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:48pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:42pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:25pm:

The ownership appears to create communist mini-states, inevitably reinforcing the despondency it was expected to resolve.

It hasn't altered one iota of the real problems - the substance abuse, violence, domestic violence, rape, child abuse both physical and sexual, neglect of those in the care of adults, starvation of children, no decent clothing or shoes, no warm bedding, no or little school books and stuff, etc...

Sounds like my upbringing apart from the sexual abuse.... only my sisters copped that and I didn't know about it until years later...

It could well be reinforcing those problems.

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Reply #239 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 8:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 4:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:10pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:57pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:54pm:

After all these years of whinging the abos have never given us an alternative for Jan 26. That's because it would give away what this is really all about. What they want is a treaty day like the Maori have ( Waitangi Day). It all leads to this . They want us to pay rent and the whinging will never end until they get it.

We spent $33 billion last year on rent to 500,000 people.

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-is-30-billion-spent-every-year-on-50...

Verdict

Warren Mundine’s statement uses the most accurate and up-to-date estimate of government spending on Indigenous Australians – about $30.3 billion, according to the Productivity Commission.

However, only a small proportion of the overall Indigenous expenditure is on Indigenous-specific programs. The rest comprises the cost of providing mainstream services, such as schooling and health care, that all Australians enjoy.

His figure of 500,000 Indigenous Australians is a bit low, likely reflecting reasonably common uncertainty on this question (as well as him being on the spot on a fast-paced, live TV program).

The general point about needing “to find out where the wastage of our funding is” is important, and requires careful evaluation of the impact and cost-effectiveness of Indigenous-specific and other social programs.

So directly and indirectly $60,600 is spent every year on roughly every aboriginal person while $20,900 is spent annually (directly and indirectly) on everybody else???

Please don;t tell me i need to explain it to you?

Read it again. Slowly.

3.3 billion divided by 500,000 is $60,000+ for each person. Now even with essential services thrown in it's way over the $20,000 with essential services for everybody else. Prison incarceration, health services, maintaining remote communities, welfare etc all high amongst aboriginal people. I can see why they cost so much. When are they going to PAY IT BACCCKKKK! da da da.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Innumerate are we, Hammer as well as illogical?

You've missed out that 1 billion is 1,000,000,000,000, not the American "billion" which is 1,000,000,000.

1,000,000,000,000 x 3.3 = 3,300,000,000,000

3,300,000,000,000 / 500,000 = 6,600,000

Not "$60,00" as you claimed. You are out by a factor of 10. Roll Eyes

It's $33.3 billion dumbass. Not $3.3 billion.

wiki-

A billion in Australia is one thousand million = 1,000,000,000 = 109 Traditionally British English used "million" to mean one million million (1012), and US English to mean a thousand million. When there are differences between US and UK English, Australian English may adopt either version, or both may co-exist.

I still get $66,000 doofus.

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