moses wrote on Oct 4
th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
Our real foe is the doctrine of islam as it presently stands.
The muzzies and their loony left supporters all know this but go to unbelievable lengths to hide this fact.
Why?
Because we all know, to honestly question and purge the evil in the doctrine of islam will destroy it in a heart beat (islam allah muhammad qur'an got it all wrong, so no more islam).
So you wriggle around desperately trying to shore up islam, as you see it as an ally in the fight to destroy white Christian western democracy from within.
Time will tell, but I know that the islamic cult of child sex, rape torture and death on all non believers / apostate corrupt believers, will eventually die.
You backed the wrong horse abu.
And yet, you back the regime at the very source of Islam. Let me help you find a way to excuse your views, Moses.
It's political: the Saudis are a tribal fiefdom. They're just trying to hold power, that's all. Religion has nothing to do with it.
The Saddam excuse: the Middle East is a macho place. You have to show strength. If you don't, another tribe's going to walk all over you, it's just the way they are.
Oil: Someone has to keep the oil flowing. They have a duty to help keep the rest of the world burning. Even a blip in production sees oil prices soar. The Saudis are doing us all a favour. As Dick Cheney said, we can't play God, you have to work with what you've got. Only God decides who's ground he puts the oil under. Cheney said that before he invaded Iraq, but you get the idea.
Dollars: they have a lot of money invested in our banks, our mining and energy sectors. Take out Saudi investment and everyone takes a hit.
Lifestyle: the Saudis have luxurious tastes. They like to shop at Harrods and drive in Rolls Royces and gamble in all the best casinos. They're used to this. It would be unfair to say they shouldn't aspire to the very best. Everyone deserves a go.
The alternatives are far worse: the Saudis have played the Western powers off since Lawrence of Arabia. They know the game well. Who could replace them? The Muslim Brotherhood? Hezbollah? ISIS? It's worth copping a bit of Saudi-backed terrorism every now and then to keep them in power. In the grand scheme of things, the 3000 killed in Sept 11 was nothing. Sure they're duplicitous, sure they're backstabbers, but would you rather have a regime that's openly hostile?
They keep order: there's hardly any crime in Saudi Arabia. No one steals, no one walks out of a restaurant without paying the bill. Who's going to risk getting their hands chopped off? The odd beheading for adultery or whatever keeps people on their toes. There might be a few murders every now and then, but this is just the security forces tidying things up. You can't have dissent, you have to stay on top of things. If anything, we could borrow a few ideas from the Saudis ourselves.
The emerging democracy excuse: democracy takes time, you can't rush it. A free media, elections, voting rights, they all have to be nurtured and allowed to grow, which they inevitably will with free trade policies in place. This is FD's old argument. He gave it up when he decided Iraq could be the next South Korea thanks to foreign intervention. We don't want to do this with the Saudis, right? It wouldn't be fair.
The Brian excuse: we make no excuses for those nations and their laws. We merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but we also recognise we have no right or ability to criticise them. We are neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.
The Moses excuse: we must put our trust in our government to protect our interests. We don't have all the facts. If this means following every US foreign policy to the letter, so be it. If it means assisting them in their wars and incursions, every little bit helps. It's bi-partisan policy so it's hardly going to change, and anyway, what right do we have to question our government?
The FD excuse: look at the Taliban.
You've already used some of these, Moses, but feel free to pick and choose from these ones whenever you want to defend the Saudis. You can't say I don't try to help you out.